Help me choose: 200-400 F4 VRII or 200-500 F5.6

I’m very surprised your 200-500 didn’t break into 2 pieces when you dropped it onto concrete at that height. I don’t own either but I’ve held both and the 200-400 seems so much more solid in its construction. One would think the barrel extending out so far when zoomed to 500mm would eventually lead to significant internal moisture and dirt accumulation.
I've owned the 200-500 for several years and will offer a few comments. I did drop it once and had it serviced by Nikon. The filter ring needed to be replaced. If I had the hood in place, that might have protected it. The lens was otherwise functional. Not trying to defend its build quality, just offering another data point for consideration.
I’ve also read in many places online where the 200-500 is fairly soft at the 500mm end where I would think many owners tend to use this lens.
Actually, everything I had read in advance of the buying the lens, plus my own experience with shooting it is that it is sharp at 500mm. I shoot it without hesitation at 500mm wide open at f/5.6.
Nikon intended the 200-400 as the final piece in their pro-line series of zooms, re: 14-24, 24-70, and 70-200. Knowing the great reputation of the other lenses in that lineup, it only stands to reason the 200-400 was built to be optically and mechanically as great as the others.

Personally, I think I’m going to pass over both and buy the painfully-expensive latest version of either the 400mm 2.8 or the 500mm f4. (Any thoughts?)
I had commented on the 500E FL, above. Outstanding lens. I bought it used a couple years ago. You can't go wrong with it if you want/need f/4, can bear the cost, and don't mind the size and weight. I shoot it handheld 90% of the time.

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Perhaps the 200-500 sharpens up if you stop down when you are at the long end of the zoom range.
 
What do you shoot? Birds? You might find the 500 f4 'better.

If you read lots in this forum recently, you'll see strong praise for the 500 f4 e fl in posts lately. I'm impressed with it, although I probably prefer the creamy bokeh of the 400 2.8 e fl more, and I try to position myself in relation to my subjects such that I can use the 400 2.8 the most, although the stupidly expensive Nikon 120-300 f/2.8 lens is my most used.

I also have the also stupidly expensive 180-400 f4 TC lens, which replaced one of the 3 copies of the 200-400 f4 lens that I've owned over the years (I sold the first one because I got poor for a while), and the second copy I got used was SO out of whack, that an auto focus fine tune of 20 still wouldn't give me in focus images - not on 5 camera bodies.)

The zoom range of 200-400 f4 is really nice, and very useful for many people (sports, some wildlife), and the added range of the 180-400 f4 with built in TC gives you up to 560mm at f/5.6 when you engage the built-in teleconverter, but my copy was very disappointing with the TC engaged, and if I had only one lens that I could ever use, it might be the 180-400 - but after I became disenchanted with that lens, I bought the tragically unknown 120-300 2.8 (which is rated better by Brad Hill than the 180-400), but then I needed something longer in a two camera setup, so I bought the 500 f/5.6 pf to add to the 120-300 - but that lens needs to be put away SO much sooner at sundown than the f/2.8 lens. The difference between f 5.6 and f 2.8 at sunset is huge.

So then I wanted the highly rated newest (F-mount) version of the 400 2.8, and it had to be the e fl, because I shoot handheld, and the other versions of that lens are SO much heavier - but I couldn't believe how hard that lens was to find.

And then I got lucky on a very good deal on the Nikon 500 f4 e fl. And I was planning on adding a Nikon 600 f4 e fl to package, until the new mirrorless 400 2.8 TC Z lens was announced, and I planned to get that lens to go with my Z9, BUT, I'm disappointed in the ability of the Z9 to get they eyes of my puppies in focus, as well as my D6 or D5 does.

So now I'm back planning to get the 600 f4 e fl as my next lens - but taking 4 big lenses out on 4 cameras at once is a MAJOR logistical nightmare. I actually bought a $6,000 plus tax (Canadian) ebike that converts into a stroller at the flip of a switch to take 4 big lenses and 4 cameras and my puppies out to the park - but haven't used it yet. :-(

And all 4 of those lenses are required to replace the 180-400 f4 TC lens, because I just find it useless beyond 400mm, with the TC engaged, although some people find the drop in sharpness acceptable when the TC is turned on - but others agree with me. Several people that started with that lens have moved on from it, including Brad Hill, I believe, maybe Steve Perry too (I'm not sure about that).
 
