A7IV can't shoot 30fps h.265? is this a joke?

I think it depends a bit how you shoot, I think the old days of shooting is to take out your camera when you have a very noteworthy event to shoot, but the new style of shooting is to take way more/longer videos than you would ever dream of taking in the analogue days.
disagree.
For example, let's say your kid plays basketball 3 times a week and for fun I want to record the entire games from a tripod, that might be an hour, that would be 500 hours of footage over the course of 3 years. at 200mbs(25MBs) that would be 45 TB of harddrive space for just 1 single hobby.
This is a highly unrealistic scenario. For one recording a match from a single tripod makes no sense, second there is no way anyone is gonna watch 3 kid games of basketball, and then those 3 matches all over again at a later date, x 52 weeks, or 500 hours, which btw is nearly a month of continuous watching. I am a film enthusiast and have watched 1000 films in 15 years, on that metric you would spend 4 years watching those 500 hours
In this modern style of shooting you don't necessarily sit there any watch it all one day. I record every entire kayak trip I go on (2 angles), every motorcycle ride (2 angles), bring my drone everytime I go to certain beaches, record every basketball game (we play halfcourt so a tripod is fine), record some entire hikes.

..I can do this because all of my 3 action cams and my drone can record h265, so it's really efficient yet still retains the quality if I later decide to make something out of portions. It's only my Sony camera that's collecting dust, partially because my A7C doesn't do h.265, and partially because of all the other Sony baggage that comes with it.

but am I'm planning on doing a kayaking-marathon where I sit down to watch 40 hours of kayaking in realtime? no, but I still want to keep the video, either for memories or for later on deciding that maybe I want to make some sort of compilation video for Youtube
That’s understandable, but an entire trail in GoPro is not comparable to a static little league recording. The former can be sped up or cut, the latter makes no sense to speed up, and even if there is something exciting going on, you probably don’t have the right angle.

regardless, if something was noteworthy you probably want to salvage it immediately afterwards, so it doesn’t get lost in your vast library.
 
Who cares. Shoot in H.264 or 24p. Nobody will know the difference either way. Hell shoot 1080 30. Nobody will care.
It really does a world of difference, the reason many people think that 4k isn't that much different from 1080p is because they haven't tried an OLED monitor yet, on OLED's the difference is insane. I was considering mixing my 4k footage with 1080p so that I can do the occational 120fps slowmo, and yes on a regular monitor you could probably get away with that, but on the OLED the difference is just too massive.

24p is unusable, it works for hollywood where panning is rare, but if you bring your camera out on a walk on a gimbal (where you're pretty much constantly panning around), if you set it to 180 degree shutter speed the result is just way too motion-blurred. You can set it to 90 degree shutter speed but then the movement looks choppy instead. 30p really is the perfect balance.
There shouldn't be a need to justify using a camera setting that should exist in the first place.
Might as well say that shooting raw is pointless, or even go as far as saying "just use your phone, no one cares". I care. I care so much that I wouldn't buy the A7IV if it couldn't do 4k 60p.
 
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This. I always think it's weird when people are dismissive of use cases just because they don't match their own priorities. It's a big world and people work in lots of different ways. Features that accommodate them (like making the same framerates available in one codec that are already being offered in others) aren't crazy to ask for when there's no downside to other users.

The answer to "who cares" is always "someone."
 
This. I always think it's weird when people are dismissive of use cases just because they don't match their own priorities. It's a big world and people work in lots of different ways. Features that accommodate them (like making the same framerates available in one codec that are already being offered in others) aren't crazy to ask for when there's no downside to other users.

The answer to "who cares" is always "someone."
I agree, I see this attitude all over the place in vastly different fields, and it's infuriating. That mindset seems involved in a lot of software and hardware design. Some "engineer" somewhere deciding what should and shouldn't be possible based on a vague idea of "use case".

30p is the standard, 24p is only a relic of film and film projectors and has no relevance to the typical usage of our cameras, creating content for viewing on computer screens. The entire Olympics were streamed in 30p not 24p and not 60p!

Sony's "People will plug their cameras into Bravia TVs so they need 60p" is ridiculous, and even if it were true it's not a reason to only allow 30p for 264 encoding. How is 24p for HEVC somehow better? How does any of that even make sense?
 
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I shoot in 30p quite a bit over 24p but I would still consider 60p to the standard for anything live. I would also bet that the source material for the Olympics was shot in 60p but they chose to stream in 30p for reasons of bandwidth and easier device playback.

Hopefully this 30p omission will get some attention at HQ.
 
Think of PAL region users: No 25 or 30p for HEVC. And since the A7S3, A1, and FX3 have the same limitations, I am presuming it will not be fixed.
 
This. I always think it's weird when people are dismissive of use cases just because they don't match their own priorities. It's a big world and people work in lots of different ways. Features that accommodate them (like making the same framerates available in one codec that are already being offered in others) aren't crazy to ask for when there's no downside to other users.

The answer to "who cares" is always "someone."
I think if you create a post with a provocative title, like "is this a joke", you may encourage snarky replies.
 
This. I always think it's weird when people are dismissive of use cases just because they don't match their own priorities. It's a big world and people work in lots of different ways. Features that accommodate them (like making the same framerates available in one codec that are already being offered in others) aren't crazy to ask for when there's no downside to other users.

The answer to "who cares" is always "someone."
I think if you create a post with a provocative title, like "is this a joke", you may encourage snarky replies.
I agree with title, it is a joke to disallow 30p under h265 mode. It is a super painful limitation.
 
I do have the same concern. Hope Sony will address this issue with a firmware update. Buts its over an year since the camera was launched!
 
They still haven't made this possible. I'm baffled of their unexplainable and arbitrary choice of omitting 30p H.265 recording. It's not a technical limitation because we can shoot 60p already in H.265.

As others have said 24p is a stuttery mess, not suitable for many people, especially on pannning shots with drones.

Can't a hacker just edit latest Sony firmwares and add 30p already? Because this is what Sony deserve. Or better, we should invite Magic Lantern team to port their stuff on Sony cameras :p They'd not only add 30p, but also bring internal 12 bit RAW recording, which would render expensive Sony cinema line useless. :P
 
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Not happy with this either. H.265 finally came as conclusion and 30+60p inter switching but alas FAIL. Not possible.

Another big issue, i thought maybe 60p on everything (and get some 30p content, by halving fps), but i like to shoot APS-C super 35 sometimes, and that one only works at 25 or 30 (pal or NTSC), so the moment you HAVC-HC you sorta cant use aps-c especially when selecting 60p.
 

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