Nice video from Nikon, addresses overheating

Great video. Beautiful work.

The part about overheating starts at 3:00.

Nikon clearly understood that the Z8 would be more prone to overheating. Of course, non here has shot an hour and 5 minutes at 8k30 10 bit in 40 degree C. The guy in the video did.

Oh, btw, Ricci got 2000 shots, carbon fiber reinforced plastic is a good thing and Nikon says the Z8 weather sealing is the same as the Z9.

And if you hate the Z8 grip, buy the Z9. Or do like most of us, and shoot without it.

Enjoyable video, thanks for the link.

Also belies those who say the Z8 is not a landscape camera.

wilberforce_1 said:

Enjoyable video, thanks for the link.

Also belies those who say the Z8 is not a landscape camera.

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Labels like those are silly. I use the Z6 for "pro" on paid jobs and other "pro" settings like sports, but does it make it the best camera for the job? Of course not.

The same thing for any other camera. Can you use the Z9 or Z8 for landscapes? Sure. But the Z7 refresh will probably be the better camera for it. Heck, one can even argue the current Z7/ii still is.

Droster said:

wilberforce_1 said:

Enjoyable video, thanks for the link.

Also belies those who say the Z8 is not a landscape camera.

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Labels like those are silly. I use the Z6 for "pro" on paid jobs and other "pro" settings like sports, but does it make it the best camera for the job? Of course not.

The same thing for any other camera. Can you use the Z9 or Z8 for landscapes? Sure. But the Z7 refresh will probably be the better camera for it. Heck, one can even argue the current Z7/ii still is.

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Yep, that is what I was arguing until I watched the video. Now I’m not so sure. There are a number of possibilities for landscape photography/video the Z8 opens up that the Z7 cannot (easily) do.

sandy b said:

Great video. Beautiful work.

The part about overheating starts at 3:00.

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I'm waiting to see someone test the Z8 for overheating when it's powered over USB (either from a USB-PD power-pack or a mains adapter). It should run for far longer, since running tethered (or using the battery grip) removes a heat source from the camera.

So for long shoots, you could slip a 20000mAh 65W power bank in your pants pocket, run a USB-PD cable up inside your shirt, down your sleeve and into the Z8. This could give you a hand-held cooler-running shooting system without the weight of battery grip.

wilberforce_1 said:

Droster said:

wilberforce_1 said:

Enjoyable video, thanks for the link.

Also belies those who say the Z8 is not a landscape camera.

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Labels like those are silly. I use the Z6 for "pro" on paid jobs and other "pro" settings like sports, but does it make it the best camera for the job? Of course not.

The same thing for any other camera. Can you use the Z9 or Z8 for landscapes? Sure. But the Z7 refresh will probably be the better camera for it. Heck, one can even argue the current Z7/ii still is.

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Yep, that is what I was arguing until I watched the video. Now I’m not so sure. There are a number of possibilities for landscape photography/video the Z8 opens up that the Z7 cannot (easily) do.

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Particularly for astrophotography perhaps…

That sounds complicated. Get a USB holder from Smallrig etc and screw it to the tripod mount or add a cage / L bracket.

NickZ2016 said:

That sounds complicated. Get a USB holder from Smallrig etc and screw it to the tripod mount or add a cage / L bracket.

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Weight in a pants pocket is far easier to carry for an hour than the same weight in your hand. What's complicated about running a cable from the pocket to your wrist?

sandy b said:

Great video. Beautiful work.

The part about overheating starts at 3:00.

Nikon clearly understood that the Z8 would be more prone to overheating. Of course, non here has shot an hour and 5 minutes at 8k30 10 bit in 40 degree C. The guy in the video did.

Oh, btw, Ricci got 2000 shots, carbon fiber reinforced plastic is a good thing and Nikon says the Z8 weather sealing is the same as the Z9.

And if you hate the Z8 grip, buy the Z9. Or do like most of us, and shoot without it.

