P1000: Kingfishers episode 57: Little Wooden Bridge III

So ISO 100 sooc JPG is fine and equal to what processing from Raw can do. Anything higher and Raw will be better?
No with the right software raw will always be better .
But you don't even use raw :P

I guess with Nikon software it's the same especially at ISO 100.

and a big problem I have with raw is I need small file sizes, I have two hard drives and both of them are usually 90% full, I always keep deleting older images to make room
Man, you live on Long Island and can't afford a 4TB internal or external mechanical hard drive?
for new ones. raw files also take forever to transfer from my card to the computer. I tested this too. With M43, a 32 GB card full of all jpg took 15 minutes to transfer and the same card full of raw+jpg took 1 hr and 10 min to transfer. Yuck. I wouldn't even
A USB 3.0 card reader will do it fast and is cheap.
use raw with M43 except I need to because I use it for astrophotography and some challenging dynamic range imaging (like when taking pictures of rainbows which we often get here near sunset.)
I have a bunch of them but none of them work properly. I have 2 that I have never actually even used (one external one internal.) One is 5400 rpm and the other is an external that wont power up. I shall try it in a different usb port. I have a mix of usb2, 3 and 3.1 ports.
USB power supply is a big problem with external HDDs. External SSDs are the future. Save your money and only buy external SSDs from now on. They're fast too: 1050MB/s read using NVME tech is a minimum now.
How do the NVMe external hard drives connect to the computer? I have one but it is internal a Samsung 980 m.2 NVMe 500 GB for Windows.
Via a USB-C port (or a USB-C to USB-A 3.0 adapter). SanDisk sells 1050MB/s portable SSDs only slightly more expensive than 550MB/s ones.
Thanks, does Samsung make fast durable ones too?

I found the port, it says USB-C on it! But there is only one! Is that bad?

Amazing with over a dozen USB ports but only one of them is USB-C!
 
So ISO 100 sooc JPG is fine and equal to what processing from Raw can do. Anything higher and Raw will be better?
No with the right software raw will always be better .
But you don't even use raw :P

I guess with Nikon software it's the same especially at ISO 100.

and a big problem I have with raw is I need small file sizes, I have two hard drives and both of them are usually 90% full, I always keep deleting older images to make room
Man, you live on Long Island and can't afford a 4TB internal or external mechanical hard drive?
for new ones. raw files also take forever to transfer from my card to the computer. I tested this too. With M43, a 32 GB card full of all jpg took 15 minutes to transfer and the same card full of raw+jpg took 1 hr and 10 min to transfer. Yuck. I wouldn't even
A USB 3.0 card reader will do it fast and is cheap.
use raw with M43 except I need to because I use it for astrophotography and some challenging dynamic range imaging (like when taking pictures of rainbows which we often get here near sunset.)
I have a bunch of them but none of them work properly. I have 2 that I have never actually even used (one external one internal.) One is 5400 rpm and the other is an external that wont power up. I shall try it in a different usb port. I have a mix of usb2, 3 and 3.1 ports.
USB power supply is a big problem with external HDDs. External SSDs are the future. Save your money and only buy external SSDs from now on. They're fast too: 1050MB/s read using NVME tech is a minimum now.
How do the NVMe external hard drives connect to the computer? I have one but it is internal a Samsung 980 m.2 NVMe 500 GB for Windows.
Via a USB-C port (or a USB-C to USB-A 3.0 adapter). SanDisk sells 1050MB/s portable SSDs only slightly more expensive than 550MB/s ones.
Thanks, does Samsung make fast durable ones too?

I found the port, it says USB-C on it! But there is only one! Is that bad?

Amazing with over a dozen USB ports but only one of them is USB-C!
Both SanDisk and Samsung are great SSD brands. Samsung is particularly popular with its internal SSD products and both Samsung and SanDisk have popular external SSD products.

Portable SSDs that use a USB-C port natively usually can copy data faster than those using a USB-A port, but the speed is actually up to the USB version number (e.g. "3.0", "3.1 Gen 2", etc.).
 
