***DPReview Shutdown Thread -Nikon Z -Pt 2**

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In order to prevent a dozen similar threads, this thread will act as the thread to discuss DPR closing its doors in the context of the Nikon Z system. Other threads will be locked. General thoughts also welcome, but hopefully community members can discuss other forum options moving forward.
 
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There wasn't much "where do we go next" options in the previous thread.

Nikonians (pay) and Reddit (not great for photos) were mentioned, but I also suggested Flickr.

There are multiple Z groups, but i'll throw this one out as the current (seemingly) leader for Z discussion

 
There wasn't much "where do we go next" options in the previous thread.

Nikonians (pay) and Reddit (not great for photos) were mentioned, but I also suggested Flickr.

There are multiple Z groups, but i'll throw this one out as the current (seemingly) leader for Z discussion

https://www.flickr.com/groups/3156733@N20/
I just checked out the Flickr group. Not the same as DPReview The forum on DP was so good I will sorely miss it Have joined the Flickr group though anyway
 
I just checked out the Flickr group. Not the same as DPReview The forum on DP was so good I will sorely miss it Have joined the Flickr group though anyway
Definitely not the same; and that's the issue. There is nothing currently that is the same.

This is a petite tragedy.
 
I would hope that another entity such as a camera gear manufacturer would step up and take over hosting.

If Nikon, Sony, Tamron, etc could take over, it'd still benefit everyone IMO.
 
I know this has been brought up before, but I can't believe this is of some concern to the manufacturers.

How much GAS / sales has DPReview created? I have to believe double-digit percentage sales comes from threads on these forums.
I would hope that another entity such as a camera gear manufacturer would step up and take over hosting.

If Nikon, Sony, Tamron, etc could take over, it'd still benefit everyone IMO.
 
I would hope that another entity such as a camera gear manufacturer would step up and take over hosting.

If Nikon, Sony, Tamron, etc could take over, it'd still benefit everyone IMO.
The Crazy thisis that Amazon is one of the largest "Hosting" companies with AWS. This is a nit. Surely they could host, and provide some admin coverage, to allow the Forums to continue, and on the volume alone would generate enough income/sales to cover the cost. Ugh.
 
There wasn't much "where do we go next" options in the previous thread.

Nikonians (pay) and Reddit (not great for photos) were mentioned, but I also suggested Flickr.

There are multiple Z groups, but i'll throw this one out as the current (seemingly) leader for Z discussion

https://www.flickr.com/groups/3156733@N20/
There are options out there, it will be interesting to see which one 'sticks.' I know FM is popular, though paid, as is Nikonians. nikoncommunity.com is one that is just getting started but may yet take hold, and is not paid.
 
I really hope something good comes out of this unfortunate and unwelcome demise of DPR - like Flickr coming back to life somewhat...but I kinda doubt it.

I do subscribe annually to both Flickr and Nikonians...and I get more than my money's worth. But nothing is ever going to come close to being what DPR came to be and meant to generations of photography fans, enthusiasts and pros alike.
 
I would hope that another entity such as a camera gear manufacturer would step up and take over hosting.

If Nikon, Sony, Tamron, etc could take over, it'd still benefit everyone IMO.
The Crazy thisis that Amazon is one of the largest "Hosting" companies with AWS. This is a nit. Surely they could host, and provide some admin coverage, to allow the Forums to continue, and on the volume alone would generate enough income/sales to cover the cost. Ugh.
As has been noted, Amazon's "core" business, on-line retail and devices, is losing money big time: $25B in their last annual report. It's AWS that's keeping Amazon in the black. DPR doesn't contribute anything meaningful to AMZ's bottom line.

Hogan noted that just keeping the site up would be extremely difficult - DPR is database driven and databases are notoriously hard to archive. Looking at DPR's staff, at least 3 full-time programmers are needed to maintain the site. Currently the site is estimated to cost AMZ $3+M/year without the sales volume or potential sales growth to justify it.

The only recourse would be to charge for forum membership...which is the kiss of death for the kind of traffic the site enjoys. But it would reveal what the core support for DPR's product is.

