Rationalising my many cameras, lenses, systems, options

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I have a conundrum for you. It begins with my having too many cameras:
  • Panasonic GH5S
  • Olympus E-M5 Mark III
  • Sony α7C
I also have too many lenses. (You know it’s too many when you can’t recall what you have in the cupboard without thinking hard.)

What’s more, I’m not perfectly happy with any of these cameras.

I’m looking to simplify and rationalise. But how?

Let’s start with why I got these cameras in the first place.

I had an Olympus E-M10 Mark II for a long time and all was well. Really enjoyed that camera.

Then I got curious about video and learned that:
  1. the E-M10 Mark II shoots dire video, worse than my seven-year-old iPhone
  2. most mirrorless cameras have major flaws for video, a bit like stills cameras had major flaws for stills 15 years ago (and like stills cameras back then, each new model brings real improvement).
The GH5S had the fewest flaws at a price I could tolerate and also worked with my Micro Four Thirds lenses. So I got one.

Problem is, two flaws the GH5S did have turned out to be biggies: no IBIS and no phase-detect autofocus.

I figured I would upgrade my stills camera to an E-M5 Mark III that could be pressed into video service when I needed IBIS or phase-detect autofocus.

Well, the Olympus had mediocre autofocus but excellent IBIS. And that was enough to make me lazy about using the notionally superior GH5S for video.

But when I do break out a tripod or gimbal and set up focus pulls and all, I still love the GH5S and its results – though that is not often now that I have a toddler.

So, yes, my baby became a toddler and I discovered why people care about tracking focus. The α7C was about the smallest, lightest, cheapest, coolest way to get good tracking autofocus. And it was amazing. Wow.

However, my Olympus camera and lenses are still far smaller than my Sony system, equivalence be damned. The result is that I still end up packing the Olympus almost all the time. I’m still not comfortable with my Sony’s operation – not inside-out like the Olympus.

Although the Olympus is my most-used camera by far, it’s the very one I’m thinking of selling. That would force me to deeply learn my Sony and also use E-mount lenses better-suited to my laziness: small and light ones rather than optically ideal ones.

Why not sell the GH5S? It feels like a camera that will age better than most. Although it is compromised by its features, within those limitations it performs exceedingly well, almost flawlessly. I like that.

What’s more, the GH6 and Panasonic’s recent move to phase-detect have wrecked the used value of my GH5S, while the E-M5 Mark III is oddly expensive on the used market.

Why not sell both Micro Four Thirds cameras and the lenses? I love several of these lenses and feel like going down with this ship, should it finally heel over. Maybe the last Micro Four Thirds camera made will be worth hanging onto for a decade (the OM-1 is close).

The main things I dislike about the α7C, in turn, are its awful menus / display UI design (hardware UI is brilliant) and lack of 10-bit log video.

So I’m even wondering about selling it too before Sony releases an α7C II that might be perfect for me. But who knows about the European price of that camera or what fresh weirdness it will bring. Often the first generation of a camera concept is the purest expression of its designer’s intentions, in my experience. Besides, what would I use in the meantime? And what if Sony never makes this follow-up?

I don’t relish any more selling and buying either.

Two recent cameras have even made me wonder if I bet on the wrong horse with Sony: the S5 II and R8. I know from experience how well Panasonic does video, and now they’ve fixed the focus. And although the R8 lacks IBIS, it’s an amazingly potent camera elsewhere for the asking price, most unlike Canon’s usual cynical hobbling. But then I compare those lens systems to Sony’s and remember why I wanted a flat-top rangefinder body in the first place.

Ideally I’d have one true camera for the next five years, as I did with my E-M10 Mark II before video broke everything for me.

Thoughts? Strong opinions? Brickbats?
 
I have a conundrum for you. It begins with my having too many cameras:
  • Panasonic GH5S
  • Olympus E-M5 Mark III
  • Sony α7C
I also have too many lenses. (You know it’s too many when you can’t recall what you have in the cupboard without thinking hard.)

