Where is Fuji headed?

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Seems like this speculation is just bringing you anxiety and robbing you of the enjoyment of your gear. I understand being frustrated with some aspects of your gear but the way you're addressing said frustrations doesn't seem to be helping......
Why do you think it brings anxiety? Why do you think that I am frustrated with my gear?

I love taking the cameras out with the lenses I have. Yes, I would really like Fuji to address the AF-S issue. But it is funny that you think talking about future developments (specualting), or pointing out issues is robbing me (or others) of the fun to use my gear. In fact,

It sometimes seems to me just the other way round: Me talking about the future and addressing issues is robbing you and others (who are on my igmore list) of the joy they have using their gear. I am sorry for that. But there is an easy fix: Avoid discussions about issues, or speculations about the future that are not in line with your own thinking. Problem solved.
Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't what you just described one of the major reasons for having and maintaining an ignore list? It would seem as if you're employing that exact "easy fix" you just described and disparaged.
No, Jerry, I was just replying to someone who tells me I am anxious and frustrated. That is a pretty personal attack. The question really is: Why are some people joinging the discussion if the feel it is useless? This has been a good exchange of thoughts on where Fuji is headed, until some users came in and, instead of putting forward their own view, started to get personal. Or do you think that his comment was in any way helpful for this discussion?
 
Seriously though given the market moving upwards in general I think consolidation makes sense.

I also think that the X Pro continuation is almost a given.

Even though I think the little screen is super cool when displaying the film sim and useful when flipped out for low/high shots it seems the cable design is less than optimal. A wildcard in the XP3 mix

Will Fuji catch up on af? I hope so. I’m not sure they will but for the past few weeks 90% of my Fuji shots have been with the little Voigtlander 23 1.2 MF lens so the point is moot.

Perfectly imperfect optics.
 
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Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't what you just described one of the major reasons for having and maintaining an ignore list? It would seem as if you're employing that exact "easy fix" you just described and disparaged.
I don't like ignore lists and will never use them. To me, it's a form of censorship. It's like covering your ears and shouting "la-la-la-la-la...." because you're afraid of what the person may be saying. Does everything a certain person said need to be filtered out and ignored? They never say anything useful?
I am using the "Ignore List" not to filter opinions. In fact, I am here to hear those opinions, and I value opinions that differ from mine or how else shall I learn? Yes, I like to argue with arguments that appear solid and reasonable to me. Am I always right? God, no. But trading arguments is part of why he have these forums.

What I can't stand are personal attacks. Calling my knowledge into question, questioning my motives or my mood, liking me to a High School pupil, questioning my skills as a photographer.

Someone who resorts to personal attacks is out of arguments and I put him/her on the ignore list to avoid seeing that stuff. And to advoid discussions which I may be drawn into in the heat of the moment.

I am surprised that or Co-Mod is not more active when it comes to personal attacks.
 
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Even though I think the little screen is super cool when displaying the film sim and useful when flipped out for low/high shots it seems the cable design is less than optimal.
I think the little rear screen COULD be cool if it had configurable options of what to display. Showing the film sim is of absolutely no value to me since I don't shoot jpeg. But if you made it user configurable to show something else it could be a very nice feature.

What could it show? Hard to say. I'm sure people would come up with a variety of things they would like to see. How about some message or icon about the results of the last image taken? Like "overexposed" or "red channel clipped". Or a simple "Good" message. You could display a histogram of the last image taken. You could put some camera settings there so that you could remove them from the EVF and get a less cluttered view. I'm sure others would have better ideas.
 
Even though I think the little screen is super cool when displaying the film sim and useful when flipped out for low/high shots it seems the cable design is less than optimal.
I think the little rear screen COULD be cool if it had configurable options of what to display. Showing the film sim is of absolutely no value to me since I don't shoot jpeg. But if you made it user configurable to show something else it could be a very nice feature.

