Hasselblad H series discontinued.

2 additional facts:
  • they never adopted the 150mp 54x40mm sensor that PhaseOne has, and now we know they never will
The most recent 54x40mm DSLR cameras were both introduced in 2018. Phase one brought out a 150 megapixel camera and Hasselblad launched the H6D-400C multi-shot version of the 100 megapixel sensor that same year, with each company targeting different markets.
‘the 400C? Talk about a niche in a niche.

in that case I will note that P1 has also released a trichromatic and a monochromatic version of their 150 backs.
There's been a huge shift in customer demand away from big expensive DSLR cameras to mirrorless models. Minuscule demand which continues to wither away is generally not a great recipe for future return on investment or success in the marketplace.

Unfortunately, Phase One has ignored that shift until now and has painted itself into a corner with very expensive products that few want to buy. Additionally, they're saddled with the expense of maintaining a factory in Japan to make them. They've also introduced the Phase One XT which consists of a camera made by Cambo and lenses from Rodenstock combined with their own shutter and digital back. But, again it's a system for which there's a very tiny market.

What isn't tiny are the enormous financial losses relative to their revenue which have been piling up year after year. It's not a role model many would want to emulate. They have for several years been looking to industrial products for survival which primarily come from what was formerly Leaf in Israel.

What the private equity company bearing the burden of these losses will do is anyone's guess.
you seem to be campaigning for P1’s demise :-)
  • it took them 3 years to catch up to Fuji for the 100mp 44x33mm sensor
Hasselblad wasn't playing a game of catch-up as their strategy. They're a small company who has been evolving and expanding an entirely new system of cameras, lenses, and accessories.
I don’t know what their strategy is, but they have certainly lost some clients in those 3 years.
Their strategy, to my eyes, appears to be offering a system with unique differences which appeal to a market segment looking for those differences. They do not appear to be looking to compete on speed to market, speed of capturing images, a features race, or any other competition based on speed.

But, that's just how I see the evolution. Others are free to form their own opinions.
indeed we can agree to disagree
Again, I pray and hope that they continue to thrive (better than they are now)... but should I win the lottery and decided to stay in the 54x40mm sensor field, at this point I would see only one option, which would be PhaseOne XF.
It's good to have options and choices. Given the pace at which DSLR cameras are disappearing, I wish you financial good fortune soon to get what you'd like to use for your photography.
And with a lot of disposable income left after getting a XF set sure, I'd give the X2D a go.
I wish you nothing but enjoyment with whatever camera you choose to use.
Thank you. My winning the lottery notwithstanding, I fear that recent history has caused an erosion of H’s already small client base, especially among pros.

as someone who has invested a lot of money in H, this makes me unhappy and sad, but I can’t see a rosy future for them. I hope I am wrong
 
I will be dusting off the 4x5 and e100 early July. Still considering a used H5 with 2 lenses but temporary back problems will keep me sidelined for a week or two.

Cheers
I've used each generation of the H series cameras with multi-shot extensively and had the opportunity to test most of the single-shot models in the studio, back in the day when my area rep came around to talk. Those were fun days.

I spent some years with the H5D-200c which, except for the multi-shot options, is the same as the H5D-50c and 50c MS models. I also tested all of the single-shot H5D CCD models. Let me know if you have any questions you would like to discuss.

Best Wishes to you
 
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove?
Nothing. There's a whispering campaign suggesting that Hasselblad may not have a viable future based on a very limited set of facts. I thought it deserved a broader point of view incorporating additional information to add to the mix.
Campaign? 4-5 people are discussing here about what’s happening with H… if this discussion is happening it’s only because there are troubling signs, not because any of us, I believe, intends to sabotage the company.
I respect your right to your viewpoint and I hope you have a great weekend.
 