What’s more, I’m not perfectly happy with any of these cameras.

I’m looking to simplify and rationalise. But how?

Let’s start with why I got these cameras in the first place.

I had an Olympus E-M10 Mark II for a long time and all was well. Really enjoyed that camera.

Then I got curious about video and learned that:
  1. the E-M10 Mark II shoots dire video, worse than my seven-year-old iPhone
  2. most mirrorless cameras have major flaws for video, a bit like stills cameras had major flaws for stills 15 years ago (and like stills cameras back then, each new model brings real improvement).
The GH5S had the fewest flaws at a price I could tolerate and also worked with my Micro Four Thirds lenses. So I got one.

Problem is, two flaws the GH5S did have turned out to be biggies: no IBIS and no phase-detect autofocus.

I figured I would upgrade my stills camera to an E-M5 Mark III that could be pressed into video service when I needed IBIS or phase-detect autofocus.

Well, the Olympus had mediocre autofocus but excellent IBIS. And that was enough to make me lazy about using the notionally superior GH5S for video.

But when I do break out a tripod or gimbal and set up focus pulls and all, I still love the GH5S and its results – though that is not often now that I have a toddler.

So, yes, my baby became a toddler and I discovered why people care about tracking focus. The α7C was about the smallest, lightest, cheapest, coolest way to get good tracking autofocus. And it was amazing. Wow.

However, my Olympus camera and lenses are still far smaller than my Sony system, equivalence be damned. The result is that I still end up packing the Olympus almost all the time. I’m still not comfortable with my Sony’s operation – not inside-out like the Olympus.

Although the Olympus is my most-used camera by far, it’s the very one I’m thinking of selling. That would force me to deeply learn my Sony and also use E-mount lenses better-suited to my laziness: small and light ones rather than optically ideal ones.

Why not sell the GH5S? It feels like a camera that will age better than most. Although it is compromised by its features, within those limitations it performs exceedingly well, almost flawlessly. I like that.

What’s more, the GH6 and Panasonic’s recent move to phase-detect have wrecked the used value of my GH5S, while the E-M5 Mark III is oddly expensive on the used market.

Why not sell both Micro Four Thirds cameras and the lenses? I love several of these lenses and feel like going down with this ship, should it finally heel over. Maybe the last Micro Four Thirds camera made will be worth hanging onto for a decade (the OM-1 is close).

The main things I dislike about the α7C, in turn, are its awful menus / display UI design (hardware UI is brilliant) and lack of 10-bit log video.

So I’m even wondering about selling it too before Sony releases an α7C II that might be perfect for me. But who knows about the European price of that camera or what fresh weirdness it will bring. Often the first generation of a camera concept is the purest expression of its designer’s intentions, in my experience. Besides, what would I use in the meantime? And what if Sony never makes this follow-up?

I don’t relish any more selling and buying either.

Two recent cameras have even made me wonder if I bet on the wrong horse with Sony: the S5 II and R8. I know from experience how well Panasonic does video, and now they’ve fixed the focus. And although the R8 lacks IBIS, it’s an amazingly potent camera elsewhere for the asking price, most unlike Canon’s usual cynical hobbling. But then I compare those lens systems to Sony’s and remember why I wanted a flat-top rangefinder body in the first place.

Ideally I’d have one true camera for the next five years, as I did with my E-M10 Mark II before video broke everything for me.

Thoughts? Strong opinions? Brickbats?
It seems your problem boils down to have a camera you rarely use, the GH, and one you haven't bothered to learn how to use to full advantage (by learning the interface, and getting some lighter lenses), the Sony.

I'd sell the GH, get a small prime for the Sony, and learn how to use its interface. Anyone would could manage Oly's menus can get by with anything else.
 
I have a conundrum for you. It begins with my having too many cameras:
  • Panasonic GH5S
  • Olympus E-M5 Mark III
  • Sony α7C
I also have too many lenses. (You know it’s too many when you can’t recall what you have in the cupboard without thinking hard.)

