Samsung S23 Ultra and Lightroom Classic AI noise Reduction?

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Does Samsung S23 Ultra DNG (RAW) files allow Lightroom Classic to turn on the use of the new AI noise Reduction?

If so, if not all lenses, which lenses will deliver Bayer Matrix RAW files?

Regards
 
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The Samsung S23 Ultra does indeed generate DNG (RAW) files that can be used in Lightroom Classic, which will enable you to use AI noise reduction. As for the lens question, the phone's camera system produces Bayer Matrix RAW files, so any lens you use with the phone should provide those files.
 
The Samsung S23 Ultra does indeed generate DNG (RAW) files that can be used in Lightroom Classic, which will enable you to use AI noise reduction. As for the lens question, the phone's camera system produces Bayer Matrix RAW files, so any lens you use with the phone should provide those files.
Thank you.

Do you have a link to an example? For all lenses?

DNG does not necessarily mean “Bayer Matrix” (or the Fuji version), and a decent amount of phones behave differently for some lenses.

While we’re at it:

Does ANY smartphone manufacturer, deliver phones, that support:

h264 or h265 10-bit 422 colorspace UHD in HDR format with HLG or PQ support? And again, for ALL lenses?

If so, what are the options: eg 25/30 fps at what bitrate (eg 100/150 megabit/sec or whatever)?

It’s easy to find “glowing praise on quality”, but when the files are copied from the phone, they’re typically in the 45-75 megabit/second range, and only 420 color space, and in some cases not for all lenses. At best, just opinion.

I’m not interested in opinions like “nobody needs 420 or 150 megabit/sec or other such nonsens”. I’m interested in actual, day to day performance, that is actually delivered, whether Company X or Arri-fan Y thinks otherwise,

I need that. Let me be the judge og my needs. OK? 😇

Regards
 
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As you noted, the availability of DNG files doesn't necessarily mean they are Bayer Matrix, and some phones do behave differently for some lenses. This might require some further research or actual hands-on testing.

As for the video capabilities you're interested in (h264 or h265 10-bit 422 colorspace UHD in HDR format with HLG or PQ support), I looked into the iPhone 13 Pro as an example of high-performance smartphone video capabilities. The iPhone 13 Pro can record video up to 4K in 60 FPS, but specific bitrate information wasn't available. The front camera is considered average compared to other smartphones, but the rear cameras are highly praised for their performance. The iPhone 13 Pro includes three 12 MP cameras (telephoto, wide, and ultra-wide) and a TOF 3D LiDAR depth scanner. However, I couldn't verify whether these video capabilities apply to all lenses.

Regarding video bitrates, it's important to remember that this can vary depending on the specific settings you use to record video on your phone, including resolution, frame rate, and whether you're using a high-efficiency recording mode.

It's clear you're looking for high-level performance, and I respect your desire for specifics! I recommend reaching out to the manufacturers directly or consulting with professionals who have hands-on experience with these devices. They could provide more in-depth information about their capabilities.
 
As you noted, the availability of DNG files doesn't necessarily mean they are Bayer Matrix, and some phones do behave differently for some lenses. This might require some further research or actual hands-on testing.

As for the video capabilities you're interested in (h264 or h265 10-bit 422 colorspace UHD in HDR format with HLG or PQ support), I looked into the iPhone 13 Pro as an example of high-performance smartphone video capabilities. The iPhone 13 Pro can record video up to 4K in 60 FPS, but specific bitrate information wasn't available. The front camera is considered average compared to other smartphones, but the rear cameras are highly praised for their performance. The iPhone 13 Pro includes three 12 MP cameras (telephoto, wide, and ultra-wide) and a TOF 3D LiDAR depth scanner. However, I couldn't verify whether these video capabilities apply to all lenses.
Agree: The iPhone is fairly detailed specified (and the various ProRES formats like the 10-bit 422 also; I usually work with 12-bit 5.9k ProRES RAW, but I can “go slumming” at 422 ;-).

Forgot to state, that I do NOT use nor care about the “selfie camera” (the world is ugly enough, no need to add to that).

