Oh, I wasn't criticizing DxO for not having a profile for THAT lens, but generally for many lenses, including, as I mentioned, almost all Voigtlander lenses, including the popular 50mm F2, which I have. Fortunately, that lens doesn't require significant correction. But, you are correct, DxO ignores manual focus lenses, even those that are reasonably popular.Yes.No,The photo below was made with a lens that was incorrectly reported by the camera and thus DxO was unable to apply a profile for Lens Sharpness.DxO lens corrections are very good, but print making usually requires additional sharpening and not just output sharpening. The photo below was trash coming out of DxO; the detail was smeared by the noise reduction.There's nothing "rudimentary" about DxO's profile-based Lens Sharpness. It applies stronger sharpening in areas where a given lens model is known to be softer. Try that with any other app. In my view this is all that's needed for capture sharpening.Whatever capture sharpening is applied by DxO isn't a complete solution, as you note. In fact, DxO has a separate independent sharpening module, which strongly suggests that DxO understands the limitations of whatever sharpening is automatically applied.OTOH, DxO's lens profiles apply excellent capture sharpening. For creative and output sharpening, I rely on Lightroom.Noise reduction and sharpening for detail are two sides of the same coin. While Photolab 6 noise reduction of RAW files is excellent and I use it whereber possible, PL 6 lacks the best sharpening routines.Yes, I'm happy with DxO PhotoLab v6.
Moderately happy with Topaz Denoise AI, but I would only use it on images that I can't process using DeepPRIME (i.e. non-raw images).
For many files the sharpening of Topaz software and in some cases Luminar Neo will provide a better overall result. I print almost exclusively on13x19" and 17x22" papers and occasionally on 17x25".
Sharpening in Photoshop is not the same as Lightroom and Photoshop has no dedicated output sharpening.
Depending on the photo if I want the best quality sharpening, following whatever rudimentary sharpening is applied by DxO
For creative sharpening, DxO's USM combined with U-point local adjustments is pretty versatile.
Nobody offers lens-specific sharpening for that lens. The example you're using to criticize DxO is an outlier. With most lenses, DxO does apply "additional sharpening and not just output sharpening". Adobe offers this feature for exactly zero lenses. In fact, nobody other than DxO is offering this feature for any lens.5as with many lenses, DxO has no profile for that fisheye lens.
Rest assured, following noise removal of high-noise files, the newer AI software sharpening routines can be FAR better that what is currently provided by Adobe, although I believe Adobe Lightroom may be looking into AI development for noise removal and sharpening.My experience is different. The combination of capture sharpening via Lens Sharpness and output sharpening via Lightroom's Export module is generally sufficient. If the lens is soft, as my FZ1000 MkII's can be, I'll apply fine sharpening USM in Lightroom. I could just as easily do that in DxO PhotoLab, but the masking slider in Lightroom's USM makes this tool a bit better.But, noise reduction was applied in DxO, which is very good. Even if there had been a DxO lens profile, it would not have brought up sufficient detail for this shot, in my experience.
Trashing? That's an absurd way to look at legitimate criticism, even if you personally disagree. DxO has good noise reduction and some other features. The software isn't a one-stop solution and works best only for lenses in its database. That's an observation and opinion, not trashing or trolling. As I mentioned, I have had the DxO software for years. It has value, but is not an end-all be-all. Speaking of trolling, Jacques . . .There are a lot of lenses hitting the market these days, including relatively obscure manual-focus ones. DxO has to devote its limited resources to the ones with the largest user bases. I've got a couple of Samyang AF primes for FE mount for which DxO does not yet have profiles. I've put in requests to DxO, but I'm not publicly trashing the company about it because, for the vast majority of my work, PhotoLab is stills hands-down the best tool for me.It irritates me that despite repeated requests over the years, DxO ignores development of lens profiles for several relatively popular Voigtlander lenses (not this photo).
Not really. It was a noisy file.and an unrepresentative oneWhat detail there is was restored using Topaz sharpening. True, this was an extreme case
And, how is that? Look, Jacques, DxO has its uses, which is why I have subscribed for years, but DxO has limitations that prevent it from being a one-stop panacea. For example, the algorithm of the shadow slider washes out contrast before you bring up shadows very far. Adobe RAW and Neo both work better for that. Bottom line is DxO works well as a single solution if you don’t intend significant manipulation and the file doesn’t need much sharpening. Heck, I can make due with Photoshop only for files I never intend to print.That may be. But, in this case, you are not taking full advantage of DxO's capabilities., but I find additional sharpening using Topaz and sometimes Neo can make a big difference in prints.
I use Photoshop, but not Lightroom.I used to use PhotoKit Sharpener for output sharpening until I read that much of the tech behind it had been shared by the devs with Adobe and incorporated into Lightroom's output sharpening in the Export module., I will use Topaz or Neo. This is particularly effective for high ISO. I will also do an output sharpening for inkjet printing some photos with either NIK or the old Photokit output sharpener.
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