2 additional facts:
  • they never adopted the 150mp 54x40mm sensor that PhaseOne has, and now we know they never will
The most recent 54x40mm DSLR cameras were both introduced in 2018. Phase one brought out a 150 megapixel camera and Hasselblad launched the H6D-400C multi-shot version of the 100 megapixel sensor that same year, with each company targeting different markets.
‘the 400C? Talk about a niche in a niche.
Very much so. For art repro and product work, it is a great tool — the best I've ever used. It is not the best camera for everyone or every application. It underscores what I've said consistently; there is no best camera, there's only the one which is best for you.
in that case I will note that P1 has also released a trichromatic and a monochromatic version of their 150 backs.
There is no IQ4 150 Trichromatic. The IQ4 100 Trichromatic was introduced in 2018 along with the IQ4 150 and IQ4 150 Achromatic. All three models were announced in 2018 at the same time.
There's been a huge shift in customer demand away from big expensive DSLR cameras to mirrorless models. Minuscule demand which continues to wither away is generally not a great recipe for future return on investment or success in the marketplace.

Unfortunately, Phase One has ignored that shift until now and has painted itself into a corner with very expensive products that few want to buy. Additionally, they're saddled with the expense of maintaining a factory in Japan to make them. They've also introduced the Phase One XT which consists of a camera made by Cambo and lenses from Rodenstock combined with their own shutter and digital back. But, again it's a system for which there's a very tiny market.

What isn't tiny are the enormous financial losses relative to their revenue which have been piling up year after year. It's not a role model many would want to emulate. They have for several years been looking to industrial products for survival which primarily come from what was formerly Leaf in Israel.

What the private equity company bearing the burden of these losses will do is anyone's guess.
you seem to be campaigning for P1’s demise :-)
When comparisons are raised between Hasselblad and Phase One, regarding their current status and past strategies, there are differences in product directions taken and the resulting consequences which make for fairly clear distinctions. If anyone finds what I've said inaccurate or has a different view, I'm happy to hear it and discuss it.

With regard to what Phase One sees as the direction for their hardware division and its camera business, I'll just quote verbatim what has become the standard language under Outlook in their annual financial reports for some years: "The demand for commercial drones/robotics are expected to drive the revenue growth going forward." The most recent new camera models from Phase One, which were not aerial/industrial cameras, were the XF IQ4 150 in 2018 and the XT in 2019.

Private equity companies, like Axcel, buy companies with the intent to increase their value and sell them within a given time frame at a profit. The announcement, made by Axcel when they acquired Phase One in 2019, stated upfront: "Today, the majority of growth and profitability comes from sales of software solutions, where the company has managed to grow by ~40% p.a. in revenue in the last four years and also expects significant growth in 2019."

Axcel and its investment partners paid $230 million to acquire Phase One. They were acquired as part of an investment fund called Axcel V comprised of investments in nine companies, four of which they exited last year.

At some point they will want to exit their investment by selling either Phase One Group ApS as a whole or its two divisions, Phase One and Capture One, separately. It was Axcel that divided Capture One from Phase One, making it a separate corporate division, shortly after completing acquisition. As I said, it's anyone's guess what Axcel will do.

I want Phase One to continue offering cameras outside of the aerial/industrial sector because I like having choices. The more unique varieties we have to choose from the better I like it.
  • it took them 3 years to catch up to Fuji for the 100mp 44x33mm sensor
Hasselblad wasn't playing a game of catch-up as their strategy. They're a small company who has been evolving and expanding an entirely new system of cameras, lenses, and accessories.
I don’t know what their strategy is, but they have certainly lost some clients in those 3 years.
...and likely gained others as well. Nothing is static.
Their strategy, to my eyes, appears to be offering a system with unique differences which appeal to a market segment looking for those differences. They do not appear to be looking to compete on speed to market, speed of capturing images, a features race, or any other competition based on speed.

But, that's just how I see the evolution. Others are free to form their own opinions.
indeed we can agree to disagree
Absolutely and I wish you health and happiness.
Again, I pray and hope that they continue to thrive (better than they are now)... but should I win the lottery and decided to stay in the 54x40mm sensor field, at this point I would see only one option, which would be PhaseOne XF.
It's good to have options and choices. Given the pace at which DSLR cameras are disappearing, I wish you financial good fortune soon to get what you'd like to use for your photography.
And with a lot of disposable income left after getting a XF set sure, I'd give the X2D a go.
I wish you nothing but enjoyment with whatever camera you choose to use.
Thank you. My winning the lottery notwithstanding, I fear that recent history has caused an erosion of H’s already small client base, especially among pros.

as someone who has invested a lot of money in H, this makes me unhappy and sad, but I can’t see a rosy future for them. I hope I am wrong
Time will tell. In the mean time, shoot with whatever brings you happiness. I would suggest to anyone with concerns as to Hasselblad's future viability, who is looking for a new system, that they buy something else to avoid the worry. Whether someone who owns H-system equipment now, and is harboring those kind of concerns, should switch to something else; only they can decide when or if to do so based on their individual needs and preferences.
 