What’s more, I’m not perfectly happy with any of these cameras.

I’m looking to simplify and rationalise. But how?

Let’s start with why I got these cameras in the first place.

I had an Olympus E-M10 Mark II for a long time and all was well. Really enjoyed that camera.

Then I got curious about video and learned that:
  1. the E-M10 Mark II shoots dire video, worse than my seven-year-old iPhone
  2. most mirrorless cameras have major flaws for video, a bit like stills cameras had major flaws for stills 15 years ago (and like stills cameras back then, each new model brings real improvement).
The GH5S had the fewest flaws at a price I could tolerate and also worked with my Micro Four Thirds lenses. So I got one.

Problem is, two flaws the GH5S did have turned out to be biggies: no IBIS and no phase-detect autofocus.

I figured I would upgrade my stills camera to an E-M5 Mark III that could be pressed into video service when I needed IBIS or phase-detect autofocus.

Well, the Olympus had mediocre autofocus but excellent IBIS. And that was enough to make me lazy about using the notionally superior GH5S for video.

But when I do break out a tripod or gimbal and set up focus pulls and all, I still love the GH5S and its results – though that is not often now that I have a toddler.

So, yes, my baby became a toddler and I discovered why people care about tracking focus. The α7C was about the smallest, lightest, cheapest, coolest way to get good tracking autofocus. And it was amazing. Wow.

However, my Olympus camera and lenses are still far smaller than my Sony system, equivalence be damned. The result is that I still end up packing the Olympus almost all the time. I’m still not comfortable with my Sony’s operation – not inside-out like the Olympus.

Although the Olympus is my most-used camera by far, it’s the very one I’m thinking of selling. That would force me to deeply learn my Sony and also use E-mount lenses better-suited to my laziness: small and light ones rather than optically ideal ones.

Why not sell the GH5S? It feels like a camera that will age better than most. Although it is compromised by its features, within those limitations it performs exceedingly well, almost flawlessly. I like that.

What’s more, the GH6 and Panasonic’s recent move to phase-detect have wrecked the used value of my GH5S, while the E-M5 Mark III is oddly expensive on the used market.

Why not sell both Micro Four Thirds cameras and the lenses? I love several of these lenses and feel like going down with this ship, should it finally heel over. Maybe the last Micro Four Thirds camera made will be worth hanging onto for a decade (the OM-1 is close).

The main things I dislike about the α7C, in turn, are its awful menus / display UI design (hardware UI is brilliant) and lack of 10-bit log video.

So I’m even wondering about selling it too before Sony releases an α7C II that might be perfect for me. But who knows about the European price of that camera or what fresh weirdness it will bring. Often the first generation of a camera concept is the purest expression of its designer’s intentions, in my experience. Besides, what would I use in the meantime? And what if Sony never makes this follow-up?

I don’t relish any more selling and buying either.

Two recent cameras have even made me wonder if I bet on the wrong horse with Sony: the S5 II and R8. I know from experience how well Panasonic does video, and now they’ve fixed the focus. And although the R8 lacks IBIS, it’s an amazingly potent camera elsewhere for the asking price, most unlike Canon’s usual cynical hobbling. But then I compare those lens systems to Sony’s and remember why I wanted a flat-top rangefinder body in the first place.

Ideally I’d have one true camera for the next five years, as I did with my E-M10 Mark II before video broke everything for me.

Thoughts? Strong opinions? Brickbats?
It seems your problem boils down to have a camera you rarely use, the GH, and one you haven't bothered to learn how to use to full advantage (by learning the interface, and getting some lighter lenses), the Sony.

I'd sell the GH, get a small prime for the Sony, and learn how to use its interface. Anyone would could manage Oly's menus can get by with anything else.
good response. it appears he has 3 cameras, all Great Ones IMHO and by selling one, he will appreciate the 2 he has left.

there is no perfect camera, so we learn to make do with what we have as most are capable of stellar results in the right hands.
 