Apple clearly states, that at 1080p, the requirements are 1.7GByte/min (~227 megabit/sec) and at 2160p around 4GByte/min (~533 megabit/sec), which is par for the course - and typically five to ten times the information of what a really good to a typical Android delivers - lo and behold! It’s like comparing a Camaro to the Trabant level of your typical Android. Both - ahem - cars will get you there, but…!

I was primarily interested in Android specs; a Youtuber stating “awesome” and manufacturer stating practically nothing is hardly enough for deciding anything based on facts ;-)
Regarding video bitrates, it's important to remember that this can vary depending on the specific settings you use to record video on your phone, including resolution, frame rate, and whether you're using a high-efficiency recording mode.
I know, but that is NOT the main problem for a phone delivering somewhat recognizable 2160p 45 megabit/sec crud at 10 or 8 bit, Rec 709 or worse with PAL stated, but 30 fps delivered etc, no chance of 25 fps (Apple has the PAL option). Samsung does TV’s, and still hasn’t “seen the light” (only the flickering light, when recording at 30 or 60fps at night in the roughly 90% of the World, where AC - home and street lights - are fed 50Hz AC).
It's clear you're looking for high-level performance, and I respect your desire for specifics! I recommend reaching out to the manufacturers directly or consulting with professionals who have hands-on experience with these devices. They could provide more in-depth information about their capabilities.
I have tried a few. But after receiving answers like “dunno”, “who cares”, “YouTubers loooove our smartphones” and “nobody uses 25fps” (only most of TV Industry world wide ;-), I gave up.

Since I can’t spare the time to download every and all manuals (that mostly tell you nothing anyway), I had a hope, that someone could state, what their smartphones did in real life (as eg shown by the MediaInfo program/App).

Only Apple seem to know, what they’re actually revording, and they do not even manufacture TV’s or (video)cameras for hobby or pro use anyway. Weird, “innit”.

Thank you for your effort.

I’m still interested in clear and usable specs of real life performance and capabilities for new Androids (I have iPhone and a Samsung a few years old), but still… only Apple exceeds the tech knowledge of your typical YouTuber: “Awesome”, what it typically is not in real life for most Android smartphones ;-)

Regards and thank you for trying.
 
As you noted, the availability of DNG files doesn't necessarily mean they are Bayer Matrix, and some phones do behave differently for some lenses. This might require some further research or actual hands-on testing. [cut..]
I've downloaded a few samle DNG (RAW) files (they're not really abundant "out there"), and I get this result:



Lightroom, version 12.3. DxO Pure RAW noise reduction also complains about the DNG content.
Lightroom, version 12.3. DxO Pure RAW noise reduction also complains about the DNG content.

Not quite, what I expected, but... unusable in Lightroom, when push comes to shove, and noise reduction needs to be used.
That solved that problem.

Regards
 
As you noted, the availability of DNG files doesn't necessarily mean they are Bayer Matrix, and some phones do behave differently for some lenses. This might require some further research or actual hands-on testing.

As for the video capabilities you're interested in (h264 or h265 10-bit 422 colorspace UHD in HDR format with HLG or PQ support), I looked into the iPhone 13 Pro as an example of high-performance smartphone video capabilities. The iPhone 13 Pro can record video up to 4K in 60 FPS, but specific bitrate information wasn't available. The front camera is considered average compared to other smartphones, but the rear cameras are highly praised for their performance. The iPhone 13 Pro includes three 12 MP cameras (telephoto, wide, and ultra-wide) and a TOF 3D LiDAR depth scanner. However, I couldn't verify whether these video capabilities apply to all lenses.
Agree: The iPhone is fairly detailed specified (and the various ProRES formats like the 10-bit 422 also; I usually work with 12-bit 5.9k ProRES RAW, but I can “go slumming” at 422 ;-).

Forgot to state, that I do NOT use nor care about the “selfie camera” (the world is ugly enough, no need to add to that).

Apple clearly states, that at 1080p, the requirements are 1.7GByte/min (~227 megabit/sec) and at 2160p around 4GByte/min (~533 megabit/sec), which is par for the course - and typically five to ten times the information of what a really good to a typical Android delivers - lo and behold! It’s like comparing a Camaro to the Trabant level of your typical Android. Both - ahem - cars will get you there, but…!

