Burning down the Library of Alexandria...

Not that I think Amazon would do something with the pics I uploaded over here - but one can never be too sure.
:-( Dang! I never thought about that possibility. It's Amazon after all...
Felt kind of strange, deleting all ththese pics uploaded over all these years.
I can dig it.
First - everything you put into internet is technically public domain, independent of what license you slap there or what the site/portal/platform owner claims.
I know
Second - do you think deleting your pictures from your postings or galleries changes anything? If amazon sees any value in them, then they are backed up from day one.
I know - just in the most unlikely case they would have to go through their backups one more time... that thought is enough
Third - I personally don't care. I have not uploaded (actually even not taken) any image, which can have real commercial or artistic value. Yes, someone could make a nice postcard or even calendar from my images - let them have their day then :)
+1 I would be highly suprised if one of my click-clacks would surface -
 
Stillton wrote:
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
They probably put an absurd valuation on DPR so when they shut it down they get a big tax write-off.
Hmmm . . . I didn't think about that angle. They did just make record profits for the past couple of years, right. I guess now's the time to take all the write-offs they can, huh?
If they put it on the market they would get a realistic valuation which wouldn't fit in their plans.

Not only are they screwing the users here they are screwing the American taxpayer.

The immorality of these people is astounding. Did they miss kindergarten?

Jan
 
Stillton wrote:
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
The immorality of these people is astounding. Did they miss kindergarten?

Jan
Well, they had their own kindergarten, and then their own school and college where they were taught that the rest of the population is not like them, even thought they look the same. They were told that the rest is just cattle to be used and farmed by this small group.

Cant stress this enough - it goes FAR BEYOND just plain old greed and power.

I wish I was kidding...
 
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Rudi.
 
Stillton wrote:
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
They probably put an absurd valuation on DPR so when they shut it down they get a big tax write-off. If they put it on the market they would get a realistic valuation which wouldn't fit in their plans.

Not only are they screwing the users here they are screwing the American taxpayer.

The immorality of these people is astounding. Did they miss kindergarten?

Jan
It comes to some of them at birth.
 
Stillton wrote:
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
They probably put an absurd valuation on DPR so when they shut it down they get a big tax write-off. If they put it on the market they would get a realistic valuation which wouldn't fit in their plans.

Not only are they screwing the users here they are screwing the American taxpayer.

The immorality of these people is astounding. Did they miss kindergarten?
Who knows Jan? But they certainly missed Morality 101.
That word does not exist in their vocabulary.
 
Stillton wrote:
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
The immorality of these people is astounding. Did they miss kindergarten?

Jan
Well, they had their own kindergarten, and then their own school and college where they were taught that the rest of the population is not like them, even thought they look the same. They were told that the rest is just cattle to be used and farmed by this small group.

Cant stress this enough - it goes FAR BEYOND just plain old greed and power.

I wish I was kidding...
I absolutely agree with you and see exactly what you see.
 
Worse than we think.

Remember when Donald Trump got canceled from twitter and joined Parler?

Parler was hosted on AWS, Amazon Web Service, and Amazon shut them down.

Flipped a switch and turned them off. Unilaterally. No Muss no Fuss.

Amazon is the 800 pound gorilla in this space, and everyone from the military to major corporations, and small mom/pop businesses are all rushing to them. No one ever has to buy a server or tech staff again.

Except when Amazon no longer deems you worthy and shuts you off.
 
Not that I think Amazon would do something with the pics I uploaded over here - but one can never be too sure.
:-( Dang! I never thought about that possibility. It's Amazon after all...
Felt kind of strange, deleting all ththese pics uploaded over all these years.
I can dig it.
First - everything you put into internet is technically public domain, independent of what license you slap there or what the site/portal/platform owner claims.
Not completely true. But yeah, loading your stuff up onto a website is not the best way to protect it.
Second - do you think deleting your pictures from your postings or galleries changes anything? If amazon sees any value in them, then they are backed up from day one.
Well ultimately it depends on the licensing agreement you agreed to.

This is what DPReview say on their Galleries upload page:

Terms and conditions

We respect your copyright and intellectual property...


To read the rest, go to Upload to my Gallery.
Third - I personally don't care. I have not uploaded (actually even not taken) any image, which can have real commercial or artistic value. Yes, someone could make a nice postcard or even calendar from my images - let them have their day then :)
Ok.
 