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What about 4k 60p proresraw? It overheats at around 30 minutes in Matt Granger's video. Also, there are no tests of 4k 24 to 60p on 10 bit H265, prores 422 HQ, proresraw and Nraw yet.

More videos are needed before we know whether the Z8 is a reliable video camera.

Matt Irwin has a production model and Gerald Undone has a Z8 too. So, we should at least two more trustworthy reviews.

Why would anybody want to run Prores raw? I can't remember if it's pixel bin or line skipped. The HEVC 4K will actually be better.

Okay if you've been hired to deliver Prores but other than that?

You're basically putting yourself on a leash. Everything that can go wrong will sooner or latter. Pulled cable. I could even imagine tripping over yourself.

You also don't need a 20k bank. A 10k is more or less equal to a 15 battery. Will weigh very little and can be hot swapped.

NickZ2016 said:

Why would anybody want to run Prores raw? I can't remember if it's pixel bin or line skipped. The HEVC 4K will actually be better.

Okay if you've been hired to deliver Prores but other than that?

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For smoother editing on computer? Of course, you can use H265 which consumes much less space on the memory cards.

I just want to know if there is format (nraw, 10 bit H265 or prores) that can have sufficient recording time (for me ideally 2 hours or more) on 4k 24-60p.

I reached a different conclusion. Getting so hot as to require the camera shutting down is a useful metric but not one I would want to hit on a regular basis.

The camera displayed a high-heat card warning at just 7 minutes. This means you'll see thermal throttling of card throughout quickly, which translates to dropped frames for higher bitrate recording like raw. Shoot the camera out of the shade and it'll only get worse.

In contrast, the Z9 never displayed even a warning under the same conditions. The Z8 looks fine for indoor video and short outdoor clips but otherwise the Z9 looks like the better camera for an all-around video role.

NOT a NIKON VID - Links TV is an independent landscape and video shooter who shoots Nikon, Hasselblad, Canon, Tamron, Insta360, DJI, etc. His work is great -- have a look at his website: www.linksphotograph.com -- he seems to spend a lot of time getting really cold and suffering weather issues.

Horshack said:

I reached a different conclusion. Getting so hot as to require the camera shutting down is a useful metric but not one I would want to hit on a regular basis.

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Indeed how many uses need to shoot continuously for more than 1 hour, let alone 2 hours and 5 mins.

Horshack said:

The camera displayed a high-heat card warning at just 7 minutes. This means you'll see thermal throttling of card throughout quickly, which translates to dropped frames for higher bitrate recording like raw. In contrast, the Z9 never displayed even a warning under the same conditions.

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AGREED - testing one of my Z9 bodies (I don't have a Z8 to test but I will do when mine arrives) -- the AMBER hot Card warning turned up after 20-30 mins shooting 8.3k 60p HQ N-RAW N-LOG onto an 4TB Angelbird AV 2.0 card (so the biggest and fastest card around) but this combination successfully hit 1 hour and 33 mins with no apparent dropped frames or losses at all.

The CFE-B x2.0 compliant cards are a minimum for shooting any data demanding vids AND there are difference between even the top cards that make some run hotter and some run cooler -- clearly what would help is someone to go buy all these cards and run tests for us. In the mean time most folk just take a few and conclude X or Y is the best. NOPE. BTW based on the fact that I own 2 of each of these the Delkin Black 650GB card are the best, just edging out the 650GB Prograde Cobalt and then as one GOES up in capacity Sabrent Rocket 2TB is simply Awesome and as noted one then really only has the Angelbird AV Pro 2.0 at 4TB to play with (well where I am sitting in my office/studio) -- not a comprehensive test no sponsorship received at all darn it.

Horshack said:

Shoot the camera out of the shade and it'll only get worse.

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Dune and other productions shot on digital camera in the DESERT take multiple cameras so shooting is not stopped while the gear cools down.

Horshack said:

The Z8 looks fine for indoor video and short outdoor clips but otherwise the Z9 looks like the better camera for an all-around video role.