So ISO 100 sooc JPG is fine and equal to what processing from Raw can do. Anything higher and Raw will be better?
No with the right software raw will always be better .
But you don't even use raw :P
no I don’t need to.
I guess with Nikon software it's the same especially at ISO 100.
of course Nikon software is similar to what’s in the jpeg engine but remember it has some extra as it covers even pro model cameras not just point and shoots
and a big problem I have with raw is I need small file sizes, I have two hard drives and both of them are usually 90% full, I always keep deleting older images to make room for new ones. raw files also take forever to transfer from my card to the computer. I tested this too. With M43, a 32 GB card full of all jpg took 15 minutes to transfer and the same card full of raw+jpg took 1 hr and 10 min to transfer. Yuck. I wouldn't even use raw with M43 except I need to because I use it for astrophotography and some challenging dynamic range imaging (like when taking pictures of rainbows which we often get here near sunset.)
External hard drives are cheap and a great way of keeping your pc drive clear to improve speed and performance.
I download my cards after every photo session, it keeps the download times to a minimum and helps keep the camera performance at its best .
Nothing worse than powering up and having to wait while your camera reads through a ton of images to find the next clear sector
are external hard drives more reliable than they once were? I went through a period where I owned 3 external hard drives in 5 years, they would always either break down or file transfers would always stop mid transfer and in one case the computer refused to power the drive (the other two had their own power connectors directly to mains.)
Yes, an external mechanical hard drive can exhibit that behavior (the copying speed stays very low like 50-100KB/s for a while (can be a long while) because the computer somehow gives very little electricity to the USB port). If that happens, you have to wait, or probably power the external HDD with another power source. I have a Seagate 4TB Expansion external HDD so I know that. I also have a SanDisk Extreme Pro Portable external SSD and it doesn't have this problem.

For internal drives, I have a 256GB Liteon SSD that came with my Dell XPS 8900 in 2016 and serves as an Windows 10 OS disk, a 1TB Samsung 860 EVO that serves as a data disk which includes all my photos taken, and a 4TB Seagate HDD for data backup. Internal HDDs don't have the low-copying-speed problem above.
Right now I have one 500 GB PCIe NVMe M2 SSD and one 2 TB regular hard drive.

Excellent idea about downloading the images before the card is full! Do you then reformat the card in camera after every session even when the card isn't full yet and after downloading the images?
After unloading each photo session from my P1000 SD card to my computer, I put the SD card back to the P1000 and use the P1000's "Delete All Photos" command to clear the card (instead of reformatting). My card is a 128GB Kingston blue card (190MB/s read, 90MB/s write).
Thanks, I will follow this advice and use Delete All Photos (I also heard it is not good to reformat memory cards frequently.)

I have a back up internal hard drive I have saved in my closet that I could install, so I will probably go down that route. It is a 2 TB mechanical hard drive, but it is 5400 rpm. Is that still okay? I thought I was buying a 7200 rpm hard drive but later found out it is only 5400 rpm. Would that make much of a difference?
HDDs above 2GB are often only 5400RPM. An internal 5400RPM HDD will still be way faster than an external HDD due to the USB power problem we discussed above.
Thanks I'll use that then. I also have an external 2 TB with that power problem but I am reading now that I should try a different usb port? Did yours work when you switched
Last time when I tried to backup all my photos from my internal 1TB Samsung SSD to my external 4TB Seagate HDD, the HDD was copying very slow and I initially thought it went bad... So I canceled the copying, let Windows check the HDD for errors, and also viewed SMART information. There was no error or bad sector. I tried copying again. The copying speed was normal initially and then went very low but after a while went back to normal and even high. So it's all about the electricity your computer gives to that USB port at a given time. In the future, just buy portable SSDs only.
ports? I have a mix of usb2,3 and 3.1 on this computer. So by putting those two drives in I will have 4 TB more space to work with!

I also only keep the operating system on the 500 GB SSD but now I can offload some of the programs and pictures on the other internal hard drive I have right now to the new ones. I'll go from having 2 hard drives to 4 (3 internal 1 external if it works properly in a different USB port.)
Thanks that is exactly what happened to me! I don't know if I have the proper connectors for portable SSD but this is the motherboard I have:

Asus Rog Strix x470-F Gaming

It has lots of connectors.
A modern portable SSD communicates with your computer via a USB-C port or a USB-C to USB-A adapter. A 1050MB/s portable SSD uses NVMe internally but that doesn't matter to your computer because externally the SSD communicates with your computer via USB.
I just need to find out if there is a USB-C on this motherboard.

edit-- I found it, it says USB-C on it! But there is only one! Is that bad?

Amazing with over a dozen USB ports but only one of them is USB-C!
One USB-C port is OK as a portable SSD will only need one to connect to.

