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Any experience with LP-E17 battery and alternative (R8/RP)?

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Hi
I am searching for battery for my next R8, so there is the LP-E17 an its alternative (Artman, powerextra, neewer, enegon, k&f concept etc...)
I know that Canon prefer us to buy "genuine" battery, but the fact is with my 7D, I bought x5 batteries (LP-E6), x2 where "genuine" x3 where from anonymous brand ... and it was the Canon ones who in the end died.
What are you experience with these alternatives brand and the RP ?
Thanks
 
I don’t know about alternatives, but we have two for an RP and two for an M6II. All are performing as good as new. Two are over three years old and two are almost two years maybe?



I don’t miss the couple extra bucks from years ago considering the reliability we’ve enjoyed.
 
When I looked around, I could only find ‘partially decided’ batteries, which don’t show a charge level in the camera or batteries with a big warning ‘DO NOT CHARGE WITH CANON CHARGER’.

Both of those are a dealbreaker for me, so I only use 1st party ones. Of the 5 I have, one suddenly died, the other 4 are still performing well after 4 years. I had expected better!

I really like the ability to charge the batteries in the camera over usb-c PD, I don’t want to go back to needing a separate charging brick.
 
Guenther_Film said:
ENEGON LP E17:

"capacity:1500mAh" is technically impossible for that form factor.

regards.
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Yes, that’s par for the course for third party batteries.”, they always seriously exaggerate. The good news is that so far they are getting about the same number of shots as the canon battery and I can charge them with just a USB-c cable.
 
I got this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P1DHL1X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Works without errors with Canon EOS RP. It is detected as a DR-E18 Canon DC Coupler ("dummy battery") and not as a battery. Consequently, it doesn't give any warning when battery gets low - just says "Replace the battery" when battery is depleted. Charges via USB-C (has both Micro-USB and USB-C connectors).

Artman charger charges OEM LP-E17 batteries from Canon. *** However, the opposite is not true: Artman batteries cannot be charged by Canon charger - when you put Artman battery in Canon charger the LED on Canon charger doesn't light up. ***
 
koenkooi said:
When I looked around, I could only find ‘partially decided’ batteries ...
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I do have one fully decoded LP E-17; Patona Platinum series, wo. USB-loading. They were sold immediately, and I've never seen those since 2021. Show battery level in M3.
 
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koenkooi said:
When I looked around, I could only find ‘partially decided’ batteries ...
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I do have one fully decoded LP E-17; Patona Platinum series, wo. USB-loading. They were sold immediately, and I've never seen those since 2021. Show battery level in M3.
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I looked at the Patona website last week and could only find partially decoded variants. I hope the variant you have becomes available again!
 
I've been using third party party batteries since my first Canon DSLR, the D30 in 2001. In 2018 I bought an SL2 that takes the LP-E17 along with 2 Oaproda brand. Today, the Oaproda batteries hold a charge better than the Canon one.

It *is* an inconvenience that you can't charge them in the Canon charger, but that inconvenience is mitigated by the third party charger charging two at once and being able to charge the Canon batteries. Now I only use the Canon charger if I need to charge more than two at once.
 
BirdShooter7 said:
jwilliams said:
BirdShooter7 said:
I’ve been using these with my R10 for the past couple of months. So far so good.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09YM23WDL?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
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Do these show battery life correctly on the camera?

I bought a similar style battery from Neewer for my R. The USBC charging directly on the battery is a great idea I think.
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No, unfortunately they don’t. So far I haven’t been able to find an aftermarket substitute that does
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Bummer. Seems these LP-E17 batteries are more complicated than most batteries as far as being complete replacements.

Are there any LP-E17replacements that correctly show battery life and charge in camera or via USB like those?

I think this might be the time I just pony up the money and buy one factory new battery. Seems nobody has really cracked the code for duplicating these.

BTW, the Newer battery with USB charging you recommended works great in my R.

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Jonathan
 
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BirdShooter7 said:
I’ve been using these with my R10 for the past couple of months. So far so good.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09YM23WDL?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
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I bought 2 of the above referenced batteries. They work in my RP and a M5. In the M5 there is no battery indication at all. In the RP they show a full battery initially but the battery meter doesn't work. It goes from showing full to the camera suddenly quitting.

So they work, but you have no idea when they are about to run out of juice. I'll just use them for emergencies. I don't do video or shoot a lot of shots in a day so a freshly charged battery usually lasts the day. I'll use the Canon battery normally and if I do run out I'll be sure to have one of these charged in my bag for times like that.
 