I was primarily interested in Android specs; a Youtuber stating “awesome” and manufacturer stating practically nothing is hardly enough for deciding anything based on facts ;-)
Regarding video bitrates, it's important to remember that this can vary depending on the specific settings you use to record video on your phone, including resolution, frame rate, and whether you're using a high-efficiency recording mode.
I know, but that is NOT the main problem for a phone delivering somewhat recognizable 2160p 45 megabit/sec crud at 10 or 8 bit, Rec 709 or worse with PAL stated, but 30 fps delivered etc, no chance of 25 fps (Apple has the PAL option). Samsung does TV’s, and still hasn’t “seen the light” (only the flickering light, when recording at 30 or 60fps at night in the roughly 90% of the World, where AC - home and street lights - are fed 50Hz AC).
It's clear you're looking for high-level performance, and I respect your desire for specifics! I recommend reaching out to the manufacturers directly or consulting with professionals who have hands-on experience with these devices. They could provide more in-depth information about their capabilities.
I have tried a few. But after receiving answers like “dunno”, “who cares”, “YouTubers loooove our smartphones” and “nobody uses 25fps” (only most of TV Industry world wide ;-), I gave up.

Since I can’t spare the time to download every and all manuals (that mostly tell you nothing anyway), I had a hope, that someone could state, what their smartphones did in real life (as eg shown by the MediaInfo program/App).

Only Apple seem to know, what they’re actually revording, and they do not even manufacture TV’s or (video)cameras for hobby or pro use anyway. Weird, “innit”.

Thank you for your effort.

I’m still interested in clear and usable specs of real life performance and capabilities for new Androids (I have iPhone and a Samsung a few years old), but still… only Apple exceeds the tech knowledge of your typical YouTuber: “Awesome”, what it typically is not in real life for most Android smartphones ;-)

Regards and thank you for trying.
Does this help?

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_ga...p#:~:text=264 or h.,extra 6 frames per second.

 
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As you noted, the availability of DNG files doesn't necessarily mean they are Bayer Matrix, and some phones do behave differently for some lenses. This might require some further research or actual hands-on testing.

As for the video capabilities you're interested in (h264 or h265 10-bit 422 colorspace UHD in HDR format with HLG or PQ support), I looked into the iPhone 13 Pro as an example of high-performance smartphone video capabilities. The iPhone 13 Pro can record video up to 4K in 60 FPS, but specific bitrate information wasn't available. The front camera is considered average compared to other smartphones, but the rear cameras are highly praised for their performance. The iPhone 13 Pro includes three 12 MP cameras (telephoto, wide, and ultra-wide) and a TOF 3D LiDAR depth scanner. However, I couldn't verify whether these video capabilities apply to all lenses.
Agree: The iPhone is fairly detailed specified (and the various ProRES formats like the 10-bit 422 also; I usually work with 12-bit 5.9k ProRES RAW, but I can “go slumming” at 422 ;-).

Forgot to state, that I do NOT use nor care about the “selfie camera” (the world is ugly enough, no need to add to that).

Apple clearly states, that at 1080p, the requirements are 1.7GByte/min (~227 megabit/sec) and at 2160p around 4GByte/min (~533 megabit/sec), which is par for the course - and typically five to ten times the information of what a really good to a typical Android delivers - lo and behold! It’s like comparing a Camaro to the Trabant level of your typical Android. Both - ahem - cars will get you there, but…!

I was primarily interested in Android specs; a Youtuber stating “awesome” and manufacturer stating practically nothing is hardly enough for deciding anything based on facts ;-)
Regarding video bitrates, it's important to remember that this can vary depending on the specific settings you use to record video on your phone, including resolution, frame rate, and whether you're using a high-efficiency recording mode.
I know, but that is NOT the main problem for a phone delivering somewhat recognizable 2160p 45 megabit/sec crud at 10 or 8 bit, Rec 709 or worse with PAL stated, but 30 fps delivered etc, no chance of 25 fps (Apple has the PAL option). Samsung does TV’s, and still hasn’t “seen the light” (only the flickering light, when recording at 30 or 60fps at night in the roughly 90% of the World, where AC - home and street lights - are fed 50Hz AC).
It's clear you're looking for high-level performance, and I respect your desire for specifics! I recommend reaching out to the manufacturers directly or consulting with professionals who have hands-on experience with these devices. They could provide more in-depth information about their capabilities.
I have tried a few. But after receiving answers like “dunno”, “who cares”, “YouTubers loooove our smartphones” and “nobody uses 25fps” (only most of TV Industry world wide ;-), I gave up.