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Well it depends - I can and have put my Z9 on a DJI pro gimbal - but I am not going to lug it around all day. Whereas the Z8 is that bit smaller and lighter AND since it is cheaper one JUST HAS TO buy 2.

Releasing a $4K body prone to overheating....pass..no issues with my Z6 though

Great post, thanks for sharing your personal experience.

areallygrumpyoldsod said:

The CFE-B x2.0 compliant cards are a minimum for shooting any data demanding vids AND there are difference between even the top cards that make some run hotter and some run cooler -- clearly what would help is someone to go buy all these cards and run tests for us.

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Here you go - it's not in-camera but still useful on a relative thermal basis:

https://www.thessdreview.com/our-re...ld-2tb-cfexpress-type-b-memory-card-review/3/

sandy b said:

Great video. Beautiful work.

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I do not believe video is "from Nikon". Instead a video by a reviewer.

sandy b said:

The part about overheating starts at 3:00.

Nikon clearly understood that the Z8 would be more prone to overheating. Of course, non here has shot an hour and 5 minutes at 8k30 10 bit in 40 degree C. The guy in the video did.

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Thermometer shows 42 C or 107.6 F. Nikon shows Z8 Max operating temperature of 104 F.

Being it made 65 minutes out of 125 minutes with Z8 3.6 F above max operating temperature; I would say Z8 and card used passed. Whether a top-end card on Nikon's Z9 approved card list would see recording times extended at 42 C; would be interesting.

In regards to temperature; As reviewer says: I am not worried about recording time.

Horshack said:

Great post, thanks for sharing your personal experience.

Horshack said:

The CFE-B x2.0 compliant cards are a minimum for shooting any data demanding vids AND there are difference between even the top cards that make some run hotter and some run cooler -- clearly what would help is someone to go buy all these cards and run tests for us.

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Here you go - it's not in-camera but still useful on a relative thermal basis:

https://www.thessdreview.com/our-re...ld-2tb-cfexpress-type-b-memory-card-review/3/

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Thanks --

There appear to be a raft of newer cards and updates that are not included.
For example the new design Delkin Black including the 650GB are a wee bit quicker than their older 518GB version.
Cards like Sabrent Rocket, Angelbird AV 2.0 (the new one), OWV, Nextorage etc that are all 2.0 complaint (so write using 2x channels) are not covered.

What is matters is how this works in practice in a camera NOT in a card reader to a computer.

For example in my testing both the Angelbird and Sabrent Rocket were flagged with an amber hot card warning on my Z9 but I saw no loss of performance nor frames dropped recording 8.3K 60p HS N-RAW N-Log for 1 hr 33 mins and 46.5 mins respectively which filled each card.

Time to thermal shutdown is with each card in each type of body is the key alongside which card can be used for each format/quality/frame rate etc....

I am yet to hit the buffer shooting Lossless RAW at 20fps in the field - I have run some very long tests but these are way way longer than I actually shoot.

I can thoroughly recommend watching Thom Hogan on Paul Photo's zoom -- Hopefully follow this link -- he has much to say about the Z8.

I find that one should test the camera with the cards you are going to use that support your needs. There would be no need for a slow/low frame rate stills only shooter to go beyond the SD or an XQD. But for me and others we want to take the card out of the equation buy using the top cards possible. For the Z8 simply do not use the SD card while taking shots or shooting videos - you can copy for shots/footage over to it later all or a selection (whatever fits your time/space) - writing to much slower storage simply slows shooting down and will generate heat. For big shoots I of load cards via a MacBookPro where make several backups etc.. - swapping cards when there is a natural break is something ~I have always done - as great as CFE-B cards are I will not rest a whole shoot on one card working -- I no longer write backups in camera even with matching card slots - and I do not save both RAW and JPG. It is simply pointless for me since any JPG I use is generated an export for LRC. But there are sports/reporters who have to squirt JPGs as-fast-as-they-can - Live to broadcast in seconds is their need - so they just shoot jpg as the primary and may save Raw if they want a version to work on later.

