SafariBob
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Ibis is a big deal, even if the r8 is a much nicer body
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R6 refurbished $1300 vs new R8 $1500
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I doubt relevant people have it this black and white. Either they decide only based on size&weight or they don't care about it at all.
It is kind of a dumb way how to choose a camera.
m100
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I used to read the user manuals first.
Now that they say stuff like this, I don't know.
quote from R50 user manual on how to manually select a subject for forcus :
"Manually selecting a subject for focus
1. Check the tracking frame.
Aim the camera at the subject. An AF point (or Zone AF frame)
appears on the screen if you have set [ : AF area] to an option
other than [Whole area AF]. In this case, aim the AF point over the
subject.
A tracking frame [ ] appears over any subjects detected.
Tracking frames [ ] away from AF points are displayed in gray, except
in some cases.
Once the tracked subject is near an AF point, even if it is outside the
AF point, the tracking frame turns white (distinguishing it as an active
frame), which enables selection as the main subject."
This is abstract stuff without the camera right there to check it out.
Read the manual then go to the store to check it out and most likely know more about the camera than the sales person ?
You and I shouldn't interact on this forum. Your last sentence seems to be designed to pick a fight with me. I am not taking your bait.
???
Well if you want to see this meaning, you see it...
Focusing on the sheer content and not taking things in person might help you to avoid unnecessarry judging.
Photoclever
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When I saw that the R6 was $1300 refurbished I grabbed one immediately. It's a fantastic camera and at that price is an easy choice. I've got a full 5Ds + EF lens kit for stills and absolutely love the IQ out of the 5Ds. But the R6 gives me a backup FF camera; extreme high ISO (5Ds is actually great at high ISO, contrary to most reviews, but it only goes to 12,800); incredible IBIS which only enhances the high ISO capabilities; fast fps if I ever need it; and top notch 4k. Oh, and it opens up a range of manual lenses with focus peaking.
My only regret is getting a cheap 3rd party EF adapter. I'll be ordering the Canon ring control adapter soon. The cheap one works but I'm pretty sure it's causing freezes on power up (pull battery to fix) which don't happen with the "dumb" FD lens adapter I also got.
The 5Ds obviously has better stills IQ, but the 20mp R6 sensor punches above its weight and clearly outclasses my old 7D despite only 2mp of stated difference. It's a very competent machine and you won't regret buying one.
My only regret is getting a cheap 3rd party EF adapter. I'll be ordering the Canon ring control adapter soon. The cheap one works but I'm pretty sure it's causing freezes on power up (pull battery to fix) which don't happen with the "dumb" FD lens adapter I also got.
The 5Ds obviously has better stills IQ, but the 20mp R6 sensor punches above its weight and clearly outclasses my old 7D despite only 2mp of stated difference. It's a very competent machine and you won't regret buying one.
I have both R6 and R8 and if you are getting R6 cheaper than R8, then don't hesitate for even a moment.
The noticeable advantage I have seen R8 having over R6 is that OOC JPEGs are in general better. When I say OOC JPEGs I mean setting Picture Style to Auto and let the camera decide what it wants to do.
And also, about 200g lighter than R6. Not sure how much that matters though.
R6 even in 2023 is the better camera compared to R8.
--C
The noticeable advantage I have seen R8 having over R6 is that OOC JPEGs are in general better. When I say OOC JPEGs I mean setting Picture Style to Auto and let the camera decide what it wants to do.
And also, about 200g lighter than R6. Not sure how much that matters though.
R6 even in 2023 is the better camera compared to R8.
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Not for everyone or every context. I still have my original M and nothing beats the M+22mm in terms of being a camera you can grab and keep with you without really thinking about the fact you're carrying a camera. Casual shooting scenario.
Size/weight also become an issue for extended hikes. If I was trying to hike the PCT I would get a M6 II and 11-22 IS specifically for that hike and that would likely be it.
But for a primary camera I would choose the R6 over the R8 just for IS and mechanical shutter speed. And I'll still grab the 5Ds for stills every time unless I specifically need something the R6 has (IBIS; ultra high ISO; 12/20 fps).
I guess that supports your statement that size/weight are either everything or nothing. But I can't agree they're "dumb" criteria. When they're everything...they are everything.
Agree fully that the M-system rocks! The context here under which I wrote that statement is FF R6 vs FF R8.
mikeswim
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Thanks so much for this and all of the very thoughtful notes. I was fortunate enough to get the R6 refurb in the shipment mail for they sold out and everything just arrived today. Unfortunately I fractured my right elbow on the bicycle so it's really hard to lift the camera let alone anything. Lol.
davidwien
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I am perfectly satisfied with my R6 and see no need to replace it with a later camera.
David
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my 32.5 mpxl M6II + m32 F1.4 combo does indeed rock - Bryan at the Digital Picture says
"...EF-M 32mm f/1.4 lens performing similarly to a lens (200 mm F2 L) costing over 12 times more."
my M6II + m32 f1.4 combo weighs just 361g + 230 g = 591 g
my R8 + 28 f2.8 pancake will weigh 461 g + 120 g = 581 g
Two cameras and two lenses that weigh only 1172 g which is 85% less than 1 sigma 40 mm lens with adaptor ALONE that weighs 1260 g + 110 g = a whopping 1370 g
weight might not matter to you, but low weight matters to some of us, whether it is FF or not
sportyaccordy
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Get the R6, no brainer IMO.
Photoclever
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Glad you were able to grab one! Sorry about the elbow, that had to hurt. Once you're healed up, you will love the R6.
Apples and oranges. Hopeless attempt to "prove" something by comparing plastic lens made to be small and ligh with 2 stops faster and optically clearly superior lens made to be overally top Q. It only shows the endless desperation and startling lack of knowledge you present here in last days.
But yes, however the relevancy of Sigma 40/1.4 in this thread is zero (your usual level, again), it is truth that it is not lens suitable for weak and lazy.
let's see
- zinger after zinger -- hopeless, desperate, lacking knowledge, weak, lazy, on level zero - how many slings and arrows can you throw out in one post?
enjoy your 1.4 KG 40 mm -- I'm sure it goes everywhere with you - LOL
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My quick thoughts on this:
- I don’t think IBIS is a big deal; most RF mount lenses have 5 stops if IS anyway, and the Canon IBIS has historically not been very good
- I’m not sure what folks are referring to when it comes to a “better built body”; it is lighter yes, but beyond that I don’t notice any build quality differences.
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