Since I can’t spare the time to download every and all manuals (that mostly tell you nothing anyway), I had a hope, that someone could state, what their smartphones did in real life (as eg shown by the MediaInfo program/App).

Only Apple seem to know, what they’re actually revording, and they do not even manufacture TV’s or (video)cameras for hobby or pro use anyway. Weird, “innit”.

Thank you for your effort.

I’m still interested in clear and usable specs of real life performance and capabilities for new Androids (I have iPhone and a Samsung a few years old), but still… only Apple exceeds the tech knowledge of your typical YouTuber: “Awesome”, what it typically is not in real life for most Android smartphones ;-)

Regards and thank you for trying.
Does this help?

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_ga...p#:~:text=264 or h.,extra 6 frames per second.

https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/galaxy-s23-series/s23-ultras-pro-res-video/td-p/7027292
Thank you for trying to help!

First of all: 24, 30 (or 60) fps are no replacement for 25 (or 50) fps.

No real official and detailed specifications from Samsung on the matter.

I have download’ed lots of examples - also Samsung samples - but was not the slightest impressed. This must be a farce, if you look anywhere beyond purely pixels:

Default (?) for 8k video on Samsung S23 Ultra. Wow? NOT!
Default (?) for 8k video on Samsung S23 Ultra. Wow? NOT!

If people are satisfied with that, no problem for me. As long as they are happy!

But, really, this is below par. Maybe better settings are available, but Samsung certainly understand to keep them under wraps (even the old KGB seems less secretive in comparison).

I’m not parting with money, comparable to a very good lens for my Lumix S5 on the basis of hearsay, rumours and a few user comments somewhere, when Samsung can’t be bothered to disclose, what is actually possible NOW! Fluffy marketing speak won’tndo ;-)

This is NOT an attempt to criticise, you. You tried to help, and I am really grateful for that. You helped me deciding, that the S23 Ultra is not the way forward. That’s also helping!

Regards
 
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If you use Open Camera it allows the bit rate to be selected. Here is is at 200Mb/s but I don't know what the input rate is.
As you noted, the availability of DNG files doesn't necessarily mean they are Bayer Matrix, and some phones do behave differently for some lenses. This might require some further research or actual hands-on testing.

As for the video capabilities you're interested in (h264 or h265 10-bit 422 colorspace UHD in HDR format with HLG or PQ support), I looked into the iPhone 13 Pro as an example of high-performance smartphone video capabilities. The iPhone 13 Pro can record video up to 4K in 60 FPS, but specific bitrate information wasn't available. The front camera is considered average compared to other smartphones, but the rear cameras are highly praised for their performance. The iPhone 13 Pro includes three 12 MP cameras (telephoto, wide, and ultra-wide) and a TOF 3D LiDAR depth scanner. However, I couldn't verify whether these video capabilities apply to all lenses.
Agree: The iPhone is fairly detailed specified (and the various ProRES formats like the 10-bit 422 also; I usually work with 12-bit 5.9k ProRES RAW, but I can “go slumming” at 422 ;-).

Forgot to state, that I do NOT use nor care about the “selfie camera” (the world is ugly enough, no need to add to that).

Apple clearly states, that at 1080p, the requirements are 1.7GByte/min (~227 megabit/sec) and at 2160p around 4GByte/min (~533 megabit/sec), which is par for the course - and typically five to ten times the information of what a really good to a typical Android delivers - lo and behold! It’s like comparing a Camaro to the Trabant level of your typical Android. Both - ahem - cars will get you there, but…!