I have a conundrum for you. It begins with my having too many cameras:
  • Panasonic GH5S
  • Olympus E-M5 Mark III
  • Sony α7C
I also have too many lenses. (You know it’s too many when you can’t recall what you have in the cupboard without thinking hard.)
If you think you have too many cameras click on this link. I also own 3 totally different cameras and use them all.

OpticsEngineer: Gear list: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
What’s more, I’m not perfectly happy with any of these cameras.
Maybe no camera would make you happy. Learn to use what you have to the greatest of your ability.

--
Tom
 
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Since video seems to be a priority have you considered just buying a GH6, then stick with m4/3?

Gato
 
110% positive you really need a new camera then all things will be fine.

ok down to the brass tacks. So what if you have 3 cameras ? Really are your kids going to school in rags, are they getting enough to eat are they getting LOVE, do you even have kids ?

Its not what you have its your priorities, you only live once :)

--
"Just one more Lens, I promise....."
Dave
 
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Why do you feel like you have to rationalize anything? If you like your cameras, enjoy using them, and can afford them without taking risks with your own economic security or that of others, who cares whether they are "rational"? And by whose definition?

I have a whole bunch of cameras, and while I doubt anyone would call it a rational collection, they all have their jobs to do. My Olympus E-M10II is for being very small and light, especially when set up for garden macro with the Oly 60mm. Various Fujis are for being various Fujis and being workhorses for general shooting, and my Pentax KP is for having an optical viewfinder when I want one and for using the Pentax lenses I own that aren't duplicated in the other systems.
 
So, yes, my baby became a toddler and I discovered why people care about tracking focus. The α7C was about the smallest, lightest, cheapest, coolest way to get good tracking autofocus. And it was amazing. Wow.
I read over and over about tracking focus and how every camera basically sucks unless it's the latest & greatest Sony or Canon.

My daughter was a toddler in 2004 when I was shooting a Sony F717 and a Konica Minolta 7D. I never really used continuous AF with either. I never cared about it until she started skating. By then, I'd ugpraded to a Sony A700 and picked up a Sigma 70-200/2.8 and started using continuous AF. That combo was too slow - focus was very often behind the action. I upgraded to a Nikon D7000 and 70-200/2.8 and never looked back. I rarely shoot sports or fast action any more, other than the cats. I'm content with my Nikon Z5 which, according to the wisdom of the internet, is abysmal and spells Nikon's doom unless they can top Sony yesterday.

I have a terrific collection of pictures of my daughter and her friends growing up and never wanted for better autofocus. When I browse those photos, it's hard to imagine I've missed anything.

Meanwhile, I love a good viewfinder. Part of my reason for choosing the Z5 is the nice viewfinder in an affordable mirrorless body. I experimented over the years with a Sony RX10 III, Sony NEX-5 and A6000/6500, Fuji XT30 and X-S10, all while primarily shooting my trusty Nikon D7000 and D7500. I learned that I like a decently sized body with a good grip and that front/rear dual control dials are a must. And I prefer a tilting LCD to a FAS (despite a belief that I'd really enjoy a FAS after having one on an early Canon digicam).

My point: figure out what's most important in a camera and lenses, pick what you'd ideally like to be shooting and then see if any of your gear is close enough. For what it's worth, I get how you can end up with a divergent kit and I understand the desire to simplify. I kept my RX10 III for my daughter to use and for now, I've kept my D7500 to use with a long tele, but the move to the Z5 was a half-way step to my long-considered migration to a single system.
Why not sell both Micro Four Thirds cameras and the lenses? I love several of these lenses and feel like going down with this ship, should it finally heel over. Maybe the last Micro Four Thirds camera made will be worth hanging onto for a decade (the OM-1 is close).
I hate to make a recommendation, as we're all different, but reading the lines and in between the lines, it sounds to me like you ought to ditch the Sony gear, buy an OM-1 and then sell off extraneous bits from the m43 kit (no need for an OM-1, GH5 *AND* EM-5 III. But I'm looking at it as a stills shooter - I have no idea what you want/need and how these cameras perform for video.
Two recent cameras have even made me wonder if I bet on the wrong horse with Sony: the S5 II and R8. I know from experience how well Panasonic does video, and now they’ve fixed the focus. And although the R8 lacks IBIS, it’s an amazingly potent camera elsewhere for the asking price,
Sounds a little like GAS and more compromises. You already mentioned you dislike the GH5s lack of IBIS - why invest more time/energy/money into going down that same road ? (Plus you're looking at FF and large lenses and already mentioned that you leave the Sony behind in favor of the smaller kits).
Good luck with your decision!
 