It's better than my Dell XPS 8900 desktop computer which has no USB-C port... I have to use my SanDisk Extreme Pro Portable SSD's USB-C to USB-A adapter to connect this SSD to a USB-A 3.0 port on the PC.
 
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So ISO 100 sooc JPG is fine and equal to what processing from Raw can do. Anything higher and Raw will be better?
No with the right software raw will always be better .
But you don't even use raw :P
no I don’t need to.
I guess with Nikon software it's the same especially at ISO 100.
of course Nikon software is similar to what’s in the jpeg engine but remember it has some extra as it covers even pro model cameras not just point and shoots
and a big problem I have with raw is I need small file sizes, I have two hard drives and both of them are usually 90% full, I always keep deleting older images to make room for new ones. raw files also take forever to transfer from my card to the computer. I tested this too. With M43, a 32 GB card full of all jpg took 15 minutes to transfer and the same card full of raw+jpg took 1 hr and 10 min to transfer. Yuck. I wouldn't even use raw with M43 except I need to because I use it for astrophotography and some challenging dynamic range imaging (like when taking pictures of rainbows which we often get here near sunset.)
External hard drives are cheap and a great way of keeping your pc drive clear to improve speed and performance.
I download my cards after every photo session, it keeps the download times to a minimum and helps keep the camera performance at its best .
Nothing worse than powering up and having to wait while your camera reads through a ton of images to find the next clear sector
are external hard drives more reliable than they once were? I went through a period where I owned 3 external hard drives in 5 years, they would always either break down or file transfers would always stop mid transfer and in one case the computer refused to power the drive (the other two had their own power connectors directly to mains.)
Yes, an external mechanical hard drive can exhibit that behavior (the copying speed stays very low like 50-100KB/s for a while (can be a long while) because the computer somehow gives very little electricity to the USB port). If that happens, you have to wait, or probably power the external HDD with another power source. I have a Seagate 4TB Expansion external HDD so I know that. I also have a SanDisk Extreme Pro Portable external SSD and it doesn't have this problem.

For internal drives, I have a 256GB Liteon SSD that came with my Dell XPS 8900 in 2016 and serves as an Windows 10 OS disk, a 1TB Samsung 860 EVO that serves as a data disk which includes all my photos taken, and a 4TB Seagate HDD for data backup. Internal HDDs don't have the low-copying-speed problem above.
Right now I have one 500 GB PCIe NVMe M2 SSD and one 2 TB regular hard drive.

Excellent idea about downloading the images before the card is full! Do you then reformat the card in camera after every session even when the card isn't full yet and after downloading the images?
After unloading each photo session from my P1000 SD card to my computer, I put the SD card back to the P1000 and use the P1000's "Delete All Photos" command to clear the card (instead of reformatting). My card is a 128GB Kingston blue card (190MB/s read, 90MB/s write).
Thanks, I will follow this advice and use Delete All Photos (I also heard it is not good to reformat memory cards frequently.)
not true at all . Reformatting simply ignores any faulty sectors so it appears as if you’re loosing memory space but it’s just saving you going through a needless recovery later down the line .
The memory card failure have suffered from is plastic casing becoming brittle with age .
I have a back up internal hard drive I have saved in my closet that I could install, so I will probably go down that route. It is a 2 TB mechanical hard drive, but it is 5400 rpm. Is that still okay? I thought I was buying a 7200 rpm hard drive but later found out it is only 5400 rpm. Would that make much of a difference?
How long do these cards typically last at or near full capacity?
don’t know as I don’t measure them and I don’t fill them up either . I replace them periodically as I’ve needed better performance for 4K video .

For what they cost I don’t even worry about them .
I have several 64 and 128 gb cards which I cycle as they become full. I copy recent images to my computer at intervals, but do not delete the card contents until the card reappears in the cycle (which may take several years) at which time I format the card.

That provides an additional backup for safety.
So not formatting at least a few times every year makes them last longer, Sherm?
Wasn't saying that...just that if I don't format the card then I still have the image files if some disaster hits my computer and the other backups. Given the price of SD cards, one could even make a case for filling each card (downloading new files at intervals but not deleting or formatting) and then giving the full card to a friend for safekeeping.

As far as I'm aware, if you don't delete files from the card (leaving a bunch of small empty spaces) it doesn't slow down as it becomes more full.