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  • Hasselblad has been behind Fuji in the modern MF (44x33mm) for quite some time. Their on-sensor PD AF implementation on the X2D leave still a lot to be desired, while Fuji's is more advanced and reliable
WRT the last sentence, that has been my experience as well.
Well, Fujifilm has a long experience with mirrorless technology on X-system, while Hasselblad's first experience with mirrorless is the X-system.

I would guess that Fujifilm can make use of the ASICs they developed for APS-C, while Hasselblad may need to do with 'off the shelf' technology.

Best regards

Erik
 
  • Hasselblad has been behind Fuji in the modern MF (44x33mm) for quite some time. Their on-sensor PD AF implementation on the X2D leave still a lot to be desired, while Fuji's is more advanced and reliable
WRT the last sentence, that has been my experience as well.
Well, Fujifilm has a long experience with mirrorless technology on X-system, while Hasselblad's first experience with mirrorless is the X-system.

I would guess that Fujifilm can make use of the ASICs they developed for APS-C, while Hasselblad may need to do with 'off the shelf' technology.

Best regards

Erik
Individuals looking for a camera system will certainly consider that along with all of the other differences in the various and unique systems from which to choose. After considering all of our options, we each select what best fits our own priorities and preferences for our individual use.

There is no one-size-fits-all camera or lens or system and no one feature or characteristic which has the same priority for everyone. We each have our own finish line, which we view from our individual perspective, to judge any features race or other considerations we may give to selecting what we choose to use.
 
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  • Hasselblad has been behind Fuji in the modern MF (44x33mm) for quite some time. Their on-sensor PD AF implementation on the X2D leave still a lot to be desired, while Fuji's is more advanced and reliable
WRT the last sentence, that has been my experience as well.
Well, Fujifilm has a long experience with mirrorless technology on X-system, while Hasselblad's first experience with mirrorless is the X-system.

I would guess that Fujifilm can make use of the ASICs they developed for APS-C, while Hasselblad may need to do with 'off the shelf' technology.

Best regards

Erik
Individuals looking for a camera system will certainly consider that along with all of the other differences in the various and unique systems from which to choose. After considering all of our options, we each select what best fits our own priorities and preferences for our individual use.

There is no one-size-fits-all camera or lens or system and no one feature or characteristic which has the same priority for everyone. We each have our own finish line, which we view from our individual perspective,

to judge any features race or other considerations we may give to selecting what we choose to use.
The term “features race” rather overstates the pace at which Hasselblad is adding capabilities to the X2D ; ).
 
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  • Hasselblad has been behind Fuji in the modern MF (44x33mm) for quite some time. Their on-sensor PD AF implementation on the X2D leave still a lot to be desired, while Fuji's is more advanced and reliable
WRT the last sentence, that has been my experience as well.
Well, Fujifilm has a long experience with mirrorless technology on X-system, while Hasselblad's first experience with mirrorless is the X-system.

I would guess that Fujifilm can make use of the ASICs they developed for APS-C, while Hasselblad may need to do with 'off the shelf' technology.

Best regards

Erik
Individuals looking for a camera system will certainly consider that along with all of the other differences in the various and unique systems from which to choose. After considering all of our options, we each select what best fits our own priorities and preferences for our individual use.

There is no one-size-fits-all camera or lens or system and no one feature or characteristic which has the same priority for everyone. We each have our own finish line, which we view from our individual perspective,

to judge any features race or other considerations we may give to selecting what we choose to use.
The term “features race” rather overstates the pace at which Hasselblad is adding capabilities to the X2D ; ).
😁

Can we at least get back the features the X1D had before we can talk about adding capabilities to the X2D 😜.
 
