Where is the Panasonic GX10 ?

GutiWong · Feb 16, 2023

Richard2Go said:
…it seems that at least for the foreseeable future, there aren’t many more innovations left for the M/43 format. With present technology and, perhaps more importantly, market conditions, I don’t think we’ll be seeing many more significant new cameras and lenses for quite some time, if ever.

But so what? Even if Olympus and Panasonic permanently stopped production tomorrow, what does it matter? Of course it’s nice to work with a format that’s growing and expanding, but the M/43 gear I already own will always do what it can do now, at least until it breaks down and can’t be repaired. In that case I can go to a bustling used market that will continue for many years.

And when even used M/43 gear becomes scarce, it will probably be prized by the hipsters of the future, and we’ll all get rich if we’re willing to part with our prized antiques!

I agree with you that in current market situation, there will not be many camera released by Oly and Pana. It's a shame that m43 format could not be as popular as Fuji ASPC and FF.

if they stopped production tomorrow. I'll simply switch to other brands (Fuji).
I don't wanna to stick with the same camera for 10 years! I love new tech, new design.
I always want a better EVF, LCD, button and dial etc that is joyful to use.
Photographing shall be relax and enjoyable for amateur and hobbyist.

eques · Feb 16, 2023

jeffharris said:
eques said:

I am looking for a successor for my GX8 now for some time.

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So have I, but since Panasonic is loathe to release a GX8 II, I kind of gave up.

As alternatives, the G9 is simply too bulky for my taste and the way I carry a camera. I thought about an S5 or Z5 or even the higher end Fuji rangefinder, but that would leave me with tons of incompatible M4/3 lenses.

Exactly, bulk is the problem. the G9 is like a large FF body with tiny sensor, GH5 is even heavier. I don't have that many M43 lenses and could sell them, but there is nothing quite like the 12-100 out there. Also tele lenses are huge with exception of the Sigma 90mm, which on APS-c is 135mm FF equivalent.

jeffharris said:
Last year, when the AF of my original 2015 GX8 became unreliable, I hunted down a brand new GX8 body as a replacement. I just prefer a rangefinder style body and that tilting EVF!
I can still use the original with manual lenses, too!

I am looking at used EM1.3, GX9, even G9. Now I read the OM5 review, which is more or less a EM1.3 in a smaller body. "There is nothing wrong" with this, but this is outdated tech. So right now I check, what possiblities (lenses!!) I can get for an R10 or R7, maybe an A6600 or A6400.

Jacques Cornell · Feb 17, 2023

jeffharris said:
eques said:

I am looking for a successor for my GX8 now for some time.

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So have I, but since Panasonic is loathe to release a GX8 II, I kind of gave up.

As alternatives, the G9 is simply too bulky for my taste and the way I carry a camera. I thought about an S5 or Z5

All three of these are essentially the same size. The G9 is the lightest of them. The GX9 offers the same IQ and many of the features of the G9 with much less bulk, weight and cost.

jeffharris said:
or even the higher end Fuji rangefinder, but that would leave me with tons of incompatible M4/3 lenses.

Last year, when the AF of my original 2015 GX8 became unreliable, I hunted down a brand new GX8 body as a replacement. I just prefer a rangefinder style body and that tilting EVF!
I can still use the original with manual lenses, too!

Clearly, that was the right solution for you. I, too, have been fond of the GX8.

Mark Thornton · Feb 17, 2023

> It's a shame that m43 format could not be as popular as Fuji ASPC

What makes you think it is less popular than Fuji APSC?

jdu_sg · Feb 17, 2023

camfan1 said:
Hi,

IMHO, in general, the Panasonic G100 was a serious letdown.

It did however feature a higher-res (but non-OLED) EVF and better LCD touchscreen.

Does anyone have any idea if and/or when Panasonic could introduce the GX9 successor, a camera that would at least offer these benefits but is also targeting still photographers (and not only V-loggers) ... a more hybrid camera ?