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So ISO 100 sooc JPG is fine and equal to what processing from Raw can do. Anything higher and Raw will be better?
No with the right software raw will always be better .
But you don't even use raw :P
no I don’t need to.
I guess with Nikon software it's the same especially at ISO 100.
of course Nikon software is similar to what’s in the jpeg engine but remember it has some extra as it covers even pro model cameras not just point and shoots
and a big problem I have with raw is I need small file sizes, I have two hard drives and both of them are usually 90% full, I always keep deleting older images to make room for new ones. raw files also take forever to transfer from my card to the computer. I tested this too. With M43, a 32 GB card full of all jpg took 15 minutes to transfer and the same card full of raw+jpg took 1 hr and 10 min to transfer. Yuck. I wouldn't even use raw with M43 except I need to because I use it for astrophotography and some challenging dynamic range imaging (like when taking pictures of rainbows which we often get here near sunset.)
External hard drives are cheap and a great way of keeping your pc drive clear to improve speed and performance.
I download my cards after every photo session, it keeps the download times to a minimum and helps keep the camera performance at its best .
Nothing worse than powering up and having to wait while your camera reads through a ton of images to find the next clear sector
are external hard drives more reliable than they once were? I went through a period where I owned 3 external hard drives in 5 years, they would always either break down or file transfers would always stop mid transfer and in one case the computer refused to power the drive (the other two had their own power connectors directly to mains.)
Yes, an external mechanical hard drive can exhibit that behavior (the copying speed stays very low like 50-100KB/s for a while (can be a long while) because the computer somehow gives very little electricity to the USB port). If that happens, you have to wait, or probably power the external HDD with another power source. I have a Seagate 4TB Expansion external HDD so I know that. I also have a SanDisk Extreme Pro Portable external SSD and it doesn't have this problem.

For internal drives, I have a 256GB Liteon SSD that came with my Dell XPS 8900 in 2016 and serves as an Windows 10 OS disk, a 1TB Samsung 860 EVO that serves as a data disk which includes all my photos taken, and a 4TB Seagate HDD for data backup. Internal HDDs don't have the low-copying-speed problem above.
Right now I have one 500 GB PCIe NVMe M2 SSD and one 2 TB regular hard drive.

Excellent idea about downloading the images before the card is full! Do you then reformat the card in camera after every session even when the card isn't full yet and after downloading the images?
After unloading each photo session from my P1000 SD card to my computer, I put the SD card back to the P1000 and use the P1000's "Delete All Photos" command to clear the card (instead of reformatting). My card is a 128GB Kingston blue card (190MB/s read, 90MB/s write).
Thanks, I will follow this advice and use Delete All Photos (I also heard it is not good to reformat memory cards frequently.)
not true at all . Reformatting simply ignores any faulty sectors so it appears as if you’re loosing memory space but it’s just saving you going through a needless recovery later down the line .
The memory card failure have suffered from is plastic casing becoming brittle with age .
I have a back up internal hard drive I have saved in my closet that I could install, so I will probably go down that route. It is a 2 TB mechanical hard drive, but it is 5400 rpm. Is that still okay? I thought I was buying a 7200 rpm hard drive but later found out it is only 5400 rpm. Would that make much of a difference?
How long do these cards typically last at or near full capacity?
don’t know as I don’t measure them and I don’t fill them up either . I replace them periodically as I’ve needed better performance for 4K video .

For what they cost I don’t even worry about them .
I have several 64 and 128 gb cards which I cycle as they become full. I copy recent images to my computer at intervals, but do not delete the card contents until the card reappears in the cycle (which may take several years) at which time I format the card.

That provides an additional backup for safety.
So not formatting at least a few times every year makes them last longer, Sherm?
Wasn't saying that...just that if I don't format the card then I still have the image files if some disaster hits my computer and the other backups. Given the price of SD cards, one could even make a case for filling each card (downloading new files at intervals but not deleting or formatting) and then giving the full card to a friend for safekeeping.

As far as I'm aware, if you don't delete files from the card (leaving a bunch of small empty spaces) it doesn't slow down as it becomes more full.
Some cameras can become slow due to full cards in certain situations.

This is usually on an initial power up from a full power down ( card and battery removed and then reinserted) as the camera needs to read the data to find the last file number / next clear sector .
This is now virtually a thing of the past with modern processors and how often do you actually remove both at the same time these days 😂
 

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