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People are creating photographs with their X2D 100C which are highly satisfying. Isn't that what it's all about? Isn't that why we buy cameras and lenses?

I always bought cameras because they had what I wanted and satisfied me, not to compare features with someone else's camera model.

The X-system, and each camera model in it, offers a unique feature set not found elsewhere. Other systems also have their own unique combination of features and models. Find the one that's right for you. Others will do the same.
 
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I agree with TechTalk that Hasselblad is probably following the best route for a “general purpose, carriable” system in what I suspect is the largest viable digital format for that, 44x33: the price/bulk/IQ trade-offs seem to make any larger format like 54x40 a dead-end, not worth much new product development.

In a sense Phase One seems to agree, but is taking instead the best way forward for the larger 54x40 format, which involves a far greater R&D effort to build a range of special purpose cameras and lenses for aerial and “bench” technical photography. It doesn’t surprise or worry me that expenses exceed revenues for a few years of that transition.
 
Individuals looking for a camera system will certainly consider that along with all of the other differences in the various and unique systems from which to choose. After considering all of our options, we each select what best fits our own priorities and preferences for our individual use.

There is no one-size-fits-all camera or lens or system and no one feature or characteristic which has the same priority for everyone. We each have our own finish line, which we view from our individual perspective, to judge any features race or other considerations we may give to selecting what we choose to use.
The term “features race” rather overstates the pace at which Hasselblad is adding capabilities to the X2D ; ).
That depends on how narrow or broad your perspective of the racecourse may be and where individuals decide to draw their respective finish lines.

Photographers use their cameras for creating images, not for comparing features. Camera systems evolve over time and there is no predetermined finish line that matters, except for the one individuals cross when they've finished considering their options and open their wallets to buy whatever suits their personal needs and desires.
 
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  • Hasselblad has been behind Fuji in the modern MF (44x33mm) for quite some time. Their on-sensor PD AF implementation on the X2D leave still a lot to be desired, while Fuji's is more advanced and reliable
WRT the last sentence, that has been my experience as well.
Well, Fujifilm has a long experience with mirrorless technology on X-system, while Hasselblad's first experience with mirrorless is the X-system.

I would guess that Fujifilm can make use of the ASICs they developed for APS-C, while Hasselblad may need to do with 'off the shelf' technology.

Best regards

Erik
Individuals looking for a camera system will certainly consider that along with all of the other differences in the various and unique systems from which to choose. After considering all of our options, we each select what best fits our own priorities and preferences for our individual use.

There is no one-size-fits-all camera or lens or system and no one feature or characteristic which has the same priority for everyone. We each have our own finish line, which we view from our individual perspective, to judge any features race or other considerations we may give to selecting what we choose to use.
Hi,

My comment responds to Roby17269's and Jim's writing and I think they are proper in that context.

Back in the time when Ming Thein had a role with Hasselblad, he wrote an article discussing some related issues. He claimed in that article that Hasselblad didn't have the resources to develop an ASIC for the X-system.

Ming Thein also stated that the 50 MP CMOS sensor was developed for DSLR-type cameras, so it didn't have the features needed for fast CDAF.

With DJI in the background and with the new 102 MP CMOS sensors from Sony, things may be different.

Best regards

Erik
 
  • Hasselblad has been behind Fuji in the modern MF (44x33mm) for quite some time. Their on-sensor PD AF implementation on the X2D leave still a lot to be desired, while Fuji's is more advanced and reliable
WRT the last sentence, that has been my experience as well.
Well, Fujifilm has a long experience with mirrorless technology on X-system, while Hasselblad's first experience with mirrorless is the X-system.

I would guess that Fujifilm can make use of the ASICs they developed for APS-C, while Hasselblad may need to do with 'off the shelf' technology.

Best regards

Erik
Individuals looking for a camera system will certainly consider that along with all of the other differences in the various and unique systems from which to choose. After considering all of our options, we each select what best fits our own priorities and preferences for our individual use.

