Optimized Battery Charging or AlDente

Does that mean I can use my phone charger? Its says: Output: 5V 2A.

I suppose we all have several of these types of chargers. The one for my tablet says: Output: 5V 1.8A. I also have one for a camera that has in-body charging. It says: Output: 5V 0.5A.

Will these actually work for my 16" MBP? Of course, I realize they would be slower to charge than the MagSafe big 140-watt GaN charger that it came with.
Those chargers put out anywhere from 2.5 watts (5V @ 0.5A) to 10 watts (5V @ 2A). It sounds like they either don't support USB-C Power Delivery, or support only the most basic 5V profile. The 16" MBP presumably uses one of the 20V profiles when charging over USB-C, and whatever arrangement Apple devised to exceed the old 100 watt limit when charging over MagSafe 3.

https://manhattanproducts.eu/pages/usb-c-pd-charging-everything-you-need-to-know

Let's assume that the way in which the chargers deliver power is not an issue. The 16" MBP consumes 7.2 watts of wall power when turned on, and idle. So 2.5 watts from a camera charger wouldn't be enough to keep a powered-on (but idle) laptop from losing ground.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/3
 
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Hi Mike

Thanks for sharing your positive experience with AlDente.

I'm a new user of the Pro version and am eager to know what charge percentage you used for the machines that you had good results with.

From reading up on Battery University and elsewhere, it seems like maintaining a 50% SOC would be ideal, so I'm using 51% with 2% sailing to 49% to try and maintain the cathode anode balance, which is also the charge state that Apple recommends for long term storage.

Wondering why the AlDente app defaults to 80%, guessing it's to allow sufficient power for working away from a power outlet. Eager to know your recommendation.

Thanks
 
Hi Mike

Thanks for sharing your positive experience with AlDente.

I'm a new user of the Pro version and am eager to know what charge percentage you used for the machines that you had good results with.

From reading up on Battery University and elsewhere, it seems like maintaining a 50% SOC would be ideal, so I'm using 51% with 2% sailing to 49% to try and maintain the cathode anode balance, which is also the charge state that Apple recommends for long term storage.

Wondering why the AlDente app defaults to 80%, guessing it's to allow sufficient power for working away from a power outlet. Eager to know your recommendation.

Thanks
Because of the Battery Universiy number I have used 50% for most of the time but have had periods of using 60% and 70%.

Think you are right about why AlDente defaults to 80% and why Apple OBC also uses 80%
 
Because of the Battery University number I have used 50% for most of the time but have had periods of using 60% and 70%.
I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion. In the chart below, the longest battery life never fell below 65% and the second longest never below 45%.
Think you are right about why AlDente defaults to 80% and why Apple OBC also uses 80%
Holding at 80% is definitely more convenient for people like me. When I decide to go away on a trip, I select Charge to Full, and it takes less time getting from 80% to 100% than from 50%.

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Because of the Battery University number I have used 50% for most of the time but have had periods of using 60% and 70%.
I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion. In the chart below, the longest battery life never fell below 65% and the second longest never below 45%.
As Dhargon wrote it says somewhere else 50% is optimum. Microsoft uses 50 instead of 80 for their OBC
Think you are right about why AlDente defaults to 80% and why Apple OBC also uses 80%
Holding at 80% is definitely more convenient for people like me. When I decide to go away on a trip, I select Charge to Full, and it takes less time getting from 80% to 100% than from 50%.

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https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries#
 
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I believe it can take a few weeks to learn, but I gave it two months on my M1 MBA running Big Sur at the time, and it never worked for me with the Mac plugged in nearly all the time.
Yes, I have read a few times in various places people complain that the Optimized Battery Charging never starts to work properly. Others though say it eventually started to work for them. It is a shame that yet more Apple software is buggy and does not get fixed. :-(
So I switched to AlDente and never looked back. I have put AlDente straight on to three new macs I have had since then because of the extra control and certainty about what was actually happening. It may be that in Ventura it works but I would still go with AlDente.