Thanks

I'm not sure why the G100 is your comparison, I think the G100 is the reason there is no GF11.

But ...

If you ignore the marketing statement that "the G100 is for vLoggers" where does the G100 fall short of a GX10 (other than body style) ?

In other words, what are the actual benefits/ changes that you think would turn the G100 into a GX10 ? Because I am not sure there is a market niche at about $1000 for another body with incremmental improvements.

jdu_sg · Feb 17, 2023

jwilliams said:
camfan1 said:

Hi,

IMHO, in general, the Panasonic G100 was a serious letdown.

It did however feature a higher-res (but non-OLED) EVF and better LCD touchscreen.

Does anyone have any idea if and/or when Panasonic could introduce the GX9 successor, a camera that would at least offer these benefits but is also targeting still photographers (and not only V-loggers) ... a more hybrid camera ?

Thanks

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Well it's almost 2 years after the original post, so OP if you're still watching, it's pretty obvious where the GX10, and pretty much every other hoped for m43 camera, is. Reminds me of an old TV show 'Lost In Space'. If the OM5 update didn't dash any hopes of future significant updates I don't know what it will take to get the message thru.

Ahhhhhhhh caught by a thread of the living dead.

one blind eye · Feb 17, 2023

Coming soon.

junk1 · Feb 17, 2023

I want/expect GX10 to match OM-5…why not?

junk1 · Feb 17, 2023

Revenant said:
Already in August 2020, in an interview with Imaging Resource, a Panasonic executive more or less told us that the GX line wouldn't continue. Near the end of the interview, talking about the GX line, and also the LX100:

"Personally, I use LX or GX for snap shooting, and this is very effective. But we have to admit that this category is the most affected by the smartphone's expansion."

https://www.imaging-resource.com/ne...ovid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

GF series, I would think is most affected since it’s smallest and has the least dedicated controls …but I read that they sold very well in some countries (Japan).

junk1 · Feb 17, 2023

jdu_sg said:
In other words, what are the actual benefits/ changes that you think would turn the G100 into a GX10 ? Because I am not sure there is a market niche at about $1000 for another body with incremmental improvements.

I’m considering g100 but want high res mode (can live w/o though), fast mechanical shutter for hummingbirds (slow electronic is marginal on my similar gf7), and IS (and external mic, which g100 has but not gx9).

jdu_sg · Feb 21, 2023

junk1 said:
jdu_sg said:

In other words, what are the actual benefits/ changes that you think would turn the G100 into a GX10 ? Because I am not sure there is a market niche at about $1000 for another body with incremmental improvements.

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I’m considering g100 but want high res mode (can live w/o though), fast mechanical shutter for hummingbirds (slow electronic is marginal on my similar gf7), and IS (and external mic, which g100 has but not gx9).

Agreed, that shutter design is useable, but has definite limits.

And the pixel shift technology is probably the current tech that I most wish I had, especially the current Oly implementation, it adds a lot of functionality.

I'd really want a second control dial at the thumb postition instead of the multiway controller.

A G100 with those improvements, costing and additional $200-$300 would be tempting, but I think it would be larger, and would likely steal G100 sales.

cameralight · Feb 21, 2023

jdu_sg said:
junk1 said:

jdu_sg said:

In other words, what are the actual benefits/ changes that you think would turn the G100 into a GX10 ? Because I am not sure there is a market niche at about $1000 for another body with incremmental improvements.

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I’m considering g100 but want high res mode (can live w/o though), fast mechanical shutter for hummingbirds (slow electronic is marginal on my similar gf7), and IS (and external mic, which g100 has but not gx9).

Click to expand...

Agreed, that shutter design is useable, but has definite limits.

And the pixel shift technology is probably the current tech that I most wish I had, especially the current Oly implementation, it adds a lot of functionality.

I'd really want a second control dial at the thumb postition instead of the multiway controller.