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Does Amazon care about photographers? Well no, they don't. But they do care about where they spend their money.

I keep hearing about websites that are cutting Amazon as sponsors. I won't be purchasing from them again either.

Have a look at this video from The Photographic Eye.
If you knew what those Blackrock, Vanguard, WEF types of people actually think like, and what they did to get to their goals, you would be in disbelief and horror.
The biggest mistake people are making is when such negative events occur, they attribute it to greed or stupidity, or something else other than malice. But it is the latter that is always to blame.
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
Do you know they didn't try to sell it? No. Do you know that someone out there wants to buy DPreview? I wonder.
Instead of shutting it down they could just give it away and make a few bucks hosting it.

There's definitely a fiddle going on. People don't shut down popular sites with lots of traffic. DPR got 12.5 million visits in February! That's a lot and I cannot believe that Amazon couldn't sell it to somebody.

There's scummery about.

Jan
 
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Does Amazon care about photographers? Well no, they don't. But they do care about where they spend their money.

I keep hearing about websites that are cutting Amazon as sponsors. I won't be purchasing from them again either.

Have a look at this video from The Photographic Eye.
If you knew what those Blackrock, Vanguard, WEF types of people actually think like, and what they did to get to their goals, you would be in disbelief and horror.
The biggest mistake people are making is when such negative events occur, they attribute it to greed or stupidity, or something else other than malice. But it is the latter that is always to blame.
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
Do you know they didn't try to sell it? No. Do you know that someone out there wants to buy DPreview? I wonder.
Instead of shutting it down they could just give it away and make a few bucks hosting it.

There's definitely a fiddle going on. People don't shut down popular sites with lots of traffic. DPR got 12.5 million visits in February! That's a lot and I cannot believe that Amazon couldn't sell it to somebody.

There's scummery about.
It certainly seems that way. :-x
 
Sixteen years ago the decision was made to sell this entity to Amazon. The Amazon business model was quite established by that point. I envision the decision to sell was not a purely altruistic attempt to save the site out of a love for photography. A profit motive that put DPR in the hands of Amazon years ago set it on the course for this inevitable fate as business models are periodically adjusted.
 
Stillton wrote:
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
The immorality of these people is astounding. Did they miss kindergarten?

Jan
Well, they had their own kindergarten, and then their own school and college where they were taught that the rest of the population is not like them, even thought they look the same. They were told that the rest is just cattle to be used and farmed by this small group.

Cant stress this enough - it goes FAR BEYOND just plain old greed and power.

I wish I was kidding...
I'm sorry, but WHAT?!?

I'm not going to say there's nobody who was raised the way you're saying, but Bill Gates, Sam Walton before him, and of course the new Internet billionaires almost all grew up in middle class society, and NO, their parents were not fabulously wealthy. Sure, they likely owned two cars (maybe three), and likely lived in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, but they weren't "destined" to be billionaires. More than 80% of billionaires were not born into billionaire families. Most wealthy people in the World are self-made. When kids inherit lots of money (i.e. millions) they generally blow it all in just a few years, and then end up with a house and a couple of cars maybe. Sure, billionaire children inherit generational wealth, but by the next generation there is normally less than $1 billion for each child, abd the wealth gets spread out naturally to their kids until their family is wealthy, but not fabulously wealthy. Sure, there are exceptions, like the children of the Rockefeller fortune, the grand children and great grand children of the Cargil fortune, Sam Walton's kids, etc.

To think all the wealthiest people in the World are as you describe would be a mistake. Most of the wealthiest people on Earth have gained their wealth in the past twenty to thirty years. I'm describing Jeff Bezos here, as well as others, like Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Bill Gates (though he's getting old now, and he was the World's youngest billionaire at one time).

This is where Mark Zuckerberg went to high-school: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardsley_High_School

This is where Jeff Bezos went to school:



Did you know he worked at a McDonald's in the kitchen, flipping burgers? Silver spoon for sure! (Granted, his adopted grandfather did have a very large ranch in Texas, so he definitely didn't grow up poor.)

Bill Gates? He started Microsoft in his "garage" for a reason, and that reason is not because his dad just bought him a new office building to work from.
 