Who's going to record 8 to 70 minute-long single takes?

Who is going to WATCH 8 to 70-minute-long single takes?

It reminds me when I was a child, when parents with VHS camcorders might tape their kid's high school play in a single hour and a half take. But who's going to watch that stuff? Probably not even the parents.

Professional 35mm film movies cameras (which are still used for some filmmakers for whatever reason) typically run 10 minutes on a reel of film before the reel is used up.

So they are limited to 10 minutes per single take. And I bet they rarely use all 10 minutes at once. I bet they get dozens and dozens of shots on a single 10-minute roll, via numerous stops and starts. And this is for PROFESSIONAL Hollywood billion dollar movies.

There was a 96-minute-long single take in the professional Russian film "Russian Ark" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ark (shot with a Sony CineAlta HDW-F900, not some consumer stills-hybrid camera.)

It's a pretty interesting movie. And it makes good use of a single take. But 99.9% of movies do not use this technique. The film "Birdman" was edited so that it appeared to be a single take, but it was all movie magic, not an actual single take.

areallygrumpyoldsod said:

Horshack said:

Great post, thanks for sharing your personal experience.

areallygrumpyoldsod said:

The CFE-B x2.0 compliant cards are a minimum for shooting any data demanding vids AND there are difference between even the top cards that make some run hotter and some run cooler -- clearly what would help is someone to go buy all these cards and run tests for us.

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Here you go - it's not in-camera but still useful on a relative thermal basis:

https://www.thessdreview.com/our-re...ld-2tb-cfexpress-type-b-memory-card-review/3/

Click to expand...

Thanks --

There appear to be a raft of newer cards and updates that are not included.
For example the new design Delkin Black including the 650GB are a wee bit quicker than their older 518GB version.
Cards like Sabrent Rocket, Angelbird AV 2.0 (the new one), OWV, Nextorage etc that are all 2.0 complaint (so write using 2x channels) are not covered.

What is matters is how this works in practice in a camera NOT in a card reader to a computer.

For example in my testing both the Angelbird and Sabrent Rocket were flagged with an amber hot card warning on my Z9 but I saw no loss of performance nor frames dropped recording 8.3K 60p HS N-RAW N-Log for 1 hr 33 mins and 46.5 mins respectively which filled each card.

Time to thermal shutdown is with each card in each type of body is the key alongside which card can be used for each format/quality/frame rate etc....

I am yet to hit the buffer shooting Lossless RAW at 20fps in the field - I have run some very long tests but these are way way longer than I actually shoot.

I can thoroughly recommend watching Thom Hogan on Paul Photo's zoom -- Hopefully follow this link -- he has much to say about the Z8.

I find that one should test the camera with the cards you are going to use that support your needs. There would be no need for a slow/low frame rate stills only shooter to go beyond the SD or an XQD. But for me and others we want to take the card out of the equation buy using the top cards possible. For the Z8 simply do not use the SD card while taking shots or shooting videos - you can copy for shots/footage over to it later all or a selection (whatever fits your time/space) - writing to much slower storage simply slows shooting down and will generate heat. For big shoots I of load cards via a MacBookPro where make several backups etc.. - swapping cards when there is a natural break is something ~I have always done - as great as CFE-B cards are I will not rest a whole shoot on one card working -- I no longer write backups in camera even with matching card slots - and I do not save both RAW and JPG. It is simply pointless for me since any JPG I use is generated an export for LRC. But there are sports/reporters who have to squirt JPGs as-fast-as-they-can - Live to broadcast in seconds is their need - so they just shoot jpg as the primary and may save Raw if they want a version to work on later

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Naturally it would be better to have results for a given camera but that's just not plausible - there are too many combinations of cards and cameras to test. The link I provided demonstrates the cards' relative thermal performance in a common setup - that information can be used to select the best thermal-performing cards, which will be least likely to cause thermal problems in other situations.