EF L lenses on an R body

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I am a keen amateur and don't make money from my photography. It is simply a hobby that I enjoy immensely. I am looking to upgrade from my old, faithful 11-year-old 5D3 to an R body, most like the R6 2. I would like to ask about using my current EF-mount L lenses on an R body.

I have a bunch of very good EF-mount L lenses, amongst them the 16-35L, 24-70L II, 70-200L 2.8 II and 4 fixed focal L lenses which I don't tend to use so much as I prefer the convenience of the zooms.

A friend mentioned that while I can use these EF-mount L lenses on an R body with an adaptor, lens technology has advanced and I should really invest in new lenses as my existing lenses aren't really up to the task. Is this true? I had always been under the impression that decent EF-mount L lenses will work very well on an R body.

To be honest, I'd rather spend more on lenses unless it is really necessary - and I am aware that the new R lenses can be quite pricey. As a reminder, this is a hobby for me and not a profession.

I'd be interested in any thoughts on using my existing L lenses on an R body and whether it really is necessary to upgrade to a new set of lenses. I sure hope that is not the case!
 
I am a keen amateur and don't make money from my photography. It is simply a hobby that I enjoy immensely. I am looking to upgrade from my old, faithful 11-year-old 5D3 to an R body, most like the R6 2. I would like to ask about using my current EF-mount L lenses on an R body.

I have a bunch of very good EF-mount L lenses, amongst them the 16-35L, 24-70L II, 70-200L 2.8 II and 4 fixed focal L lenses which I don't tend to use so much as I prefer the convenience of the zooms.

A friend mentioned that while I can use these EF-mount L lenses on an R body with an adaptor, lens technology has advanced and I should really invest in new lenses as my existing lenses aren't really up to the task. Is this true? I had always been under the impression that decent EF-mount L lenses will work very well on an R body.

To be honest, I'd rather spend more on lenses unless it is really necessary - and I am aware that the new R lenses can be quite pricey. As a reminder, this is a hobby for me and not a profession.

I'd be interested in any thoughts on using my existing L lenses on an R body and whether it really is necessary to upgrade to a new set of lenses. I sure hope that is not the case!
Your lenses are more than up to the task, no need to change-up (won't call it upgrade) unless you decide you want to drop the need for the adaptor. If you were using older versions of the zooms then there may be more of a reason, but not with your version II's.

I did swap my 70-200 II for the RF version simply because of the weight decrease and smaller form factor but have stuck with the 24-70 (no size or weight decrease here) and I do like the ability to adapt it to other bodies, not possible with RF versions.

Some may say the addition of IS to the 24-70 is a reason but given the low light capability of the R6II and IBIS I certainly haven't felt the need. In the main IMO EF lenses get a boost when paired with an R body.
 
Calmly keep your existing lenses. They will get boost on the R6mkII since the sensor itself is sharper than the sensor of your 5DmkIII and way better AF on the R compared to 5DmkIII.

I went from 5DmkIII to R6 and I also have EF 70-200/2.8 II. I borrowed its RF version. IQ wise there is only a very small differece observable only on some pictures only on a monitor at 100%. They disappear on an A3 print. Size and weight does not bother me and I do prefer internal zooming same as a proper metal build so from my point of view the EF version is better.

RF lineup has couple of great primes unmatched in the EF lineup like 50/1.2 or 85/1.2.

But zooms which you have only offer marginal improvement for a massive price.
 
I am a keen amateur and don't make money from my photography. It is simply a hobby that I enjoy immensely. I am looking to upgrade from my old, faithful 11-year-old 5D3 to an R body, most like the R6 2. I would like to ask about using my current EF-mount L lenses on an R body.

I have a bunch of very good EF-mount L lenses, amongst them the 16-35L, 24-70L II, 70-200L 2.8 II and 4 fixed focal L lenses which I don't tend to use so much as I prefer the convenience of the zooms.

A friend mentioned that while I can use these EF-mount L lenses on an R body with an adaptor, lens technology has advanced and I should really invest in new lenses as my existing lenses aren't really up to the task. Is this true?
It depends on the lenses, but for your 24-70L II and 70-200L 2.8 II it's nonsense.