I was primarily interested in Android specs; a Youtuber stating “awesome” and manufacturer stating practically nothing is hardly enough for deciding anything based on facts ;-)
Regarding video bitrates, it's important to remember that this can vary depending on the specific settings you use to record video on your phone, including resolution, frame rate, and whether you're using a high-efficiency recording mode.
I know, but that is NOT the main problem for a phone delivering somewhat recognizable 2160p 45 megabit/sec crud at 10 or 8 bit, Rec 709 or worse with PAL stated, but 30 fps delivered etc, no chance of 25 fps (Apple has the PAL option). Samsung does TV’s, and still hasn’t “seen the light” (only the flickering light, when recording at 30 or 60fps at night in the roughly 90% of the World, where AC - home and street lights - are fed 50Hz AC).
It's clear you're looking for high-level performance, and I respect your desire for specifics! I recommend reaching out to the manufacturers directly or consulting with professionals who have hands-on experience with these devices. They could provide more in-depth information about their capabilities.
I have tried a few. But after receiving answers like “dunno”, “who cares”, “YouTubers loooove our smartphones” and “nobody uses 25fps” (only most of TV Industry world wide ;-), I gave up.

Since I can’t spare the time to download every and all manuals (that mostly tell you nothing anyway), I had a hope, that someone could state, what their smartphones did in real life (as eg shown by the MediaInfo program/App).

Only Apple seem to know, what they’re actually revording, and they do not even manufacture TV’s or (video)cameras for hobby or pro use anyway. Weird, “innit”.

Thank you for your effort.

I’m still interested in clear and usable specs of real life performance and capabilities for new Androids (I have iPhone and a Samsung a few years old), but still… only Apple exceeds the tech knowledge of your typical YouTuber: “Awesome”, what it typically is not in real life for most Android smartphones ;-)

Regards and thank you for trying.
Does this help?

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_ga...p#:~:text=264 or h.,extra 6 frames per second.

https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/galaxy-s23-series/s23-ultras-pro-res-video/td-p/7027292
Thank you for trying to help!

First of all: 24, 30 (or 60) fps are no replacement for 25 (or 50) fps.

No real official and detailed specifications from Samsung on the matter.

I have download’ed lots of examples - also Samsung samples - but was not the slightest impressed. This must be a farce, if you look anywhere beyond purely pixels:

Default (?) for 8k video on Samsung S23 Ultra. Wow? NOT!
Default (?) for 8k video on Samsung S23 Ultra. Wow? NOT!

If people are satisfied with that, no problem for me. As long as they are happy!

But, really, this is below par. Maybe better settings are available, but Samsung certainly understand to keep them under wraps (even the old KGB seems less secretive in comparison).

I’m not parting with money, comparable to a very good lens for my Lumix S5 on the basis of hearsay, rumours and a few user comments somewhere, when Samsung can’t be bothered to disclose, what is actually possible NOW! Fluffy marketing speak won’tndo ;-)

This is NOT an attempt to criticise, you. You tried to help, and I am really grateful for that. You helped me deciding, that the S23 Ultra is not the way forward. That’s also helping!

Regards
 

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If you use Open Camera it allows the bit rate to be selected. Here is is at 200Mb/s but I don't know what the input rate is.
All fine and good but still not telling the story.maaand… why on Earth accept the inherent problems involved with non-standard frame rates 28.667 fps (average or not)?

Start the FREE app/applikation, and show the actual format of the saved file. Anything else is belief, in other words religion!

Not knowing or wanting to know, seems to be the most prominent feature of Android (and most iPhone) users, but gets us nowhere fast.

Let’s get the facts. Pretty or ugly; still facts.

Why should it be an odyssee akin to getting a politician to admit proven wrongdoings ;-)

FACTS. Pelease!!

Regards and a Big smile.
 
If you use Open Camera it allows the bit rate to be selected. Here is is at 200Mb/s but I don't know what the input rate is.
All fine and good but still not telling the story.maaand… why on Earth accept the inherent problems involved with non-standard frame rates 28.667 fps (average or not)?
The frame rate is what VLC is showing live at the point in time of the screen shot.