The one really great thing about the plastic lens hood on the 200-500 is that it would likel act as a great shock absorber when you drop the lens with it falling hood first. The carbon fibre hoods on the other big primes will likely also be helpful, but that 200-500 hood just seems like a great layer of protection (that can be replaced cheaply).
 
Personally, I think I’m going to pass over both and buy the painfully-expensive latest version of either the 400mm 2.8 or the 500mm f4. (Any thoughts?)
I'm not certain, but I would bet that the latest F-mount Nikon 500mm f/4 is a significantly better lens in almost every way except size and weight than any other Nikon 500mm DSLR lens. If the cost is just painful and not prohibitive, then you are making the right choice, especially if one stop and the superior IQ is something that will really make a difference in actual use. Or even if it won't make a difference but you can afford it and don't mind carrying it around...then, why not? Make yourself happy.

I can imagine special circumstances where its potential superiority would be worth the penalties in cost, weight, and size, but certainly not for me at this stage of my life.

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Actually, everything I had read in advance of the buying the lens, plus my own experience with shooting it is that it is sharp at 500mm. I shoot it without hesitation at 500mm wide open at f/5.6.
Totally agree... I've pushed mine out to 500 (wide open at F5.6) on several occasions... never unhappy with the results.



200-500... @500 F5.6.
200-500... @500 F5.6.
 
Actually, everything I had read in advance of the buying the lens, plus my own experience with shooting it is that it is sharp at 500mm. I shoot it without hesitation at 500mm wide open at f/5.6.
Totally agree... I've pushed mine out to 500 (wide open at F5.6) on several occasions... never unhappy with the results.

200-500... @500 F5.6.
200-500... @500 F5.6.
I to have found it sharp wide open at 500mm although this is stopped down to 6.3.



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Thanks for the info! In other news, I just read where DPreview is closing down. What in the world is Amazon thinking?!
Saving a lot of money! As far as is known, they have fired or will be firing, almost 15,000 employees, so I am not that surprised DPReview has to go as well!
 
Thanks for the info! In other news, I just read where DPreview is closing down. What in the world is Amazon thinking?!
Saving a lot of money! As far as is known, they have fired or will be firing, almost 15,000 employees, so I am not that surprised DPReview has to go as well!
Obviously, the ads floating around this site do not pay the bills. Can't fault a company that wants to be profitable. If they would have placed a $50/year price take on joining DPReview, would people have paid it?
 
Oh - and one thing to remember about the 200-400 f4 - is it is less sharp at the long end of the zoom range - probably from somewhere near 350mm to 400mm. Although I think stopping down half a stop or a full stop when you are at that end of the zoom range might sharpen up your photos. I don't know that the 200-500 exibits this problem. Probably not - and Nikon probably knows that most people will take most shots with this lens at 500mm.
From what I’ve read the 200-500 is weaker at 500mm than the 200-400 is at 400mm.
I read a lot of reviews about the 200-500 that always seem to include the same remark that photogrpahyLife did in it’s review of the 200-500:

“the lens starts out pretty strong at 200mm and its performance degrades towards the long end of the zoom range, which means that at 500mm, the lens suffers the most optically”
Which telephoto zoom doesn't?!
 
“the lens starts out pretty strong at 200mm and its performance degrades towards the long end of the zoom range, which means that at 500mm, the lens suffers the most optically”
Which telephoto zoom doesn't?!
A few "pro grade" Nikons :-)

Lenses like the original 200-400, the Mk II, the 120-300 and to a slight extent the 180-400 each scored highest in Nikon's MTF at the longest telephoto setting.

Has anybody else noticed the 120-300 seems to have recently been discontinued?
 
“the lens starts out pretty strong at 200mm and its performance degrades towards the long end of the zoom range, which means that at 500mm, the lens suffers the most optically”
Which telephoto zoom doesn't?!
A few "pro grade" Nikons :-)

Lenses like the original 200-400, the Mk II, the 120-300 and to a slight extent the 180-400 each scored highest in Nikon's MTF at the longest telephoto setting.