Personally, I would NOT want a manufacturer-hosted DPR. There are too many of those and they all tend to be tightly managed for favorable content. AMZ apparently engaged in a bit of that on this site as well.
 
I just checked out the Flickr group. Not the same as DPReview The forum on DP was so good I will sorely miss it Have joined the Flickr group though anyway
Definitely not the same; and that's the issue. There is nothing currently that is the same.

This is a petite tragedy.

Seeing that some of the staff of DP have already moved on, it may be difficult to "save" the site. I don't know PetaPixel, but maybe they can make some acceptable arrangements with Amazon and save years of irreplaceable content.
 
I would hope that another entity such as a camera gear manufacturer would step up and take over hosting.

If Nikon, Sony, Tamron, etc could take over, it'd still benefit everyone IMO.
The Crazy thisis that Amazon is one of the largest "Hosting" companies with AWS. This is a nit. Surely they could host, and provide some admin coverage, to allow the Forums to continue, and on the volume alone would generate enough income/sales to cover the cost. Ugh.
As has been noted, Amazon's "core" business, on-line retail and devices, is losing money big time: $25B in their last annual report. It's AWS that's keeping Amazon in the black. DPR doesn't contribute anything meaningful to AMZ's bottom line.
Hogan noted that just keeping the site up would be extremely difficult - DPR is database driven and databases are notoriously hard to archive. Looking at DPR's staff, at least 3 full-time programmers are needed to maintain the site. Currently the site is estimated to cost AMZ $3+M/year without the sales volume or potential sales growth to justify it.
The only recourse would be to charge for forum membership...which is the kiss of death for the kind of traffic the site enjoys. But it would reveal what the core support for DPR's product is.
Personally, I would NOT want a manufacturer-hosted DPR. There are too many of those and they all tend to be tightly managed for favorable content. AMZ apparently engaged in a bit of that on this site as well.
is it time to call Elon yet. He seems to have a little extra cash laying around.
 
I would hope that another entity such as a camera gear manufacturer would step up and take over hosting.

If Nikon, Sony, Tamron, etc could take over, it'd still benefit everyone IMO.
The Crazy thisis that Amazon is one of the largest "Hosting" companies with AWS. This is a nit. Surely they could host, and provide some admin coverage, to allow the Forums to continue, and on the volume alone would generate enough income/sales to cover the cost. Ugh.
As has been noted, Amazon's "core" business, on-line retail and devices, is losing money big time: $25B in their last annual report. It's AWS that's keeping Amazon in the black. DPR doesn't contribute anything meaningful to AMZ's bottom line.
Hogan noted that just keeping the site up would be extremely difficult - DPR is database driven and databases are notoriously hard to archive. Looking at DPR's staff, at least 3 full-time programmers are needed to maintain the site. Currently the site is estimated to cost AMZ $3+M/year without the sales volume or potential sales growth to justify it.
The only recourse would be to charge for forum membership...which is the kiss of death for the kind of traffic the site enjoys. But it would reveal what the core support for DPR's product is.
Personally, I would NOT want a manufacturer-hosted DPR. There are too many of those and they all tend to be tightly managed for favorable content. AMZ apparently engaged in a bit of that on this site as well.
is it time to call Elon yet. He seems to have a little extra cash laying around.
Yes! Amazon could care less about the history here Elon could help save this platform…if anyone has a way to contact him
 
I know that Amazon bought DPR in 2007 but does anyone remember when Phil Askey sold it an it was moved from being based in the UK to Seattle and who was the owner then, just thinking about when I discovered DPR in 2001, very sad to see it go, it was one of the first websites I visited on my old dialup connection.
 
I will surely also miss DPR. :-(

It has been my daily go-to photography site. It is here I have posted most of my lens tests etc.

One of the unique things which has been valuable to me (and surely many others) is the camera test studio scene, where we easily can compare resolution, high ISO noise etc. between several cameras. I haven't seen anything like that anywhere else. Just loosing that resource is truly a loss for the photography community.
 

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