What information is missing?
Start the FREE app/applikation, and show the actual format of the saved file. Anything else is belief, in other words religion!
I've shown you data from a saved file, one saved for your benefit.
Not knowing or wanting to know, seems to be the most prominent feature of Android (and most iPhone) users, but gets us nowhere fast.
That sounds like an unprovable opinion.
Let’s get the facts. Pretty or ugly; still facts.
I've given some facts.
Why should it be an odyssee akin to getting a politician to admit proven wrongdoings ;-)

FACTS. Pelease!!
Well I have given you some facts. What facts do you wish for?
Regards and a Big smile.
 
It’s the complete picture, that’s missing.

Like in the entry, you were quoting.

There is a free app(lication) called “mediainfo”, that displays the tech info on any given video file (in virtually any historic or modern media format). The whole story. Not tid-bits of little data-snippets.

You’re perfectly forgiven for not knowing, but that doesn’t alter facts.

You try, and that’s very honorable; I really respect that, highly, to boot!

In the end, only real facts based on real content counts.

Video is not simple, when you have to match several sources of material. Without “tools” like “mediainfo” it quickly becomes a really complicated and nasty business of hit and miss and looots of wasted hours.

When looking at the “complete picture”, it’s relatively easy to decide, if a specific file is even worth the efforts of including it in a bigger whole, like a YouTube video or something, that may be targeted for stricter platforms.

If your videos are only (or mostly only) displayed on or from your smartphone, things are simple. What you see, is what you get. That is not necessarily true, when moving to other platforms, UNLESS you can adjust “conversion requirements” reasonably well and - especially - easily successfull, making it an interesting endeavour.

The file example from a Samsung S23 Ultra as displayed by “MediaInfo” was not impressive. Middle of the road low quality (only redeeming factor 8k, mostly marketing fluff). That may be “good enough” for most people’s private use, and if that makes them happy, I’m all for it. For their use, but not for mine.

Unless I had no alternative, and the content was unique and important, I wouldn’t even begin to use the quality from the S23 Ultra 8k video as part in anything serious for MY use (and I’m only into video as a hobby). At least not the quality displayed in the samples, I got hold of.

I have all the tools needed, several licensed pro tools for any modern platform (Mac, Windows even Linux), but it would either be hard work, or dubious quality easily recognized, if the rest of the media is good (technical) quality. As in: everyone can spot the difference, without knowing what is wrong, they can see “something isn’t right”..

Again; without the full picture - as easily displayed by MediaInfo - it’s like buying good quality booze on the basis, that it’s fluid and looks right.

When you wake up in hospital a few days later, you know it was poisonous. If you never came to, your problems were “dissolved” forever. But surely, it wasn’t genuine good quality single malt from India (they produce amazingly good quality versions) or Scotland.

Regards, a big smile, and thank you for your efforts.
 
It’s the complete picture, that’s missing.

Like in the entry, you were quoting.

There is a free app(lication) called “mediainfo”, that displays the tech info on any given video file (in virtually any historic or modern media format). The whole story. Not tid-bits of little data-snippets.
It's called Open Camera, and it doesn't do what you say and I don't know what mediainfo is. So I didn't say any of that.

Open Camera allows you to manual control the recorded bitrate. I chose 200Mb/s.

VLC is what is used to show the image and I said that also.

What more do you want to know? You have the recording app and the player app. And examples.
You’re perfectly forgiven for not knowing, but that doesn’t alter facts.
Im not sure it is me that doesn't know.
You try, and that’s very honorable; I really respect that, highly, to boot!

In the end, only real facts based on real content counts.
It is real content. I already said I recorded it for you.

So a real recording app, real data recorded for you, and a real player with an example.
Video is not simple, when you have to match several sources of material. Without “tools” like “mediainfo” it quickly becomes a really complicated and nasty business of hit and miss and looots of wasted hours.
This is one source so simple

When looking at the “complete picture”, it’s relatively easy to decide, if a specific file is even worth the efforts of including it in a bigger whole, like a YouTube video or something, that may be targeted for stricter platforms.
You have the complete picture - with this information. It was taken with an S21 Ultra via the main camera.
If your videos are only (or mostly only) displayed on or from your smartphone, things are simple. What you see, is what you get. That is not necessarily true, when moving to other platforms, UNLESS you can adjust “conversion requirements” reasonably well and - especially - easily successfull, making it an interesting endeavour.