I have sold my original two M1 MBAs at 25 months and 18 months of being plugged in nearly all the time. One had 100% battery condition and the other 98%.
Thank you for the info and personal experience. I think I will wait until my MBP is 2-3 weeks old and see if the Optimized Battery Charging kicks in and starts working. If it doesn't then I will probably get AlDente. I read through the FAQ:

https://apphousekitchen.com/faq/

I pulled out a few interesting bits:

Unlike the common belief, it is actually way more unhealthy for a battery to always get cycled between a reasonable range (for example between 30% and 70%) than to just stay at a healthy percentage (for example 80%). This is due to even reasonable charge cycling adding a lot of charge cycles which results in more and faster battery degradation over time than just using the MacBook plugged in at a healthy percentage. However, this does not mean that you should not use your MacBook remotely. MacBooks are portable devices but if you use your MacBook in your office plugged in, it is better to just limit charging to a healthy percentage than to cycle between a certain range.

Keeping your battery at a lower percentage, such as under 80%, over weeks without doing full cycles (100%-0%-100%) can result in a disturbed battery calibration. When this happens, your Macbook might turn off with 40-50% left or it will stay at 100% for hours, and your battery capacity can drop significantly. However, this is only due to a disturbed battery calibration and not because of a faulty or degraded battery. To avoid this issue, we recommend doing at least one full cycle (0%-100%) every two weeks. Even if your battery calibration gets disturbed, doing 4-5 full cycles will recalibrate your battery and the capacity will go up again. AlDente Pro has a feature called Calibration Mode (https://apphousekitchen.com/feature-explanation-calibration-mode-2/), which will automatically do a full cycle when started.

AlDente Free can not control the charging behavior of your MacBook while it is in sleep or shut down. Therefore, it will continue to charge to 100% when you close the lid or shut it down. AlDente Pro has features called “Stop charging when sleeping” and “Stop charging when powered off” to counteract this behavior.

AlDente Free can not control the charging behavior of your MacBook while it is in sleep or shut down. Therefore, it will continue to charge to 100% when you close the lid or shut it down. AlDente Pro has features called “Stop charging when sleeping” and “Stop charging when powered off” to counteract this behavior.


AlDente has a free version, $14/year subscription version, and a $29 lifetime license version (it does not say if you get free updates for life or if you have the rebuy it each time). From what I can see there is nothing in the paid version I care about except that it can work while the computer is in sleep mode or shutdown. That is a big thing, I think. It sort of seems that without that ability the free version is sort of meaningless. Well, unless one never shuts down or go to sleep while plugged in. I generally dislike adding utility software to my computer that duplicates what Apple already provides, but if Apple does not come through and work properly then I will probably buy this one.
I cannot find anything on the AlDente website that says whether owners of the $29 lifetime license get updates after that or updates will mean buying a whole new lifetime license. Anyone know?
Anyone know the answers?
 
I cannot find anything on the AlDente website that says whether owners of the $29 lifetime license get updates after that or updates will mean buying a whole new lifetime license. Anyone know?
Anyone know the answers?
I don't know the answer, but they list an e-mail address and a phone number here:

https://apphousekitchen.com/imprint/

Maybe you could send them an e-mail?
Thank you for finding that. I will send them an email.

Apparently the people here who use AlDente do not know about the product they bought.
 
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A few days later my MBP battery finally dropped down to 77-80% while plugged in. I think it took 17-18 days for me.
During the period when was dropping from 100% to 80%, did the LED light on the MagSafe charger plug turn from green to orange?

That's what is happening to me now. My M1 Air did not have MagSafe, thus no LED.

On our 2014 Macbook 15, the LED turns orange only when it's disconnected from AC mains, or when the laptop has been off power for a while and needs to charge.
 
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A few days later my MBP battery finally dropped down to 77-80% while plugged in. I think it took 17-18 days for me.
During the period when was dropping from 100% to 80%, did the LED light on the MagSafe charger plug turn from green to orange?

That's what is happening to me now. My M1 Air did not have MagSafe, thus no LED.

On our 2014 Macbook 15, the LED turns orange only when it's disconnected from AC mains, or when the laptop has been off power for a while and needs to charge.
It is orange now, but I did not notice when it changed to orange. I have the MBP arranged on my desk such that in normal use I do not see the light. I have an external keyboard and mouse attached along with 2 external displays.
 
A few days later my MBP battery finally dropped down to 77-80% while plugged in. I think it took 17-18 days for me.
After about a day at a varying value of 77% to 80% it settled at 77% and has remained that way.
 
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This new video about charging an M2 MBP popped up today. Not the same thing I was asking about, but it has some interesting stuff.