I can't comment on the 16-35mm. There's a 16mm f/2.8 RF prime, that could be interesting? For some fixed focal length lenses it might be worth it, the f/1.2 EF lenses for instance. The 135mm f/2.0 is a bit aging for IQ. The RF f/1.8 version is really expensive, however, it has fast AF and stabilization, which can be nice. The Sigma f/1.8 Art is a nice budget option still having better IQ than the Canon f/2.0.

The EF 35mm f/1.4 mkII can't be updated and is a stellar lens. The EF 85mm f/1.4 IS USM is the fastest focusing 85mm lens even on RF bodies, no need to update that one unless you really need f/1.2.
I had always been under the impression that decent EF-mount L lenses will work very well on an R body.
Generally true.
To be honest, I'd rather spend more on lenses unless it is really necessary - and I am aware that the new R lenses can be quite pricey. As a reminder, this is a hobby for me and not a profession.

I'd be interested in any thoughts on using my existing L lenses on an R body and whether it really is necessary to upgrade to a new set of lenses. I sure hope that is not the case!
I'm shooting the 24-70mm f/2.8 mkII on my R5, and I have no plans to update it. It's still a very sharp lens. IBIS works fine. AF is fast. The RF lens has smoother bokeh, but I have my primes for that anyway, so it's not worth 1500 euro more to me.
 
I think you will be surprised and pleased with any full-frame R body if you're happy with the lenses you have. They all work extremely well as EF mount bodies if you keep the adapter on the body. (Mixing RF and EF lenses is another matter of you don't like juggling adapters.) All these lenses will focus better and more consistently over practically all of the field of view, as the focus points aren't limited to the central half of the screen area. You didn't say which 16-35mm L lens you have; the only significant advantages of switching to RF mount if it's the f/4 or the f/2.8 III would be size and balance.

You will find that Canon mirrorless is very different in some ways to your DSLR and may take some learning. Some people hate that process, but I was surprised how awkward i found my 5Ds when I bought it after using an EOS R for a couple of years. My advice would be to buy the body only (unless you were tempted by the RF 24-50mm kit lens as a £$€200 travel/lightweight lens) and use it with your current lenses until you get used to it before you decide if an upgrade in necessary.
 
Agree with the replies by others. Your EF L lenses will work as

well, if not better, with the R body. Here is an example:





Burrowing owl shot with R5 and EF 100-400mm L lens
Burrowing owl shot with R5 and EF 100-400mm L lens
 
Often, adapted lenses are looked at with a bit of scepticism, because historically in most adapted scenarios, there is some compromise. Mostly, you are trying to cross a manufacturer or protocol bridge that isn't supported well or supported at all

That fortunately is not the case with EF on R. First, Canon officially supports it; and second, more importantly, it works seamlessly. The lenses work as well as on EF bodies and in many cases benefit from the improved features of R bodies (AF, IBIS, etc as applicable)

You have some great lenses. I had those too (see my current and previous gear list in profile). I did not rush to upgrade my EF lenses. Used them with satisfaction until I could upgrade them - not because they didn't work well, but because I wanted some improvement from the new RF variants. I still have the EF 24-70 ii and Sigma 135mm

I upgraded 70-200 f2.8 (size and weight), sigma 150-600 (because Canon 100-500 is such a good performer overall) and 16-35 f4 (14-35 being wider / shorter), in the same order - but I took a good 2.5 years to get there. I didn't buy my first RF lens until a good 8 months after getting my R5 and that too was something I could have waiting as long as I needed to if I didn't want to spend
 
All my ef lenses work very well with the ef-R adapter. Even the Mp-e65 macro does well. All my canon flashes work with the R7. I’m pleased with the setup because I can use both the 1DM4 and R7 with the existing gear. However, 99% of my gear is Canon.
 
I am a keen amateur and don't make money from my photography. It is simply a hobby that I enjoy immensely. I am looking to upgrade from my old, faithful 11-year-old 5D3 to an R body, most like the R6 2. I would like to ask about using my current EF-mount L lenses on an R body.

I have a bunch of very good EF-mount L lenses, amongst them the 16-35L, 24-70L II, 70-200L 2.8 II and 4 fixed focal L lenses which I don't tend to use so much as I prefer the convenience of the zooms.