There is no one-size-fits-all camera or lens or system and no one feature or characteristic which has the same priority for everyone. We each have our own finish line, which we view from our individual perspective, to judge any features race or other considerations we may give to selecting what we choose to use.
Hi,

My comment responds to Roby17269's and Jim's writing and I think they are proper in that context.
I understand your context and I'm not suggesting your comment is improper in any respect. I was addressing the broader context, within the ongoing discussion of features, as it relates to the unique differences among camera models and the unique individuals who use them.
Best regards

Erik
I wish you well.
 
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Back in the time when Ming Thein had a role with Hasselblad, he wrote an article discussing some related issues. He claimed in that article that Hasselblad didn't have the resources to develop an ASIC for the X-system.
It's an interesting article reviewing the original X1D. That model, of course, was replaced in 2019 by the X1D II which featured a number of improvements in the electronics increasing the speed and responsiveness of some functions.

However: there’s good news. Whilst the startup time is long as the camera is booting effectively a complete operating system (no ASICs, they were too expensive at the time of development) – there’s a quick standby mode that puts the camera to sleep, locks out the buttons and switches off sensor and screens – all that’s required is a quick press of the power button. In this mode, the back status LED stays red and it can be woken up (or put back to standby) instantly with another quick press of the power or shutter buttons – much like putting your laptop to sleep by closing the lid, or turning the screen off on your phone. The result? Similar shooting patterns result in 1-1.5 batteries per day instead of 4-5, and the camera is always ready to go. Just do a full startup/shutdown when you start or end for the session.
Ming Thein also stated that the 50 MP CMOS sensor was developed for DSLR-type cameras, so it didn't have the features needed for fast CDAF.
He says that both Hasselblad and Fuji making that sensor work for mirrorless was "quite a feat".

The X1D uses the same Sony 44x33mm 50MP CMOS we know and love from previous cameras since 2014 including the H5D-50c, CFV-50c, H6D-50c, Pentax 645Z, Fuji GFX and Phase One IQ250/350 series... Important takeaway number one: this was not designed from the beginning as a mirrorless camera’s sensor. The fact that both Hasselblad and Fuji managed is quite a feat, and required several engineering workarounds.
With DJI in the background and with the new 102 MP CMOS sensors from Sony, things may be different.
The original X1D, discussed in the Ming Thein article you mentioned, launched the series in 2016. DJI's acquisition followed in 2017. Things have certainly continued evolving over time. We can only wait and see what the future delivers next. Speaking for myself, it's often delivered surprises.
 
Your argument against the H system probably applies to Phase One’s DSLR’s—maybe the “digital 645” format (54x40mm) is dead except for the special purpose (non-DSLR) products that Phase One is now focused on, for “cultural heritage”, aerial photography, view cameras and such.
Yes, my reference to Phase One was regarding their traditional digital cameras. I hope they reap much success as a company with their scanning pursuits.
 
The final fallout from the monumentally bad decision to make an enemy of PhaseOne.
Neither Phase One nor Hasselblad are responsible for optically and mechanically complex DSLR camera systems, of all types, becoming an endangered species due to lack of demand. Smaller, lighter, less expensive, and increasingly capable mirrorless cameras combined with a dramatic shift in consumer demand did that.
True enough, but the decline of the H system started well before mirrorless medium format came on the scene. A peer collaboration with PhaseOne would probably have been advantageous to both companies, with H concentrating on cameras and optics, and P1 on backs and software.
When did "the decline of the H system" start?
about 2 seconds after the Pentax 645D was announced (circa 2010); it was a beacon as to what was to come, and the erosion of pricing that no longer made business sense (e.g. H-series in this case) went downhill from there. My guess is that the same market pressures are happening today against Phase One... if Sony debuts say, a 200mp MF kit for $20k for example with a great UI, practical professional inspired features, and excellent firmware - Phase will likely move into marketplace hospice as well without serious innovation/new product(s)/price reduction... they may be knocking at the door already.

Once the 50mp CMOS trio (Pentax 645Z, Hasselblad 50c and Fuji's offering) were announced, the H-series no longer had a future and was living the rest of its days in market-place hospice from about 2014.

It's hard to get a reasonable person who can afford a H-series kit to do so, in the face of less glitchy, medium format kits that are better sealed, smaller, faster, better lenses that are cheaper, etc..