 
A few days later my MBP battery finally dropped down to 77-80% while plugged in. I think it took 17-18 days for me.
After about a day at a varying value of 77% to 80% it settled at 77% and has remained that way.
Weird!

Mine stays at 80% although I don't know how, because the MagSafe charger is always lighted orange. I'm used to it being green on the 2014 Macbook 15 charger, and orange only when the laptop needs significant charging. RTFM indicates it's normal:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212753

"If your battery is charging or charging is on hold, the indicator light glows amber."

P.S. Regarding your video below, I'm glad I don't use VS Code! Probably I should volunteer to work on Darktable for Mac, and would need to update Xcode.
 
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A few days later my MBP battery finally dropped down to 77-80% while plugged in. I think it took 17-18 days for me.
After about a day at a varying value of 77% to 80% it settled at 77% and has remained that way.
About 24 hours ago I updated to Ventura 13.3 and after it completed the battery was 79% instead of 77%. It has remained 79%.
 
A few days later my MBP battery finally dropped down to 77-80% while plugged in. I think it took 17-18 days for me.
After about a day at a varying value of 77% to 80% it settled at 77% and has remained that way.
About 24 hours ago I updated to Ventura 13.3 and after it completed the battery was 79% instead of 77%. It has remained 79%.
A couple of days ago I went somewhere for over night and I only carried my phone with me. I shutdown the MBP and unplugged it and my displays as I always do when I am away for over a day. I did this about 9:30 AM and when I got home the next day about 5:15 PM I plugged everything in again. Booted up the MBP and it immediately started charging to 100% and has stayed that way. Sigh. :-( Does this mean I must wait 17-18 days AGAIN for it to do the right thing?
 
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A couple of days ago I went somewhere for over night and I only carried my phone with me. I shutdown the MBP and unplugged it and my displays as I always do when I am away for over a day. I did this about 9:30 AM and when I got home the next day about 5:15 PM I plugged everything in again. Booted up the MBP and it immediately started charging to 100% and has stayed that way. Sigh. :-( Does this mean I must wait 17-18 days AGAIN for it to do the right thing?
That didn't happen with my M1 Air. When I took it on an overnight trips, battery was depleted below 80%, after having been charged to full, but on return it leveled off at 80%.

Apple probably needs to add a UI for this. It's kind of like the "use electric" switch on a hybrid or plug-in hybrid vehicle.

How do you have "Low Power Mode" set? Mine is Never, perhaps default (I didn't change it).
 
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A couple of days ago I went somewhere for over night and I only carried my phone with me. I shutdown the MBP and unplugged it and my displays as I always do when I am away for over a day. I did this about 9:30 AM and when I got home the next day about 5:15 PM I plugged everything in again. Booted up the MBP and it immediately started charging to 100% and has stayed that way. Sigh. :-( Does this mean I must wait 17-18 days AGAIN for it to do the right thing?
That didn't happen with my M1 Air. When I took it on an overnight trips, battery was depleted below 80%, after having been charged to full, but on return it leveled off at 80%.
I wonder if every time I unplug it, even for 30 seconds, it may reset itself and charge up to 100% and stay that way again for weeks? From time to time I clean off my computer table so that I can wipe it down to get the dust off. In order to do that I need to unplug everything. Now I wonder if even a momentary loss of power will cause the MBP to reset? What if there is a 1 second power glitch? Will that cause it to reset and go to 100% too?

Oh, and the MagSafe light changed back to green and is still green.
Apple probably needs to add a UI for this. It's kind of like the "use electric" switch on a hybrid or plug-in hybrid vehicle.
Yes, I think in the Battery settings where the Optimized Battery Charging is located there should be another option that can be selected that says the MBP is mostly plugged in.
How do you have "Low Power Mode" set? Mine is Never, perhaps default (I didn't change it).
With Ventura 13.2.1 I had Low Power Mode set to Only on Battery. I just checked and when I updated to 13.3 a few days ago it strangely changed it to Only on Power Adapter. I just now changed it back to Only on Battery.
 
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Why do you keep buying MAC's Richard? You never have any luck with them!
 
Today it went to 80% and the MagSafe light changed back to orange.
 
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Today it went to 80% and the MagSafe light changed back to orange.
Today it mysteriously went back to 100% and a green light. It has been plugged in the whole time.
 
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