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Zeiss loxia 50 vs Voigtlander 50 f2.0 APO
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Indeed TIM, the 65 2 never comes of 1 of my wonderful a7iii, the other others 3 have the 50 2. Maybe some would not thing 15mm are completely separate tools. They are , and to bpatient. Great comment. Half the price.
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The APO without question, it’s sharper, better corrected (Hence APO) and I personally prefer the rendering overall just not for stopped down bokeh where it gets a bit funky. But it’s also +66% more expensive where I live.
I personally not a huge fan of Loxia physical controls but it’s a personal thing and has a bit longer throw as already mentioned by others.
Loxia do have a sealing at the mount, Voigtländer dos not. So something to be aware off.
The best loxia is probably also more like the 21 and 85.
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mferencz
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and the 25 which is probably the best of the bunch. 21 and 85 are stellar too.
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From what I have read, Loxia 85 is the sharpest among Loxia line. In addition 25mm is not needed if already have 21mm. I replaced Loxia 21 with CV 21/1.4 Nokton, much sharper especially at edges and also 2-stop faster, heavier however. Maybe my copy of Loxia 21 is not good.
In my side by side test, Loxia 85 and CV 65/2.0 APO is basically tied that I cannot tell difference in sharpness. In some trips I only carried prime lenses - 14 GM (repalced CV 12), CV 21/1.4, CV 40/1.2 and Loxia 85 (left CV 65 at home as that FL basically coverred by Loxia 85).
mferencz
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I have the 25 and the 85. 85 very well might be sharper, but the 25 has a bit more Zeiss punch to color and contrast. It's a special lens.
#783. Reviewing the Zeiss Loxia 25 - DearSusan
'That the rendering is subtle while it is extremely sharp, it doesn’t look it. Rendering is soft and delicate by default.'
I love my 85 but the 25 has it beat. Better than my 24GM in a number of ways.
#783. Reviewing the Zeiss Loxia 25 - DearSusan
'That the rendering is subtle while it is extremely sharp, it doesn’t look it. Rendering is soft and delicate by default.'
I love my 85 but the 25 has it beat. Better than my 24GM in a number of ways.
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The 65 2 stays on 1 of my stellar a73. .It's distance is 9.5 and one can create wonderful bokeh. As well as the 50 2 apo. It's a mini maco.
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I never owned Loxia 25, but 21, 35 and 85. They all have Zeiss punchy colors and contrast. L85 is clearly sharpest that I still keep. I replaced L21 and L35 with CV 21/1.4 and 40/1.2 respectively, not only CV much sharper especially at edges but much faster, but I do miss Zeiss punchy color a bit although can compensate a bit in post processing.
https://dustinabbott.net/2019/03/zeiss-loxia-85mm-f2-4-sonnar-review/
https://dustinabbott.net/2019/04/zeiss-loxia-25mm-f2-4-distagon-review/
If you read DA reviews above, although he never did side by side test (two lenses have very different FLs) but you can feel from his opinions that L85 is sharper. No surprise as usually 85mm primes are sharper than 21~28 primes. In my side by side test, L85 basically as sharp as CV 65/2.0 APO as their FLs are much closer that itself means L85 is very sharp as CV 65 (as well CV 50/2.0 APO) is well known one of sharpest lenses below 100mm FL.
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Is it "really" sharper, or is this simply due to the strong filed curvature of the Loxia 21?
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Could be both or my Loxia 21 was a bad copy.
If everything is at infinity, then the edges will be soft, because of the strong field curvature of the Loxia 21. But it can also work to your advantage: if you focus on infinity (or near infinity to maximize DOF) and have foreground elements near you at the lower edge of the image (as is usual for landscapes) then these will be razor sharp. More so, than if you had used a lens with a more flat rendering.
It's the one drawback of this otherwise quite perfect lens. Sometimes I am tempted to replace it with a Voigtlander 21mm like you did.
I've recently got the Loxia 21mm and the field curvature is driving me crazy. I was hoping to use it for astro as the coma/corner sharpness seems quite good but there seems to be no way to get everything at infinity in focus at f2.8. Even landscape shots are frustrating as it always seems to be a tradeoff to get acceptable sharpness across the frame. It's a shame as it's razor sharp, great colours and lovely build quality
Talking about field curvature, the Voigtlander 21 F1.4 is day and night better in this category, however, for Astro, that's a horrible lens, the coma is so bad you will still see it until F2.8, so pretty useless for Astro, it's a super sharp lens with great local contrast and rendering though, but I will never use it for Astro. Iin general I consider the Voigtlander 21 1.4 a much better lens in my opinion.I've recently got the Loxia 21mm and the field curvature is driving me crazy. I was hoping to use it for astro as the coma/corner sharpness seems quite good but there seems to be no way to get everything at infinity in focus at f2.8. Even landscape shots are frustrating as it always seems to be a tradeoff to get acceptable sharpness across the frame. It's a shame as it's razor sharp, great colours and lovely build quality
The new Sigma 20 F1.4 DN DG is my new favor for Astro, i like it even better than my Sony 20 F1.8, it's sharper, and it has a MF lock which is a great great feature for this application, also very easy to use lens heater, so highly recommended for anyone looking for an astro lens. 20mm is one my main focal length so I own quite a few of those.
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When I got Loxia 21, I did most cityscape photos in Manhattan for example and didn't notice that, as buildings in crowded space not in remote horizonal but surrounding you. But then I noticed this severe field curvature issue in a trip in landscape photos with vast open space. Despite I usually stopped down to F9, the edges are still mushy from this lens. Maybe my copy was not great but CV 21/1.4 is just much sharper especially at edges, also 2-stop faster but noticeably heavier.I've recently got the Loxia 21mm and the field curvature is driving me crazy. I was hoping to use it for astro as the coma/corner sharpness seems quite good but there seems to be no way to get everything at infinity in focus at f2.8. Even landscape shots are frustrating as it always seems to be a tradeoff to get acceptable sharpness across the frame. It's a shame as it's razor sharp, great colours and lovely build quality
Bokeh and background rendering are not great that fast portrait AF lenses can do better but is OK.
CV 21/1.4
It still has excellent sunstars nevertheless as Loxia 21, 12-point however that some prefer while I am neutral either 10 or 12-point but strongly not favor in Sony's busy 22-point sunstars and not need to stop down that much with Loxia and CV lenses in this area.
CV 21/1.4
But I did miss Loxia punchy colors a bit
Loxia 21
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I´m considering to add a 50 mm manual prime to my set to supplement my FE 35F1.4 GM. and fill the gap to the FE 70-200F4. Use is mainly landscape.
I think I will get the Loxia because I can find it very cheap used (half the price of the Voightlander), although I realize that the voightlander APO is probably the better lens in many ways. Still the Loxia images that I see continue to attract me.
What concerns me a bit about the Voightlander is the fact that the lens extends when focussing and fact that it´s not weather sealed. I often photograph at the beach and coast, so there is risk of sand/dust and salt water spray. I´m afraid it will easily get into the lens mechanism during normal use. Any user experience on this? How does the Voightlander hold over time w.r.t. moisture and dust?
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I think I will get the Loxia because I can find it very cheap used (half the price of the Voightlander), although I realize that the voightlander APO is probably the better lens in many ways. Still the Loxia images that I see continue to attract me.
What concerns me a bit about the Voightlander is the fact that the lens extends when focussing and fact that it´s not weather sealed. I often photograph at the beach and coast, so there is risk of sand/dust and salt water spray. I´m afraid it will easily get into the lens mechanism during normal use. Any user experience on this? How does the Voightlander hold over time w.r.t. moisture and dust?
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