A friend mentioned that while I can use these EF-mount L lenses on an R body with an adaptor, lens technology has advanced and I should really invest in new lenses as my existing lenses aren't really up to the task. Is this true? I had always been under the impression that decent EF-mount L lenses will work very well on an R body.

To be honest, I'd rather spend more on lenses unless it is really necessary - and I am aware that the new R lenses can be quite pricey. As a reminder, this is a hobby for me and not a profession.

I'd be interested in any thoughts on using my existing L lenses on an R body and whether it really is necessary to upgrade to a new set of lenses. I sure hope that is not the case!
The lens technology has not advanced so much - great lenses are still very good and usable - especially these three zooms you have.

I personally like the new RF24-105f4L - much better than my very old 24-105L was. And this is just my feeling. Could be more usable than your 24-70.

Basic advice : keep the good lenses and buy an adapter ;-)
 
And additionally to all positive what was written above about Canon EF lenses or R bodies it is worth to mention that the same applies also to Sigma EF lenses. They are well known for front/back focusing issues on Canon's DSLRs but this is gone with the R. Even with kind of extreme lenses like 40/1.4 and 105/1.4. The AF is absolutely precise and consistent.

Often they offer better value proposition than RF due to their better build quality, on par optical performance and much lower price.

So no need to be afraid of Sigma when thinking about future lenses additions.
 
I have an R5 and use similar lenses to what the op has. No issues using them and I get great results.

The only thing I would say on the negative side is the speed of focusing. The only RF lens I have is the 100 500 and paired with the R5 it is superb for anything moving. The EF glass is a bit slower in this regards.

I have had the R5 for a year now and do not intend getting rid of any EF glass which I suppose is the acid test.
 
Thanks so much to everyone for the informative responses. Really great info. I will do as recommended and hang on to all my EF lenses.
 
I am a keen amateur and don't make money from my photography. It is simply a hobby that I enjoy immensely. I am looking to upgrade from my old, faithful 11-year-old 5D3 to an R body, most like the R6 2. I would like to ask about using my current EF-mount L lenses on an R body.

I have a bunch of very good EF-mount L lenses, amongst them the 16-35L, 24-70L II, 70-200L 2.8 II and 4 fixed focal L lenses which I don't tend to use so much as I prefer the convenience of the zooms.
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EOS R6 + EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM lens.