Hi
jwilliams said:
I bought 2 of the above referenced batteries. They work in my RP and a M5. In the M5 there is no battery indication at all. In the RP they show a full battery initially but the battery meter doesn't work. It goes from showing full to the camera suddenly quitting.

So they work, but you have no idea when they are about to run out of juice. I'll just use them for emergencies. I don't do video or shoot a lot of shots in a day so a freshly charged battery usually lasts the day. I'll use the Canon battery normally and if I do run out I'll be sure to have one of these charged in my bag for times like that.
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From what I read, I think I will go for a Canon one as primary back-up and a cheap one as secondary back-up.

I think having the charge indicator is quite mandatory with such a small battery, at least for the first two (main & primary back-up),

After that, if I am still using the camera and have to use the third battery the same day, I do not think the charge indicator will be needed at this state.

Thanks
 
jwilliams said:
jwilliams said:
jwilliams said:
jwilliams said:
BirdShooter7 said:
I’ve been using these with my R10 for the past couple of months. So far so good.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09YM23WDL?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
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I bought 2 of the above referenced batteries. They work in my RP and a M5. In the M5 there is no battery indication at all. In the RP they show a full battery initially but the battery meter doesn't work. It goes from showing full to the camera suddenly quitting.
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Yes, same here. Not ideal but I’ve not found a 3rd party battery (LP-E17) where the battery level indicator works properly.

jwilliams said:
So they work, but you have no idea when they are about to run out of juice. I'll just use them for emergencies. I don't do video or shoot a lot of shots in a day so a freshly charged battery usually lasts the day. I'll use the Canon battery normally and if I do run out I'll be sure to have one of these charged in my bag for times like that.
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Solinthor said:
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Solinthor said:
I bought 2 of the above referenced batteries. They work in my RP and a M5. In the M5 there is no battery indication at all. In the RP they show a full battery initially but the battery meter doesn't work. It goes from showing full to the camera suddenly quitting.

So they work, but you have no idea when they are about to run out of juice. I'll just use them for emergencies. I don't do video or shoot a lot of shots in a day so a freshly charged battery usually lasts the day. I'll use the Canon battery normally and if I do run out I'll be sure to have one of these charged in my bag for times like that.
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From what I read, I think I will go for a Canon one as primary back-up and a cheap one as secondary back-up.

I think having the charge indicator is quite mandatory with such a small battery, at least for the first two (main & primary back-up),

After that, if I am still using the camera and have to use the third battery the same day, I do not think the charge indicator will be needed at this state.

Thanks
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Yes definitely the OEM batteries are best, especially for the battery indicator reason. For me, the good thing about the LP-E17’s is that they are very small physically so I can carry the second one in my pocket without really feeling it so when the first battery dies I can swap it out very quickly. It works for me but definitely won’t work for everyone.
 
Solinthor said:
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Solinthor said:
I bought 2 of the above referenced batteries. They work in my RP and a M5. In the M5 there is no battery indication at all. In the RP they show a full battery initially but the battery meter doesn't work. It goes from showing full to the camera suddenly quitting.

So they work, but you have no idea when they are about to run out of juice. I'll just use them for emergencies. I don't do video or shoot a lot of shots in a day so a freshly charged battery usually lasts the day. I'll use the Canon battery normally and if I do run out I'll be sure to have one of these charged in my bag for times like that.
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From what I read, I think I will go for a Canon one as primary back-up and a cheap one as secondary back-up.

I think having the charge indicator is quite mandatory with such a small battery, at least for the first two (main & primary back-up),

After that, if I am still using the camera and have to use the third battery the same day, I do not think the charge indicator will be needed at this state.

Thanks
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Yeah, they're unfortunately mostly good for emergency use. For me I rarely use up a battery in a day and I've never burnt thru 2 and needed third so If I just use the Canon battery as the primary then one of these can be my emergency backup.

Too bad nobody seems to be able to figure out the electronics for these batteries. The USBC charging right on the battery is nice and these particular ones come in a 2 pack with a USBA to dual USBC connector cable so you can charge both at one time.

For backup and emergency use they are OK,.
 
THIS is what you gotta find - mostly listed as not available:



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Patona - not he USB-C version-------------!
 
Bear in mind that the R8 has better (lower) power consumption compared to the RP, due to Digic X. You may find that having one extra genuine battery meets your needs.
 
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