What could it show? Hard to say. I'm sure people would come up with a variety of things they would like to see. How about some message or icon about the results of the last image taken? Like "overexposed" or "red channel clipped". Or a simple "Good" message. You could display a histogram of the last image taken. You could put some camera settings there so that you could remove them from the EVF and get a less cluttered view. I'm sure others would have better ideas.
My last XPro was the 2 so I’m not sure what it can actually show but if it had the same info option as the GFX100S top panel it would be rather useful. I almost always shoot RAW+jpeg these days so that little screen for me would be always on the film sim.

I get the need to know info from either glancing at the dials or in the EVF.

Confession time: never really used the OVF on my X-P or X100S.
 
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With the recent release of the Leica Q3 at a king's ransom, I would like to see Fuji introduce the X-Pro model with a full-frame sensor and options of a fixed lens version at around 24 to 27mm F2-2.8. Also a removeable lens version with an adapter to use current X lenses/or a new range of FF lenses. 45mpx. Same size body at x-pro. I feel this is the major gap and major potential which would represent real competition for Leica at less than half the price with very similar or better image quality.
 
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Even though I think the little screen is super cool when displaying the film sim and useful when flipped out for low/high shots it seems the cable design is less than optimal.
I think the little rear screen COULD be cool if it had configurable options of what to display. Showing the film sim is of absolutely no value to me since I don't shoot jpeg. But if you made it user configurable to show something else it could be a very nice feature.

What could it show? Hard to say. I'm sure people would come up with a variety of things they would like to see. How about some message or icon about the results of the last image taken? Like "overexposed" or "red channel clipped". Or a simple "Good" message. You could display a histogram of the last image taken. You could put some camera settings there so that you could remove them from the EVF and get a less cluttered view. I'm sure others would have better ideas.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't what you just described one of the major reasons for having and maintaining an ignore list? It would seem as if you're employing that exact "easy fix" you just described and disparaged.
I don't like ignore lists and will never use them. To me, it's a form of censorship. It's like covering your ears and shouting "la-la-la-la-la...." because you're afraid of what the person may be saying. Does everything a certain person said need to be filtered out and ignored? They never say anything useful?
 
Or, we could just wait and see 😎
Always an option if thinking and speculating about what the future holds is not your cup of tea.
Seems like this speculation is just bringing you anxiety and robbing you of the enjoyment of your gear. I understand being frustrated with some aspects of your gear but the way you're addressing said frustrations doesn't seem to be helping......
Why do you think it brings anxiety? Why do you think that I am frustrated with my gear?
Your opening post seems to express concern and disappointment around speculation that Fuji is heading in a direction you don't agree with.
I love taking the cameras out with the lenses I have. Yes, I would really like Fuji to address the AF-S issue. But it is funny that you think talking about future developments (specualting), or pointing out issues is robbing me (or others) of the fun to use my gear.
Talking about future developments and expressing disappointment/concern with where you think Fuji is headed aren't necessarily the same thing...
In fact,

It sometimes seems to me just the other way round: Me talking about the future and addressing issues is robbing you and others (who are on my igmore list) of the joy they have using their gear. I am sorry for that. But there is an easy fix: Avoid discussions about issues, or speculations about the future that are not in line with your own thinking. Problem solved.
I mean, you posted a thread expressing some opinions, I am discussing them. What does any of that have to do with me and my gear? I don't even shoot Fuji. I just thought this was an interesting conversation.
The X-T5 is a good camera. AF-S needs to be addressed. Same for the X100. I don't care about the X-H or X-S line. But I sure hope for that fusion of X-E and X-Pro line into something that competes with the Leica's Q-line. And that is a very happy propsect (I know, Threaded, it will never come. No need to reply).
Hopefully Fuji delivers what you want, but I think it's also reasonable and productive to understand and accept why they may not be able to. Like I spoke to before there are a lot of clear reasons why Fuji probably won't update the X-E line... I'm just trying to save you from some potential disappointment.