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You have some great lenses there. I believe they'll all work just fine on a camera like the EOS R6 II body. Note that you can use an Extender with the EF 70-200L II lens but the new RF 70-200L lenses don't offer this ability. They designed the RF successor to be more compact and this no longer has room to accommodate the extrusion on the front of the RF Extenders. However, if you already have an EF 1.4x III or an EF 2x III Extender to suit your EF 70-200mmL II lens, it will work just fine. The Mark III Extenders work without restriction on the new EOS R cameras. There's also a new RF Extender set available but I don't see any improvement on image quality or AF speed over the EF Mk III models. Canon altered the design slightly but this was to suit the new flange distance on the RF mount. Your lenses appear to be mostly L-series lenses. So I'd say your results on an R-system should be excellent.
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A friend mentioned that while I can use these EF-mount L lenses on an R body with an adaptor, lens technology has advanced and I should really invest in new lenses as my existing lenses aren't really up to the task. Is this true? I had always been under the impression that decent EF-mount L lenses will work very well on an R body.
You are correct. You can indeed use ALL your EF lenses on the RF mount via an Adapter. Be sure to buy a Canon adapter. It's quite small but is 100% reliable, unlike many of the non-Canon brand adapters. But in some ways, your friend is also mostly (but not entirely) accurate. Unless you're using pre-digital Canon lenses, the performance is still going to exceed what you were getting from your DSLR camera. What he's not mentioned is that a decent EF lens that would produce exceptionally nice pictures with your old DSLR will likely perform even better on the RF mount. And if that lens now has an RF successor, the RF lens that supersedes it is generally a little better. Not every RF lens is a "gem", just as not every EF lens was "amazing". There's a few lower priced RF lenses that can underwhelm.
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Something else to consider is that with EOS R-bodies that have IBIS, you can now get stabilization for your non-I.S. EF lenses and any stabilized EF lens can benefit even further from the IBIS on the appropriate EOS R-system body. But not all Canon EOS R cameras have IBIS, just some models.
To be honest, I'd rather spend more on lenses unless it is really necessary - and I am aware that the new R lenses can be quite pricey. As a reminder, this is a hobby for me and not a profession.
Using an EF lens on an EOS R body offers a completely new experience. I routinely use EF lenses on my EOS R cameras. I've was tempted to swap out my EF 85mmL II lens for the new RF 85mmL lens and did so. But there's literally no real "need" to "upgrade" your lenses unless the lack of doing so impacts your work... or if your old lens was never a strong performer to begin with. But it is indeed nice to have at least one native lens for your R camera. Note that when using non-RF lenses, you get a warning each time you turn off the camera. This is because RF lenses close their shutter iris to protect the sensor which no longer has a mirror. An EF lens may not close as tightly when the camera is powered down, hence the reminder to cap your lens to prevent damage to the sensor if you accidentally leave your camera pointing towards the sun.
I'd be interested in any thoughts on using my existing L lenses on an R body and whether it really is necessary to upgrade to a new set of lenses. I sure hope that is not the case!
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I had an EOS 5D III for general work use and an EOS R6 for astro work. I changed to the EOS Ra (astro model) and the EOS R6. I bought a Canon EF-to-RF adapter to enable me to use my EF lenses on the EOS R mount.
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The EF lenses are actually a little faster on the EOS R-system cameras, especially those with the new advanced AF capabilities. The more efficient AF and tracking abilities on the new cameras improves the experience. But there's more... Remember how you couldn't use an Extender (1.4x or 2x) on your EF lenses with a DSLR without losing the ability to Autofocus? And if you did, the performance was slow and unreliable. That's gone now. These days you can slap on an EF 1.4x III or an EF 2x III Extender and get a decent performance. It's something a lot of people either forget or might not be aware of.
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R6 + EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM lens


R6 + EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5/6L IS II USM lens + EF 1.4x III Extender.


R6 + EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5/6L IS II USM lens + EF 1.4x III Extender.


R6 + EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM lens.

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The advantage of using a native RF lens is a better optical performance due to the new lens designs. Lenses like the old EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM lens were amazing to use on a DSLR but were routinely unreliable and needed to be calibrated on a regular basis. But on the EOS RF mount that same lens was noticeably better with performance. But adding a new RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens to the native RF mount is an entirely new experience... with a much, much faster AF, the ability to unlock an astonishing 8-Stops of IBIS stabilization without the lens having an Image Stabilizer, and significantly sharper optics without the Chromatic Aberration (due to the new BR Optics on the RF lens) that plagued the older EF lenses. If you'd asked me if I would have dared used an EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM lens as a street photography lens before, I would have said "no". But I'm happy to take the RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens as a walkabout or street lens. It's quite a different experience due to the reliability. You also don't need to calibrate your lenses any more.
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R6 + RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens


R6 + RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens

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Canon don't recommend using pre-digital lenses (usually those made prior to 2004, but mostly those made prior to 1999) because they claim the old designs and optical coatings can impact reliability and performance... sometimes significantly. I would agree with this statement. But digital lenses (made for digital EOS DSLR cameras) produced after 2004 tend to work VERY well on the EOS RF mount cameras. This makes the leap from a DSLR to a mirrorless camera so much easier because you can take your lenses with you. Whenever Canon announce a new RF lens, they usually try to add a few new features or even design changes (eg weight, size) to encourage new users to to "trade up". With quite a few RF lenses, the differences are quite minimal. Your EF lenses, depending on how good they are, should work just fine on the new mount. A poor lens that gave poor results on a DSLR will likely not offer you a huge improvement that couldn't be resolved by using an RF lens as an alternative.
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The one thing that seems to drive lens sales for the RF mount is a sense of what some people refer to as "Gear Acquisition Syndrome" (G.A.S.) and it's simply a desire to believe that new equipment will increase the quality of your work. But I might suggest that if you already have decent lenses, test them out on a new body before you make a decision to buy more glass. I have a feeling you won't see a need to swap out those lenses just yet.
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R6 + EF 135mm f/2 STM lens -Nice, reliable performance with smooth bokeh.