... at some point you have to ask yourself, "what practical advantages (others than leaf shutter lenses if applicable) does a $36k Hasselblad give me that an $8,000 Fuji / Hasselblad /Pentax can't also easily provide."
The 50mp CMOS trio you refer to are all 44x33 sensors. Even the 100MP X2D and GFX100 are 44x33 sensors.
Yes. I've spent time behind the various sensor sizes... from various Hasselblad models (small and large sensors), Phase One, Leaf, Hy6, etc.. with the Pentax 645Z being my "daily driver" over the years. Definitely prefer the larger sensors.
A 30MP APS-C sensor can costs substantially less than a 30MP full frame camera and people will justify having the full frame.
As it's always been, e.g. a 22mp back costing considerably more than a 31mp back in the old days. The practical utility (aside from any image quality differences) of the larger sensor is the same today as it was then though the purchase dynamic was different because MF differentiated itself more distinctly on image quality alone when compared to smaller format cameras of the day with their pesky filters over the sensor.
Similarly a 100 or 150MP 53.4x40mm sensor may be justified for some over a 44x33 sensor. Detail is the advantage.
Correct, just like paying $1,000,000 more for a turbine version of a reciprocating engine aircraft is a reasonable/expected upgrade to some operators and fiscally senseless to others.
I shoot artwork so having every bit of detail is needed and I don't need weather sealing or fast lenses and I don't care about size and bulk. I don't even need high end AF because I tether to the computer and manually focus exactly where I want via live view on a large monitor.
I prefer the larger sensors. My point wasn't individual needs - but rather market sentiment in general. The market as a whole (I'm talking about the buying demographic who can easily afford the larger sensor cameras/backs) as a general consensus, doesn't find the advantages of the larger sensor worth the asking price... especially when compared against the smaller sensor brethren. I understand from a practical standpoint the benefits (and pitfalls) of the larger sensors. I prefer larger sensors.
Unfortunately we can't pretend that Sony will ever come out with a $20k 53.5x40mm sensor camera. There isn't the market to make it profitable enough for a company like Sony.
That's the same kind of mindset many people had regarding electric car tech and "glass cockpits" in small single engine airplanes. The cost for high tech avionics is but a fraction of what it once was. The running joke used to be "You buy your avionic package, and they throw in a free airplane!" Assuming a new technology or a new market, won't ever allow for something isn't logic that I subscribe to, so I won't presuppose either way. But you would be certainly be correct if you said it wasn't likely for Sony to whip out a $20k 54x40mm slab.
They don't start new projects unless it's going to make millions in profit. It's going to be bespoke product companies that don't have investors looking for massive year-over-year profits, because if Sony diverts energy to make a new camera line that at best is going to only be slightly profitable, they probably could be using that time an energy on something far more profitable.
Phase doesn't have a choice if they want to stay in business, but that's all business 101 stuff :)
If you're shooting artwork every day, the medium format system does pay for itself in not having to reshoot objects every 2 years when someone needs a new detail that you could have cropped to or allows you to not have to tile and take as many detail shots.
The same holds true for many facets of photography such as photographing subject matter to be printed on large sheets of substrate (glass, tile, etc.)
It's a niche market but my point is just because a camera doesn't meet your needs, it doesn't mean it isn't useful to someone else.
Yes; such goes without saying. Likewise, just because you or I like a product (large sensors in this case), it is less relevant when discussing the concerted buying sentiment of the medium format buying demographic, especially the buying demographic who can readily afford, and who have mulled over a 54x40mm sensor equipped H-series or Phase One kit.
As I said I don't need fancy AF, but if I said "what the hell is the point of a 100 point autofocus system with eye tracking? The eye tracking is dumb and jumps around sometimes when I'm photographing a painting" that would be pretty stupid. I don't need it, so I don't use it... big deal... for other's it's very important.
Yes, exactly - such would be one of many parallels to people b.... about video.