In any case I did not mean to offend or denigrate. Just offering opinions and perspective
 
Or, we could just wait and see 😎
Always an option if thinking and speculating about what the future holds is not your cup of tea.
Seems like this speculation is just bringing you anxiety and robbing you of the enjoyment of your gear. I understand being frustrated with some aspects of your gear but the way you're addressing said frustrations doesn't seem to be helping......
Why do you think it brings anxiety? Why do you think that I am frustrated with my gear?
Your opening post seems to express concern and disappointment around speculation that Fuji is heading in a direction you don't agree with.
I love taking the cameras out with the lenses I have. Yes, I would really like Fuji to address the AF-S issue. But it is funny that you think talking about future developments (specualting), or pointing out issues is robbing me (or others) of the fun to use my gear.
Talking about future developments and expressing disappointment/concern with where you think Fuji is headed aren't necessarily the same thing...
In fact,

It sometimes seems to me just the other way round: Me talking about the future and addressing issues is robbing you and others (who are on my igmore list) of the joy they have using their gear. I am sorry for that. But there is an easy fix: Avoid discussions about issues, or speculations about the future that are not in line with your own thinking. Problem solved.
I mean, you posted a thread expressing some opinions, I am discussing them. What does any of that have to do with me and my gear? I don't even shoot Fuji. I just thought this was an interesting conversation.
The X-T5 is a good camera. AF-S needs to be addressed. Same for the X100. I don't care about the X-H or X-S line. But I sure hope for that fusion of X-E and X-Pro line into something that competes with the Leica's Q-line. And that is a very happy propsect (I know, Threaded, it will never come. No need to reply).
Hopefully Fuji delivers what you want, but I think it's also reasonable and productive to understand and accept why they may not be able to. Like I spoke to before there are a lot of clear reasons why Fuji probably won't update the X-E line... I'm just trying to save you from some potential disappointment.

In any case I did not mean to offend or denigrate. Just offering opinions and perspective
 
Seems like the bodies are sorted pretty well right now:

X-H line: flagship for PASM controls, hybrid-focus
X-T line: flagship for traditional dials, stills-focus
X-Pro line: premium rangefinder/hybrid viewfinder, stills-focus
X-E line: compact minimalist design, stills-focus
S line: mid-range PASM controls, hybrid-focus
X100: fixed-lens premium compact

I hope that those lines that are currently discontinued will see new models when global supply chains are fully up to speed. They could have sold a lot more X-E4s if they were actually available, IMO. I also hope to see new lens releases featuring compact designs, for those of us who are with Fuji for a smaller alternative to full-frame systems.
 
With the recent release of the Leica Q3 at a king's ransom, I would like to see Fuji introduce the X-Pro model with a full-frame sensor and options of a fixed lens version at around 24 to 27mm F2-2.8. Also a removeable lens version with an adapter to use current X lenses/or a new range of FF lenses. 45mpx. Same size body at x-pro. I feel this is the major gap and major potential which would represent real competition for Leica at less than half the price with very similar or better image quality.
You'll be dreaming for a looooooooong time. Fuji isn't going FF anytime soon.
 
With the recent release of the Leica Q3 at a king's ransom, I would like to see Fuji introduce the X-Pro model with a full-frame sensor and options of a fixed lens version at around 24 to 27mm F2-2.8. Also a removeable lens version with an adapter to use current X lenses/or a new range of FF lenses. 45mpx. Same size body at x-pro. I feel this is the major gap and major potential which would represent real competition for Leica at less than half the price with very similar or better image quality.
You'll be dreaming for a looooooooong time. Fuji isn't going FF anytime soon.
Fuji made a very sound decision to go all-in with digital MF….skipping FF. They compete in the high end of the market with a category killer product that has really revolutionized the pricing of dMF equipment. So, the ‘gap’ as you say was intentional. Go ahead and head over to CanikonSony for your FF itch.
 
You don’t find knowing the amount of shots left on your card and battery life, without turning on your camera, to be good info? I really like that. Film sims and the stuff you proposed isn’t for me, but allowing the screen to show a wider variety of info is a good idea.
Of course I do. Although I really don’t need number of shots left. A 128 GB card holds more raw images than I will take in a week. I can’t remember the last time I ever looked at number of shots left. Battery info? Yeah, that is useful.

