epozar
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Don't shot at sun with mechanical.. it produces a nasty vertical "flare" .. that is not present in electronic. So far all my Olympuses act that way.. unlike G9 Lumix for example.
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Electronic shutter, versus mechanical shutter
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joeletx
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Sometime I need to shoot wide open with fast lenses such as the 25mm F1.2 outdoor on bright daylight. This will cause the shutter to top out over 1/8000s. The only way to do this is switching to electronic shutter.
Bassam Guy
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I usually shoot electronic shutter in daylight whatever the difference shooting mechanical shutter would be I am usually fine with the results.
Raw files look good to me but I am not sure there is no additional loss of data when shooting electronic shutter.
I use mechanical when I need triggered or on camera flash.
Raw files look good to me but I am not sure there is no additional loss of data when shooting electronic shutter.
I use mechanical when I need triggered or on camera flash.
nsd
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If the light source had any 120Hz flicker at all, 1/6400 would easily see it. If this was shot using an indoor light, retest using sunlight as the illuminant.
Nacha
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for me its part of the process. i dont like the silence of the eshutter, and only use it if the environment requires quiet.
glassoholic
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DPR TV just reviewed the R50. In it, they say that first curtain electronic shutter causes clipped bokeh effects. I wonder if this applies to all cameras?
epozar
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The viewfinder blinks
Save wear on camera?
If the mechanical shutter breaks, just use the electronic one.
Why use one just to save the other? Use the one you want, then if it breaks, use the other one.
If you use the one you don't like to make sure you can use the one you like later, you're making your camera worse and virtually guaranteeing you won't get maximum use out of the one you like.
It's like eating only bread because you don't want to eat all the bacon. If you like bacon, eat the bacon. Especially when there's 150,000 strips.
If the mechanical shutter breaks, just use the electronic one.
Why use one just to save the other? Use the one you want, then if it breaks, use the other one.
If you use the one you don't like to make sure you can use the one you like later, you're making your camera worse and virtually guaranteeing you won't get maximum use out of the one you like.
It's like eating only bread because you don't want to eat all the bacon. If you like bacon, eat the bacon. Especially when there's 150,000 strips.
Adrian Harris
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Even a 2 bit sensor has same dynamic range as a 12 bit sensor. It just the gradation steps in between black and white that change.
Scientific cameras drop bit depth when very high speed shooting is required, that 14 & 16 bit depth cameras cannot achieve.
Great article with full explanation here:
Scientific cameras drop bit depth when very high speed shooting is required, that 14 & 16 bit depth cameras cannot achieve.
Great article with full explanation here:
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cosmicnode
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I have found using the electronic shutter will reduce frame rate in continuous and reduce the accuracy of the AF, If you do sports use mechanical.
Bobapingu
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That's a great test. Thanks for doing it. However, before we read too much into it, there needs to be R&R. That is, the test needs to be Replicable (by you) and Reproducible (by someone else). If results are consistent, then we might have something. Anyone want to give it a try?Here is a quick test of the visible difference. Both shots were taken at about 9 stops below the camera's recommended exposure at ISO 200. The images shown are small crops at 100%. Both shots were taken in raw and processed identically in Lightroom (Exposure +5.0, Whites +65).
Electronic shutter
EFCS (mechanical shutter)
The main difference I can see is that the colours are more saturated and the contrast greater in the second image. I don't know why. The noise levels don't seem to be much different.
Bobapingu
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Mechanical shutters don't like to be idle for long periods of time... or so I've read... in an old camera book.
Bokeh can affected when using electronic front curtain shutter with fast shutter speeds - 1/1000s and faster. Here is an article about that: https://petapixel.com/2018/12/07/ps...in-shutter-may-be-quietly-hurting-your-bokeh/.
But this is not an issue with fully electronic shutter.
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I disagree with your logic.
If there is no particular functional or performance reason to use one over the other - the 'don't care situations' - then it would make sense to not use the shutter mode that is subject to mechanical wear for those 'don't care' situations
Let's say that 80% of the time you don't need a particular shutter mode and 10% of the time you specifically need mechanical and 10% of the time you specifically need electronic. In this case why would you use mechanical shutter 90% of the time if it's subject to mechanical wear.
Peter
glassoholic
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On the OM-1, the menu says that when selecting/ activating anti shock shutter (On), shutter speeds under 1/320 will be taken with the "electronic" shutter... this is clearly the "anti-shock" shutter or Electronic First Curtain Shutter, not the silent shutter, at speeds slower than 1/ 320 sec. In other words, if anti shock is activated, then speeds slower than 1/ 320 use EFCS, and speeds 1/320 and faster use full mechanical shutter. You can hear this change clearly. So the OM-1 will not allow the risk of "clipped" bokeh because it will be in full mechanical shutter 1/320 and faster, regardless of EFCS being selected.
Silent shutter is another thing altogether. No mechanical shutter blades in action at all. I think it's over ISO 6400 that noise can increase if using silent shutter.
glassoholic
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jeffharris
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It depends on the camera.
For instance, the GX7 and GX8 both produce a full 12-bit image when using the electronic shutter. Other cameras ratchet it down to 10-bit using the electronic shutter. So, it’s important to choose a camera that doesn’t make using the electronic shutter a detriment.
The only times I ever use the mechanical shutter are situations where there will be motion, like driving or riding on trains. The other is when the light source is causing banding, which is apparent in the EVF.
Otherwise, for me there’s not much reason to ever use the mechanical shutter.
jeffharris
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Here's an ice example of electronic vs. mechanical shutter.
This is flying from Ponta Delgada along the coast of Sao Miguel in the Açores to Madeira.
Electronic Shutter
Mechanical Shutter
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