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The final fallout from the monumentally bad decision to make an enemy of PhaseOne.
Neither Phase One nor Hasselblad are responsible for optically and mechanically complex DSLR camera systems, of all types, becoming an endangered species due to lack of demand. Smaller, lighter, less expensive, and increasingly capable mirrorless cameras combined with a dramatic shift in consumer demand did that.
True enough, but the decline of the H system started well before mirrorless medium format came on the scene. A peer collaboration with PhaseOne would probably have been advantageous to both companies, with H concentrating on cameras and optics, and P1 on backs and software.
When did "the decline of the H system" start?
My take would be that the decline started with:
  • The introduction of the X1D
  • Hasselblad not using the 150 MP Sony sensor used in the IQ4150
  • A general move to mirrorless. Flipping mirror was a solution to 'you see what you get' viewing in the film era. With modern CMOS and EVF, there is little need for flipping mirror.
My thinking would be that the H-system was designed around the 37x49 mm and 54x41 mm sensors and less around the 33x44 mm sensors.

With the X system designed around 33x44 mm, I would think that using the H-system with 33x44 made little sense.

It is simply a change of guards. The H-system replaced the V-system and Hasselblad went from square 56x56 mm to rectangular 54x42 mm. Now they go 33x44 mm.

Best regards

Erik
 
I don't think that Pentax played their cards really well. At 8k$US they should have dominated the market over expensive Phase One and Hasselblad systems, but I don't think they did.
Hello Erik - You're correct, Pentax mishandled the 645D/Z. A textbook example of an excellent product fielded by the wrong company.
Fujifilm and Hasselblad were more successful in getting market domination, essentially by making small medium format attractive.
Yes. Fuji did exactly what I'd expect from a company interested in the long term capitalization on their products - they offered a solid system and a solid, modern lens range. Pentax rested on its laurels, relying on older lenses and few new ones. The older lenses (even lightly revamped) could've been parlayed into a larger advantage for film and digital photographers.

Had they fielded more new lenses, + offering modern coatings on the old lens designs, Pentax would've had a strong lens selection, while at the same time slowly replacing a good number of the older lenses with modern designs that would standup to much higher resolutions (e.g. 200mp at least)

Pentax squandered the opportunity to build themselves up and well-distinguish the brand from other MF offerings.

All that is easy for me to say sitting at a desk and not knowing what monetary obstacles the company is having to deal with. I could also find fault with Nikon, Canon and about any other camera brand that I've used -- the bottom line is that overall my assessment regarding those brands (including Pentax) is that they all produced fine cameras and I've truly enjoyed the results of their labor. It's especially hard for me to find fault with Pentax's 645Z.
The Fujifilm XT4, Sony A7rV, Fujifilm GFX 100S and Phase One IQ4150 share the same basic pixel design. So, the larger format cameras essentially have more pixels.

To make best use of those pixels we may need excellent lenses and excellent focusing accuracy, combined with low shutter/mirror related vibrations.
Yes. The advantage of mirrorless shines in that regard (vibrations), though I'm typically not remotely affected by such in any meaningful practical way like others may be.
I would think that Fujifilm, Hasselblad X and Sony has optimized their systems around affordable 33x44 mm, being aware of the forthcoming 100 MP sensor, while setting pricing at level comparable to high end 24x36 mm.
The price is indeed very comparable to premium cameras that are one format smaller. I think the modern lenses fielded in the last few years, would have at the very least 100mp in their sights for longevity, though I'd hope for at least 200mp lens designs.
I would also think that Hasselblad X and Fujifilm GFX lens systems are good enough for a couple more generations of the Sony sensors, like say 150 MP and 250 MP.
I think and hope you're right as I'm hoping to see interesting development on the MF front by the time I'm ready to click the "buy" button again. I'm not too keen on less than 150mp and hope 200mp is available in the next iteration or two.
Best regards

Erik
 
I don't think that Pentax played their cards really well. At 8k$US they should have dominated the market over expensive Phase One and Hasselblad systems, but I don't think they did.
Hello Erik - You're correct, Pentax mishandled the 645D/Z. A textbook example of an excellent product fielded by the wrong company.
Fujifilm and Hasselblad were more successful in getting market domination, essentially by making small medium format attractive.
Yes. Fuji did exactly what I'd expect from a company interested in the long term capitalization on their products - they offered a solid system and a solid, modern lens range. Pentax rested on its laurels, relying on older lenses and few new ones. The older lenses (even lightly revamped) could've been parlayed into a larger advantage for film and digital photographers.