I don’t own the X-Pro3 so I’d don’t know what all the choices are for that rear screen. I was under the impression that it was rather limited. The items I listed are only suggestions. As I said, I’m sure others would have other suggestions, some better.
 
With the recent release of the Leica Q3 at a king's ransom, I would like to see Fuji introduce the X-Pro model with a full-frame sensor and options of a fixed lens version at around 24 to 27mm F2-2.8. Also a removeable lens version with an adapter to use current X lenses/or a new range of FF lenses. 45mpx. Same size body at x-pro. I feel this is the major gap and major potential which would represent real competition for Leica at less than half the price with very similar or better image quality.
As much as I would like a Fuji FF X-Pro, it just isn’t going to happen. Ever.

Do you really think Fuji would produce a new lens line for a single camera? It’s not happening.
 
With the recent release of the Leica Q3 at a king's ransom, I would like to see Fuji introduce the X-Pro model with a full-frame sensor and options of a fixed lens version at around 24 to 27mm F2-2.8. Also a removeable lens version with an adapter to use current X lenses/or a new range of FF lenses. 45mpx. Same size body at x-pro. I feel this is the major gap and major potential which would represent real competition for Leica at less than half the price with very similar or better image quality.
As much as I would like a Fuji FF X-Pro, it just isn’t going to happen. Ever.

Do you really think Fuji would produce a new lens line for a single camera? It’s not happening.
They should make a MF fixed lens camera. Never mind FF - go all in and burnish their MF brand with a mega G100 40 1.7 :)
 
Even though I think the little screen is super cool when displaying the film sim and useful when flipped out for low/high shots it seems the cable design is less than optimal.
I think the little rear screen COULD be cool if it had configurable options of what to display. Showing the film sim is of absolutely no value to me since I don't shoot jpeg. But if you made it user configurable to show something else it could be a very nice feature.

What could it show? Hard to say. I'm sure people would come up with a variety of things they would like to see. How about some message or icon about the results of the last image taken? Like "overexposed" or "red channel clipped". Or a simple "Good" message. You could display a histogram of the last image taken. You could put some camera settings there so that you could remove them from the EVF and get a less cluttered view. I'm sure others would have better ideas.
The little screen is more configurable than you think - you can turn off the “box art” altogether and have it show all the normal shooting parameters as per the XH1/2 top display. That said I do think they could have done more with it. I actually prefer the film tab display (as a jpeg shooter, coupled with the use of the rear dial for changing custom settings it becomes almost like a physical dial for presets) but I wish I could also configure this screen mode slightly to show different things like battery for example.

I also think it would have been great if it showed a four segment Q menu there when needed - touches like that would have made it a lot more useful without taking away from the “no chimping” concept.
 
As much as I would like a Fuji FF X-Pro, it just isn’t going to happen. Ever.

Do you really think Fuji would produce a new lens line for a single camera? It’s not happening.
They should make a MF fixed lens camera. Never mind FF - go all in and burnish their MF brand with a mega G100 40 1.7 :)
I would buy a premium compact fixed lens MF camera in the same vein as a Q3 or X100V.
 
The XEs may also get another chance. They didn't stop selling because no-one wanted them - they stopped selling because they weren't available.
There’s a chicken and egg aspect to this that we’re simply not in a position to know. Were they not available because demand outstripped supply, or because there was limited demand and supply was cut accordingly? It’s tempting to believe it was a huge seller since it was always sold out, but they may simply have scaled back production because they knew it wasn’t going to shift in high quantities.
You may be right - it could be either.... Over in the Sony camp, a Sony A6700 APSC and A7C2 FF camera are probably the most widely tipped new cameras for 2023. The A7C2 would be same A7C body but with the 33mpx sensor and CPU of the A7iv, just as the A7C1 had the sensor and CPU of the A7iii. If they're right, that would suggest that Sony think differently from Fuji when it comes to offering smaller models.
Fuji have struggled for a few years with their entry level range. The original entry level models - the XA, XTx00 etc - all got ditched a year or two ago due to poor sales, leaving cameras like the XE4 and the XT30 as the front line. But the camera market is changing rapidly, smartphones are satisfying an increasingly large part of that market, it’s possible Fuji are only interested in cultivating their premium cameras like the XT, XH, X-Pro etc, and are happy to let the XE fall by the wayside.
I suppose my main point was that it's hard to know..... I for one definitely don't know. We'll

be wiser in a year's time, eh?