IMO you need to figure out what you need from a camera system and work backwards through process of elimination to arrive at what you should buy. You need good video, autofocus, and presumably some no-compromise lenses (i.e. certain lens types you have to have in your kit). You want a flat top rangefinder style body. (IMO the menu thing is just a matter of familiarity- I got used to Sony's old menus which are supposedly even worse). You don't need the last word in image quality or fast glass (since M43 is no problem).

That kind of narrows it down a good bit there. The obvious first place to look IMO would be Fuji.
 
So, yes, my baby became a toddler and I discovered why people care about tracking focus. The α7C was about the smallest, lightest, cheapest, coolest way to get good tracking autofocus. And it was amazing. Wow.
I read over and over about tracking focus and how every camera basically sucks unless it's the latest & greatest Sony or Canon.

My daughter was a toddler in 2004 when I was shooting a Sony F717 and a Konica Minolta 7D. I never really used continuous AF with either. I never cared about it until she started skating. By then, I'd ugpraded to a Sony A700 and picked up a Sigma 70-200/2.8 and started using continuous AF. That combo was too slow - focus was very often behind the action. I upgraded to a Nikon D7000 and 70-200/2.8 and never looked back. I rarely shoot sports or fast action any more, other than the cats. I'm content with my Nikon Z5 which, according to the wisdom of the internet, is abysmal and spells Nikon's doom unless they can top Sony yesterday.
To be fair all of those cameras MP counts are way below the norm today, which gives more leeway for AF.

I have a lot of great photos from my D40 as well...... but they are all in good light and don't take too kindly to magnification in the way that even the 16MP NEX-C3 that followed it, let alone the 24-42 MP FF bodies I've had do. I hate the term futureproofing but the IQ of old cameras struggles with the viewing sizes available to me today.

Though to completely blow up my own argument the vast majority of content of my kids is taken with phone cameras :-D
 
You are overthinking. Keep the a7c, sell all the rest. Get the 28-60 (if you don't already have it). It is small, it is light, and it is super sharp. My copy easily competes with good prime lenses. I am not into video but I think that teh a7c will be just fine for family videos. Or use a good phone for that. Sony also has nice small primes for the a7c, and Sigma has the 90f2.8 that you can turn into a 135mm APS-C crop. The a7c with small lenses competes with my Sony and Fuji ASP-C kits in terms of size and weight.
 
IMO you need to figure out what you need from a camera system and work backwards through process of elimination to arrive at what you should buy. You need good video, autofocus, and presumably some no-compromise lenses (i.e. certain lens types you have to have in your kit). You want a flat top rangefinder style body. (IMO the menu thing is just a matter of familiarity- I got used to Sony's old menus which are supposedly even worse). You don't need the last word in image quality or fast glass (since M43 is no problem).

That kind of narrows it down a good bit there. The obvious first place to look IMO would be Fuji.
Love Fuji. But when it comes to AF and kids, I don't think that even the newer Fuji models can beat the a7c AF-Lock button for accuracy and consistency (cetainly the older models up to and including the x100v and X-E4 couldn't).
 
I'd sell the GH, get a small prime for the Sony, and learn how to use its interface. Anyone would could manage Oly's menus can get by with anything else.
Ha. I have not found the Olympus menus nearly as dysfunctional as the Sony’s. The Olympus’s are a little abstruse but workable. The Sony’s are flat-out functionally terrible.

