on what camera?
And I'll keep hoping for an M300 with USB-C charging, face tracking in AF-servo and non-cropped 4k
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How can we understand this statement from Canon regarding M?
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I would buy that M300 if it also had a fully articulating LCD screen as well.I'm trying to decide if I need anything besides the RF16, RF50 (which I already have) and the RF24-50 kit lens. I mostly use the 22mm and 32mm lenses on my M6II, the 22mm mostly for its size. The equivalent RF35 is a lot larger, so I'm tempted to use the RF16 and crop in post.
And I'll keep hoping for an M300 with USB-C charging, face tracking in AF-servo and non-cropped 4k
Using a 16mm lens on the R8 and cropping it to match the 35mm field of view only leaves you with 5 megapixels on a sensor area smaller than m4/3. This crop puts your aperture equivalence at f/6.3. In other words, the 24-50mm f/4.5-6.3 will produce a far better image than cropping the 16mm.
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That was my feeling as well, the 24-50 hits a sweet spot for when I want to bring a proper camera, but not lug around the R5.
The RF16 on the R5 did quite well last year on vacation, but I didn’t always bring it due to the bulk. But when I did bring it, the results were significantly better than my phone, even after cropping. That improves my motivation for this year
Years ago, a Canon exec used the catch phrase "full lineup strategy", meaning a camera model to fit the needs of every type of customer.Agree with you entirely. Here’s my own take regarding Canon’s approach with EOS R:
What Canon is doing here is providing the consumer with options that span the Entire Marketplace. Literally flooding it. And all of the new R cameras are tied together by the growing library of RF lenses, and the game-changer which is DIGIC X (and all of the capabilities that this core technology gives to such a growing assortment of camera models). The most recent releases are now beginning to appeal to those in the EOS M market. There’s of course still enough separation (at this early point) that M remains a very viable choice for many folks (including most of us
This hugely successful business model (of flooding the market with variations) has been applied by businesses of all types throughout history. One just needs to go to the grocery store to see it in action. Check the laundry detergent aisle, or soda pop, or cereal aisles. How about the exploding “sports drink” section?!
I think this is a winning approach for both Canon and us. If all of these products were merely mediocre, then they might in fact be “over-extending,” but holy cow these cameras really Rock.
The RF 16mm was a very nice lens with only minor IQ limitations during my RP experiment. However, I prefer EF-M 11-22 mm.That was my feeling as well, the 24-50 hits a sweet spot for when I want to bring a proper camera, but not lug around the R5.
The RF16 on the R5 did quite well last year on vacation, but I didn’t always bring it due to the bulk. But when I did bring it, the results were significantly better than my phone, even after cropping. That improves my motivation for this year
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The 11-22mm is definitely a more user friendly lens. It's got IS, it can zoom from ultrawide to a normal-ish field of view and it has very good image quality. However, the RF 16mm on an EOS R has got a slight, but noticeable edge on ultimate image quality over the 11-22mm on an M100, and a wider angle. That means it can sometimes do stuff the zoom can't (more often the zoom can do stuff the prime can't), but makes it harder, possibly more rewarding, work. The 11-22mm virtually lives on one of my M cameras. I took my 16mm on holiday rather than my 16-35mm, but it doesn't live on my camera to the extent that the 11-22mm does.The RF 16mm was a very nice lens with only minor IQ limitations during my RP experiment. However, I prefer EF-M 11-22 mm.That was my feeling as well, the 24-50 hits a sweet spot for when I want to bring a proper camera, but not lug around the R5.
The RF16 on the R5 did quite well last year on vacation, but I didn’t always bring it due to the bulk. But when I did bring it, the results were significantly better than my phone, even after cropping. That improves my motivation for this year
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I look forward to getting my R8Oops, forget to mention ‘R8’
The RF 16 looks like a lens I'll get to complement the Rf 24-105 F4L
the 11-22 and 32 on my M6II also give something special
I can easily take all of this in one of my medium sized bags
Canon recently released their "2023 Corporate Strategy Conference: Imaging Group" documents.
They don't contain a single word or graphic about M. The R50 is included though.
In contrast, M was included in their 2019 strategy documents.
I doubt that we will ever see a "new improved" M model.
They don't contain a single word or graphic about M. The R50 is included though.
In contrast, M was included in their 2019 strategy documents.
I doubt that we will ever see a "new improved" M model.
As "uninformed" consumer we are ready to stop buying what we need :
Find us another camera as small as and as capable as m6 mk2 (+22mm f2), we shall move to the new one.
If my camera is broken, I may wish a few more features and a few improvements for mk3 (if there is one).
Honestly there are enough lenses for my needs .
I do not collect lenses & gear, I collect views & memories. I guess there other uninformed ones like me. And Canon appreciates their existance.
Find us another camera as small as and as capable as m6 mk2 (+22mm f2), we shall move to the new one.
If my camera is broken, I may wish a few more features and a few improvements for mk3 (if there is one).
Honestly there are enough lenses for my needs .
I do not collect lenses & gear, I collect views & memories. I guess there other uninformed ones like me. And Canon appreciates their existance.
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Seeing as you are here and know about the system it wasn't referring to you. If you want more of a response see my response to the other guy.
Along with the M6 II that was discontinued last summer, the M200 is now on the official Canon list of discontinued products
https://cweb.canon.jp/eos/lineup/old-products/
The M50 II (Kiss M2) is currently the only M model that is not discontinued. For comparison, the SL3 (Kiss X10), T7 (Kiss X90), T8i (Kiss X10i) and 90D DSLRs which share much of their parts with the discontinued M models are all still available.
In broader numbers this is what is listed as current for each mount from Canon Japan:
https://cweb.canon.jp/eos/lineup/old-products/
The M50 II (Kiss M2) is currently the only M model that is not discontinued. For comparison, the SL3 (Kiss X10), T7 (Kiss X90), T8i (Kiss X10i) and 90D DSLRs which share much of their parts with the discontinued M models are all still available.
In broader numbers this is what is listed as current for each mount from Canon Japan:
- EF/EF-S DSLR - 7 models
- EF-M - 1 model
- RF - 10 models
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That's a shame. I thought it would be a nice replacement for the PowerShot G7X series, both being small cameras with no viewfinder hand no hot shoe.
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The only thing replacing a G7 X is a G7 X with a higher number.
And the model name R50 makes it clear what will eventually happen to the M50.
But hey - unless Canon does an Apple - and forces some firmware update on our M series cameras without us knowing to limit them - they will all keep working just as nicely as before ;-) That R50 has no place I can see in my bag...
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