Cheers, Rod
I think it would be extremely short sighted of fuji not to have a small ILC in their line up. Afterall, a big driver for APS-C over full frame is size. (not considering the XS as small). I think they will keep at least one of the XE line or the X-Txx line. Personally i'd prefer them to keep the XE line.

I currently use the X-T5 and XE4. I love having one big camera and one small one for when i need it (that takes the same lenses).
Hi,

Yup..... That's exactly what I was looking for, but the XE4's all disappeared off the shelves in the last year. Cheers, Rod
But Rod, you never put yourself on a waiting list right?
 
The XEs may also get another chance. They didn't stop selling because no-one wanted them - they stopped selling because they weren't available.
There’s a chicken and egg aspect to this that we’re simply not in a position to know. Were they not available because demand outstripped supply, or because there was limited demand and supply was cut accordingly? It’s tempting to believe it was a huge seller since it was always sold out, but they may simply have scaled back production because they knew it wasn’t going to shift in high quantities.
You may be right - it could be either.... Over in the Sony camp, a Sony A6700 APSC and A7C2 FF camera are probably the most widely tipped new cameras for 2023. The A7C2 would be same A7C body but with the 33mpx sensor and CPU of the A7iv, just as the A7C1 had the sensor and CPU of the A7iii. If they're right, that would suggest that Sony think differently from Fuji when it comes to offering smaller models.
Fuji have struggled for a few years with their entry level range. The original entry level models - the XA, XTx00 etc - all got ditched a year or two ago due to poor sales, leaving cameras like the XE4 and the XT30 as the front line. But the camera market is changing rapidly, smartphones are satisfying an increasingly large part of that market, it’s possible Fuji are only interested in cultivating their premium cameras like the XT, XH, X-Pro etc, and are happy to let the XE fall by the wayside.
I suppose my main point was that it's hard to know..... I for one definitely don't know. We'll

be wiser in a year's time, eh?

Cheers, Rod
I think it would be extremely short sighted of fuji not to have a small ILC in their line up. Afterall, a big driver for APS-C over full frame is size. (not considering the XS as small). I think they will keep at least one of the XE line or the X-Txx line. Personally i'd prefer them to keep the XE line.

I currently use the X-T5 and XE4. I love having one big camera and one small one for when i need it (that takes the same lenses).
Fuji is gonna make what they can get decent return on capital from.
Hi,

I think we all agree on that....
That means a meaningful level of units at a price that generates decent profits. If a model line got axed it probably failed one of those two requirements- most likely units as Fuji has decent pricing power. IOW they probably killed the X-E line because while there are a handful of people extremely passionate about them they aren't numerous enough to make the business case viable.
The problem with this rationale is that we've been told that so many brands and models were affected by supply side issues - the inability to get components. In that scenario, some models didn't sell because they weren't available - not because they were unpopular or unsuccessful.

We no longer know if the same component shortages apply. We won't actually know Fuji's directions until we see what they announce over the coming year or so. You could respond that 20/20 hindsight is easy - which would be true - but I doubt anyone here has an accurate insight into Fuji's intentions. And Fuji aren't saying.

Cheers, Rod
It appears there are certainly more fans of small high quality and stylish cameras again and a small movement of people moving away from phone towards cameras again. Not everyone wants a $4000 super camera and let’s face it, Sony and Canon just don’t make cool APSC cameras. I think manufacturers are taking note of that though. That said, if Fuji makes an X-E again, you can bet it won’t be $849 again… it’ll be a few hundred more. The X-E3 and X-E4 were late editions after rumors of being EOL’d too.
 

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