Has anybody else noticed the 120-300 seems to have recently been discontinued?
There is nobody who has spent as much time reviewing the 200-400 lens as Thom Hogan, and I believe he said it was less sharp at 400mm, and I am pretty sure I saw that in my photos. I had the first version, and I don't know if my third copy of that lens was the VR II.

But, yes, I thought my 180-400 was great at 400mm and f4. I just seemed to drop so significantly in image quality once I engaged the teleconverter - and I even notice poorer photos using my Z9, with the TC. But I was very very impressed with the sharpness of my 180-400 at 400mm, and f4. I could very clearly see every hair in sharp definition on my puppies. When I engaged the TC, I lost that. I don't know if stopping down a stop, or using a faster shutter speed would have improved that.

And I think the 120-300 is probably great at 300mm - but I think Nikon has probably had the advantage of more powerful computers to enable them to optimize the new zooms to overcome shortcomings that previous zooms were prone to.

The 120-300 is reported to be sharper than the 300 2.8 VR prime. And I find the 120-300 to be a really great lens.

I can't imagine Nikon discontinuing the 120-300 - unless they are coming out with a mirrorless version of the lens. Nikon goes for long periods of their big prime lenses being out of stock. As I understand it, they set up their production facilities to produce one of the big primes for a time, and then shift production to one of the other big primes - and I expect they made the 120-300 for a while, and not since then.

But the 120-300 is certainly a great lens for things like sports - and I think it's the only F-mount lens that Brad Hill still uses. All his other lenses, I'm pretty sure, are mirrorless.
 
I'm almost certain the 120-300 has not been discontinued. It is, however, hard to find in stock, probably, in some stores. It is 'back ordered' at B&H - but I don't think it's discontinued, because both Nikon.ca and Nikon.com allowed me to add the lens to my cart to buy it from their websites.
 
There is nobody who has spent as much time reviewing the 200-400 lens as Thom Hogan, and I believe he said it was less sharp at 400mm,
Thom eventually mellowed his opinion - possibly because for several years he was the only one to report the issue.
 
Thanks for the info! In other news, I just read where DPreview is closing down. What in the world is Amazon thinking?!
Saving a lot of money! As far as is known, they have fired or will be firing, almost 15,000 employees, so I am not that surprised DPReview has to go as well!
It may not be whether DPR is profitable or not but rather it's a tiny cog in a big machine and may not be worth the trouble in maintaining the cog - ie non-core business with a tiny (may not even be noticeable in a billion dollar business) effect on the overall business in a market where the stock price is rewarded by big layoffs.

In other words, in the current environment, they may be worth more dead than alive to Amazon.
 
I use my 200-500/5,6 when I need the zoomrange, and portability as on safaritrips shooting from a vehicle or a boat. Nowadays I use my 200-400/4 always when i sit in a predatorhide, light is low and I need the 4-aperture.
 
recent member, late to the party.



I have owned the 200-400 and used the 200-500.



The former is very heavy so much less mobile. It is very contrasty with high resolution, but getting consistently good focus is challenging except with Nikon D5-D6.



With higher res cameras, f4 is good but stopping down to 4.5-5 makes a significant improvement in overall sharpness. Just incredibly sharp between f5.6 and 7.1. Af fine tune is +4 closeup, and zed at infinity. I shut off VR when the lens is on a tripod as I obtain more keepers. Hand held I use VR active but af lock-on is a definite issue except with pro cameras.



the 200-500 is more portable, nice color, less contrasty and requires much higher iso generally. Focusing in low light is a challenge. Overall image quality is good not exceptional. I find many prefer the 500 5.6p to the 200-500 for bird photography.
 
Thanks for the info! In other news, I just read where DPreview is closing down. What in the world is Amazon thinking?!
Saving a lot of money! As far as is known, they have fired or will be firing, almost 15,000 employees, so I am not that surprised DPReview has to go as well!
It may not be whether DPR is profitable or not but rather it's a tiny cog in a big machine and may not be worth the trouble in maintaining the cog - ie non-core business with a tiny (may not even be noticeable in a billion dollar business) effect on the overall business in a market where the stock price is rewarded by big layoffs.

In other words, in the current environment, they may be worth more dead than alive to Amazon.
Maybe not worth more dead, but a minimal gain for a vast gross cost, and complication.
 

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