Had they fielded more new lenses, + offering modern coatings on the old lens designs, Pentax would've had a strong lens selection, while at the same time slowly replacing a good number of the older lenses with modern designs that would standup to much higher resolutions (e.g. 200mp at least)

Pentax squandered the opportunity to build themselves up and well-distinguish the brand from other MF offerings.

All that is easy for me to say sitting at a desk and not knowing what monetary obstacles the company is having to deal with. I could also find fault with Nikon, Canon and about any other camera brand that I've used -- the bottom line is that overall my assessment regarding those brands (including Pentax) is that they all produced fine cameras and I've truly enjoyed the results of their labor. It's especially hard for me to find fault with Pentax's 645Z.
The Fujifilm XT4, Sony A7rV, Fujifilm GFX 100S and Phase One IQ4150 share the same basic pixel design. So, the larger format cameras essentially have more pixels.

To make best use of those pixels we may need excellent lenses and excellent focusing accuracy, combined with low shutter/mirror related vibrations.
Yes. The advantage of mirrorless shines in that regard (vibrations), though I'm typically not remotely affected by such in any meaningful practical way like others may be.
I would think that Fujifilm, Hasselblad X and Sony has optimized their systems around affordable 33x44 mm, being aware of the forthcoming 100 MP sensor, while setting pricing at level comparable to high end 24x36 mm.
The price is indeed very comparable to premium cameras that are one format smaller. I think the modern lenses fielded in the last few years, would have at the very least 100mp in their sights for longevity, though I'd hope for at least 200mp lens designs.
I would also think that Hasselblad X and Fujifilm GFX lens systems are good enough for a couple more generations of the Sony sensors, like say 150 MP and 250 MP.
I think and hope you're right as I'm hoping to see interesting development on the MF front by the time I'm ready to click the "buy" button again. I'm not too keen on less than 150mp and hope 200mp is available in the next iteration or two.
Best regards

Erik
I agree that Pentax was eventually held back by seeking compatibility with 645 format SLR technology—both the lenses and the body with a 645-sized reflex viewfinder system; Fujifilm and Hasselblad instead went in a good direction by designing mirrorless body and lens systems from scratch, without the baggage of matching a film format (either 36x24mm or the 56x42mm of so-called 645 format).

However, there is one limitation of going beyond "100MP worth of resolution" regardless of sensor size, which I expect will limit it to special-purpose niches: no matter how many pixels a sensor has, resolution is also limited by aperture choices, and to go beyond what a 100MP sensor can record requires controlling diffraction sufficiently, which requires apertures large enough (aperture ratios low enough) that DOF is inherently very shallow. Roughly, at any give f-stop, reducing pixel pitch below about half that f-stop will not significantly improve image detail, because diffraction will be the dominant limit on resolution.

My estimate is that, improving image detail beyond what a 100MP Bayer CFA sensor gives limits one to having that much detail only over a shallow range of subject distances, corresponding to what DOF scales suggest for less than f/2 in 35mm format: that is, an in-focus range like what one sees at less than f/2 in an image from 35mm format viewed "normally". That sounds like like a limit to almost flat subjects (art repro.?), landscapes with only distant subjects needing to be in focus, aerial photography, and astrophotography.
 
However, there is one limitation of going beyond "100MP worth of resolution" regardless of sensor size, which I expect will limit it to special-purpose niches: no matter how many pixels a sensor has, resolution is also limited by aperture choices, and to go beyond what a 100MP sensor can record requires controlling diffraction sufficiently, which requires apertures large enough (aperture ratios low enough) that DOF is inherently very shallow. Roughly, at any give f-stop, reducing pixel pitch below about half that f-stop will not significantly improve image detail, because diffraction will be the dominant limit on resolution.
Aliasing is the limitation on resolution in many cases. At 100 MP on a 33x44 mm sensor, f/11 to f/16 is necessary to visually eliminate aliasing. At 400 MP on a 33x44 mm sensor, f/5.6 to f/8 would be necessary to visually eliminate aliasing.
 

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