A G100 with those improvements, costing and additional $200-$300 would be tempting, but I think it would be larger, and would likely steal G100 sales.

With a stacked sensor, they might be able to remove the mechanical shutter altogether, saving some bulk and weight. Though personally I doubt they'd go for that for such an inexpensive model.

Revenant · Feb 21, 2023

junk1 said:
Revenant said:

Already in August 2020, in an interview with Imaging Resource, a Panasonic executive more or less told us that the GX line wouldn't continue. Near the end of the interview, talking about the GX line, and also the LX100:

"Personally, I use LX or GX for snap shooting, and this is very effective. But we have to admit that this category is the most affected by the smartphone's expansion."

https://www.imaging-resource.com/ne...ovid-development-full-frame-micro-four-thirds

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GF series, I would think is most affected since it’s smallest and has the least dedicated controls …but I read that they sold very well in some countries (Japan).

I'm not even sure the latest one, the GF10, was released in the western markets. The GF9 was sold as GX800/850 here.

cameron2 · Feb 21, 2023

jeffharris said:
Fixed the headline for you.

Yeah, seriously. Just give us a G9 plus PDAF in a GM5 body with a tilty GX8 viewfinder upgraded to OLED, and a solid USB-C implementation (for power and data).

jeffharris · Feb 22, 2023

cameron2 said:
jeffharris said:

Fixed the headline for you.

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Yeah, seriously. Just give us a G9 plus PDAF in a GM5 body with a tilty GX8 viewfinder upgraded to OLED, and a solid USB-C implementation (for power and data).

Just a GX8 body. The size is perfect.
Everything else? CHECK!

Mrdavie · Feb 22, 2023

On the upside to waiting for a new M43 camera - love the one you’ve got and go take some pictures.

camfan1 · Mar 3, 2023

GX9 was ... The Last of US.

Only Olympus is still hanging on to m43.

But this is the end of the road.

APS-C will also, but slowly ... fade away.

Only FF is a sure thing ... for the forseeable future anyway.

I do agree of course ... cameras that we own are still as good as always.

I hope to never have to part with my LX100 II, at least not any time soon.

hipogrito · Mar 3, 2023

camfan1 said:
Only FF is a sure thing ... for the forseeable future anyway.

While anything is possible, I cannot see myself going hiking and birding regularly with a FF camera and a long zoom lens and not be annoyed as hell with the size and weight of that.

M43 is a perfect system for that where you can get long zoom at a fraction of the cost and weight. The format might not last forever but the concept will surely last as there are lots of people out there that have the same need and, therefore, companies will sell us stuff and make money our of that need.

My 2 cents,

Regards,

Fran

fcna72 · Mar 3, 2023

It has Been so long that either Pana or Olympus have released a high quality rangefinder format camera with the latest tech (the last omd or pana 100 don't qualify) that it is getting to a point where the first one who will release one is bound to sell very well... And no matter is shortcomings or crazy high price... So many of us are holding of to gx85, gx8 or om5 waiting for " something " better that we will buy it knowing this might be the last one for a very very long time.

I can't imagine that Pana or omd are not aware and won't be developing one sooner or later.

generationfourth · Mar 3, 2023

camfan1 said:
GX9 was ... The Last of US.

Only Olympus is still hanging on to m43.

But this is the end of the road.

APS-C will also, but slowly ... fade away.

Only FF is a sure thing ... for the forseeable future anyway.

I do agree of course ... cameras that we own are still as good as always.

I hope to never have to part with my LX100 II, at least not any time soon.

What are you smoking? I want some. The need for smaller more compact systems will always be there. It’s actually getting stronger than ever as many are starting to realize the benefits. Look at the incredible demand for any Fujifilm apsc, specifically the compact fixed lens x100v. Seriously lol.

People have been claiming the death of m43 for the past decade lol.

Where is the Panasonic GX10 ?

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