It was the public opinion on Olympus menus versus my experience of them that made me think I could get over Sony’s reputed bad menus. But it’s a whole different category of suck. The mind boggles than companies can produce such garbage. Why are a few (hundred) menu items so hard? I feel I could do a better job in a day’s work, not even exaggerating. Maybe I’m wrong.

There are many other problems with the Sony’s user experience: the slow start-up, the sluggish response to input everywhere except actually focusing and taking a picture, the awful font (I presume cobbled together by engineers in the basement), the useless clutter all over the viewfinder image, lack of in-camera conversion of Raws to JPEGs, not even lossless Raw compression or a good lossy compression (like Nikon), etc.

But a lot of these things have finally been fixed in more recent Sony cameras. So do I want to sink a thousand hours into mastering this last terrible specimen of the breed? Unsure. I’d have to be pretty sure not to upgrade to any α7C II for a start.
 
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good response. it appears he has 3 cameras, all Great Ones IMHO and by selling one, he will appreciate the 2 he has left.
Interesting point. Plausible.
there is no perfect camera, so we learn to make do with what we have as most are capable of stellar results in the right hands.
But I have had cameras that have been near enough perfect, for my use, in the past: Nikon FM2N, Leica M6, Nikon D300S, Olympus E-M10 Mark II. These cameras I contentedly used for many years, achieving a high degree of familiarly and competence of mechanical operation if not art.

I’d like to find that satisfaction again, but maybe video just ruins everything, at least during our present stage of transition.
 
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I am sure you are quite capable of making your own decisions.
Perhaps, but I’m stuck and would welcome outside input. I doubt I’m the only photographer to have navigated camera angst.
However, as you have asked for comments, my advice would be to spend more time thinking about the photographs you like and a bit less on the gear.
I’m trying to get there. Got anything to inspire me?

I was happy with this result from my E-M5 Mark III despite its difficult operation for video (effectively no exposure controls, for a start) :
 
If you think you have too many cameras click on this link. I also own 3 totally different cameras and use them all.
Oh, I know many readers have three or more cameras (though usually not by three different brands across two lens mounts).

But I have found I am not able to achieve high ease / speed / familiarity of operation while owning three cameras. Even two from different brands is pushing it.

And I profoundly enjoy having a deep understanding of things I use.

I am like this about many things: a slow learner, but eventually a good learner. But I can’t keep two foreign languages in my head or two computer keyboard layouts (US versus UK) or even two cars. Others can.
Maybe no camera would make you happy.
I’ve been happy with cameras in the past.
 
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IMO you need to figure out what you need from a camera system and work backwards through process of elimination to arrive at what you should buy. You need good video, autofocus, and presumably some no-compromise lenses (i.e. certain lens types you have to have in your kit). You want a flat top rangefinder style body. (IMO the menu thing is just a matter of familiarity- I got used to Sony's old menus which are supposedly even worse). You don't need the last word in image quality or fast glass (since M43 is no problem).

That kind of narrows it down a good bit there. The obvious first place to look IMO would be Fuji.
Love Fuji. But when it comes to AF and kids, I don't think that even the newer Fuji models can beat the a7c AF-Lock button for accuracy and consistency (cetainly the older models up to and including the x100v and X-E4 couldn't).
I havent used Fuji so you may be right. But Fuji AF not being as good as Sony AF doesn't necessarily make it bad. AF is just one of many factors OP is weighing in, so the other things OP is looking at may be more important.
 
Since video seems to be a priority have you considered just buying a GH6, then stick with m4/3?
Briefly, but the GH6 is twice as heavy as my Olympus, has a fan, doesn’t have phase-detect never mind effective tracking focus, and has dubious image quality (not a Sony sensor). That’s a lot of strikes in my use.
 
...I have a conundrum with having too many cameras:

...I don’t relish any more selling and buying either.
Your two assertions seem to preclude a solution.

You don't seem in love with any you do have and you don't want to buy or sell - so what is it that you want?

- Gary
 

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