The file example from a Samsung S23 Ultra as displayed by “MediaInfo” was not impressive. Middle of the road low quality (only redeeming factor 8k, mostly marketing fluff). That may be “good enough” for most people’s private use, and if that makes them happy, I’m all for it. For their use, but not for mine.
I rarely use 8k from my Samsung but sometimes I do as a backup to my SLRs. In post they get cropped and specific sequences turned into still images. It's pretty good, not as good as the R5 in 8K but one would expect it to be.

4k60 looks good also.
Unless I had no alternative, and the content was unique and important, I wouldn’t even begin to use the quality from the S23 Ultra 8k video as part in anything serious for MY use (and I’m only into video as a hobby). At least not the quality displayed in the samples, I got hold of.
You haven't said what you use is it and maybe do not know that different video streams are available outside of the native app and didn't recognise VLC player.
I have all the tools needed, several licensed pro tools for any modern platform (Mac, Windows even Linux), but it would either be hard work, or dubious quality easily recognized, if the rest of the media is good (technical) quality. As in: everyone can spot the difference, without knowing what is wrong, they can see “something isn’t right”.
Again; without the full picture - as easily displayed by MediaInfo - it’s like buying good quality booze on the basis, that it’s fluid and looks right.
You have the full picture.
When you wake up in hospital a few days later, you know it was poisonous. If you never came to, your problems were “dissolved” forever. But surely, it wasn’t genuine good quality single malt from India (they produce amazingly good quality versions) or Scotland.
This sounds irrelevant
Regards, a big smile, and thank you for your efforts.
 
There is an App (a tool) called “medianfo”. It’s free, exists on all platforms, and tells the whole story for any given video file.

Use it, and you have all info at hand.

I’ve decided, that I’m not buying any new Android smartphone (I have several, also iPhones) for camera use, when it’s so difficult to get solid info, that the manufacturer could have stated in the first place (anyone can use MediaInfo). And if buil-in camera has no importance, price suddenly drops enourmously ;-)

Discovering that something isn’t up to snuff (for your personal use) after letting go of a significant amount of “mula” isn’t good enough.

I’m very impressed by you effort to help, but…

Regards and a big thankyou
 
There is an App (a tool) called “medianfo”. It’s free, exists on all platforms, and tells the whole story for any given video file.
Okay that's wonderful but that's not what I showed you.
Use it, and you have all info at hand.
I don't need it
I’ve decided, that I’m not buying any new Android smartphone (I have several, also iPhones) for camera use, when it’s so difficult to get solid info
You said above you have gives you the whole story.

Plus I've given you a whole story

Wat don't you have.
, that the manufacturer could have stated in the first place (anyone can use MediaInfo). And if buil-in camera has no importance, price suddenly drops enourmously ;-)

Discovering that something isn’t up to snuff (for your personal use) after letting go of a significant amount of “mula” isn’t good enough.
What about the phones (any brand) isn't good enough, what do your require?
I’m very impressed by you effort to help, but…

Regards and a big thankyou
 
This (from MediaInfo App) is the full story on one particular S23 Ultra 8k file, how it is recorded, vital color and quality informations and standards employed during creation::



 Most values in the right column are central for obtainable quality, when combined with other video, to be delivered in any required target format.
Most values in the right column are central for obtainable quality, when combined with other video, to be delivered in any required target format.

Just to show you an example (right column contains the important details - here in danish. You select your preference).

Just to complete our conversation.

I have made a firm decision on replacing my existing Samsung flagship Android smartphone. No new Android will be purchased, since important info's are at best scattered and scarce. Apples ProRES 422 format is - in contrast - clearly defined, so no doubts about formats and other details. Phone lens and sensor quality limits real life delivery quality as for any smartphone, but delivery format is no guesswork.

This will b e my last mail on this. Thank you for your assistance in making the decision.

Regards
 

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