Does Amazon care about photographers? Well no, they don't. But they do care about where they spend their money.

I keep hearing about websites that are cutting Amazon as sponsors. I won't be purchasing from them again either.

Have a look at this video from The Photographic Eye.
Yes, you are right ... but the people, the public, are so incredibly stupid and forgettable.

In Belgium, there was a big car plant run by France's Renault. And Renault also received a lot of state aid in Belgium. Until they decided that the factory was no longer profitable, and they closed the car factory, in a few months about 2,000 of their workers were on the street, laid off.
Mass protests, demonstrations all the way to Paris, nobody in Belgium would buy another Renault car ...
I believe that after a year, the Renault Clio was again one of the best-selling cars in Belgium.
Yes, these mega-corporations basically get away with murder. They are often treated as national institutions and given equal footing with movie stars and politicians. That's the power of rampant capitalism, sadly.
What?!? Don't you realize a successful business is a national hero? You DO realize they provide jobs . . . and therefore incomes . . . to support thousands of families, right? You act as if we should despise success.

If it wasn't for successfil businesses (created by entrepreneurs, like Mr. Yamaki's dad), then where would we be? Here in the U.S. we would not have become the most powerful country in the World, so we would have lost WWII (or maybe WWI), so we'd probably all be speaking German. There would be no DPreview. That's for sure. The digital camera probably never would have been invented.
This Dpreview website will be forgotten after a few months and Amazon will lose none of its popularity.
I don't agree. DPReview will be remembered as a template for what can be achieved on this type of member-driven platform. No one else has come close.
So it goes with humanity. If you are not going to use your common sense, the future does not look especially bright. Sigh ...
Yes. Common sense is becoming a rare commodity.
 
Stillton wrote:
Amazon could have sold it to get the money back/write it off, but instead chose to kill it off. This action alone removes money/greed as a possible explanation.
The immorality of these people is astounding. Did they miss kindergarten?

Jan
Well, they had their own kindergarten, and then their own school and college where they were taught that the rest of the population is not like them, even thought they look the same. They were told that the rest is just cattle to be used and farmed by this small group.

Cant stress this enough - it goes FAR BEYOND just plain old greed and power.

I wish I was kidding...
I'm sorry, but WHAT?!? <mega-snip>
LOL, Scott, on another forum you could use a much bigger font than that and a different color, too.
 
Does Amazon care about photographers? Well no, they don't. But they do care about where they spend their money.

I keep hearing about websites that are cutting Amazon as sponsors. I won't be purchasing from them again either.

Have a look at this video from The Photographic Eye.
Yes, you are right ... but the people, the public, are so incredibly stupid and forgettable.

In Belgium, there was a big car plant run by France's Renault. And Renault also received a lot of state aid in Belgium. Until they decided that the factory was no longer profitable, and they closed the car factory, in a few months about 2,000 of their workers were on the street, laid off.
Mass protests, demonstrations all the way to Paris, nobody in Belgium would buy another Renault car ...
I believe that after a year, the Renault Clio was again one of the best-selling cars in Belgium.
Yes, these mega-corporations basically get away with murder. They are often treated as national institutions and given equal footing with movie stars and politicians. That's the power of rampant capitalism, sadly.
What?!? Don't you realize a successful business is a national hero? You DO realize they provide jobs . . . and therefore incomes . . . to support thousands of families, right? You act as if we should despise success.

If it wasn't for successfil businesses (created by entrepreneurs, like Mr. Yamaki's dad), then where would we be? Here in the U.S. we would not have become the most powerful country in the World, so we would have lost WWII (or maybe WWI), so we'd probably all be speaking German. There would be no DPreview. That's for sure. The digital camera probably never would have been invented.
Well, Mr Scottelly, I see the United States of America as a third world country, a developing country, and I don't see how you can be proud of your homeland, following its recent developments. Brrr, I never want to live in your nation.

Jozef
This Dpreview website will be forgotten after a few months and Amazon will lose none of its popularity.
I don't agree. DPReview will be remembered as a template for what can be achieved on this type of member-driven platform. No one else has come close.
So it goes with humanity. If you are not going to use your common sense, the future does not look especially bright. Sigh ...
Yes. Common sense is becoming a rare commodity.
 

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