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM lens - Perfect, even with Extenders. I found it to be sharp and highly versatile on the RF mount.


R6 + EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS lens - A Sharp and reliable combo with strong lens character.

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If you own one of the mirrorless bodies that has IBIS (R6, R5, R3, R7, R6 II) you will not get the full benefit of the IBIS without an RF lens. However you may notice some improvement in IS with an EF lens and in most cases the image quality of an EF lens on an R body will be just as good if not better than what it was on your DSLR.

The only case where image quality might not be as good is with a cheaper EF lens on a very high megapixel camera such as the R5. In these cases the lenses just don't have the resolving power required. But even there the difference is one that will show up in lab tests but may not be noticeable to most people, especially if you're not making large prints. You have to think of lab tests in practical terms. I used the EF 24-104 F4 L lens on my R5 and it gave me very sharp images, but if you check Optical Limits you'll se they dumped on it somewhat when it came out because in their tests, it lost sharpness with high resolution cameras.

I have the R5 and did upgrade my 24-105 F4 to the RF version because that's my walkabout lens and I want all the IS I can get. But mostly I do landscapes and I have no intention of upgrading my other EF L lenses; they're all giving me great images.
 
Beautiful shot. Is that version 1 of the 100-400? I'm still using it with my R5 and while there might be other reasons to upgrade, image quality isn't one of them.
 
The only case where image quality might not be as good is with a cheaper EF lens on a very high megapixel camera such as the R5. In these cases the lenses just don't have the resolving power required. But even there the difference is one that will show up in lab tests but may not be noticeable to most people, especially if you're not making large prints. You have to think of lab tests in practical terms. I used the EF 24-104 F4 L lens on my R5 and it gave me very sharp images, but if you check Optical Limits you'll se they dumped on it somewhat when it came out because in their tests, it lost sharpness with high resolution cameras.
A lower-resolving lens is not going to push a higher-resolving sensor to its limits as a higher-resolving lens would.

But I don't believe anyone has ever taken a real picture that shows a lower-resolving lens with a higher-resolving body proving less sharp than that same lens on a lower-resolving body.
 
Thanks so much to everyone for the informative responses. Really great info. I will do as recommended and hang on to all my EF lenses.
I have the R6II and all 3 of the zooms you listed (plus other primes) using the basic adapter. They all work fantastic and focus better than on any DSLR I've ever used. You will have no issues here, just the best AF you've ever experienced. Your L zooms are still top notch lenses. Upgrading to RF L zooms will provide very marginal upgrades to image quality, and certainly not commensurate with the price.

I have zero RF lenses and no plans to add any in the near future. I'm actually leaning towards buying some older, manual focus glass since the focusing tools on the R6II make using these old lenses so easy.

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The only case where image quality might not be as good is with a cheaper EF lens on a very high megapixel camera such as the R5. In these cases the lenses just don't have the resolving power required. But even there the difference is one that will show up in lab tests but may not be noticeable to most people, especially if you're not making large prints. You have to think of lab tests in practical terms. I used the EF 24-104 F4 L lens on my R5 and it gave me very sharp images, but if you check Optical Limits you'll se they dumped on it somewhat when it came out because in their tests, it lost sharpness with high resolution cameras.
A lower-resolving lens is not going to push a higher-resolving sensor to its limits as a higher-resolving lens would.

But I don't believe anyone has ever taken a real picture that shows a lower-resolving lens with a higher-resolving body proving less sharp than that same lens on a lower-resolving body.
That is because it doesn't. The system resolution can only improve when the boy resolution goes up and optics remain same
 
(Mixing RF and EF lenses is another matter if you don't like juggling adapters.)

This the killer. I had bunch of nice EF lens's and thought I would make a slow transition over the next 3-4 years. NO YOU CANT DO THAT and stay sane. Ended up costing a lot more then I planed :(

Say you have a RF lens on your R body and you need a long lens. Two ways to handle this an adapter for each lens or one adapter that you must move around a LOT. Missed a lot of great shots that way. So I bit the bullet and spend a lot on money on updating all my EF lenses.

Hmm seems a bit funny to me now that I think about it. typing this while listening to "The End" by The Doors :)
 

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