R50 vs M50 MkII

Fjzk · Feb 9, 2023

roblpm said:
I was going to buy the M50 Mk ii as a present for my partner's 50th birthday. I don't think she will do much video and will be her first proper camera. Then the R50 came out.

However the pricing of the R50 in the UK looks bonkers!

M50 mk ii with kit lense is £647.

R50 on Park cameras is £899 with kit lense! (R10 is £899 too!). Maybe the price will go down after the launch.

Seeing as she might want to buy one or two other lenses and there is hardly anything available for R50 I am having a hard time seeing the benefit for her of the R range. Most of the advances seem to be in the video?

Am I crazy buying her an M50 Mk ii in 2023???!!

I don’t think so, go for it. A camera like this lasts for years and she can build a very decent little kit of lenses for less than $1000, cheaper and better than the current (and perhaps future, from what we have seen so far) RF-S offerings.

nnowak · Feb 9, 2023

Grant McWilliams said:
Does anyone besides me think it's strange that five years after the release of the M50 Canon is releasing it again but with some software updates and a different mount? Even the lenses are mostly EF-M lenses that have been rereleased on the new mount but oddly all seem to be a bit slower than their EF-M counterparts.

Yes, the 4K video is now usable with DPAF and no crop but then the M50 II should have been released with that as the M6 II had a digic 8 processor with DPAF and no crop. I'm sure it was possible on the M50.

No, it was not possible. The M50 II uses an outdated sensor with very slow readout speeds. The R50 uses a brand new sensor (same as R10) to support uncropped 4K.

Grant McWilliams said:
So they effectively did the improvements they SHOULD have done on the M50 II and rereleased it with a new mount... I wonder if these changes were in development for the M50 II and at the last minute management axed the M series and the badly cobbled M50 II "software update" was released instead.

Actuall timing does not support your theory. The M50 II was launched well over 2 years ago. Canon may have already been planning on killing off the M system back then, but design of the R50 likely started later.

Grant McWilliams said:
The M50 update was then redirected to the R mount and here we are - we finally got the M50 II that was rumored... years later, for more money and requiring all new lenses.

AMW20 · Feb 9, 2023

Grant McWilliams said:
Does anyone besides me think it's strange that five years after the release of the M50 Canon is releasing it again but with some software updates and a different mount? Even the lenses are mostly EF-M lenses that have been rereleased on the new mount but oddly all seem to be a bit slower than their EF-M counterparts.

Yes, the 4K video is now usable with DPAF and no crop but then the M50 II should have been released with that as the M6 II had a digic 8 processor with DPAF and no crop. I'm sure it was possible on the M50.

So they effectively did the improvements they SHOULD have done on the M50 II and rereleased it with a new mount... I wonder if these changes were in development for the M50 II and at the last minute management axed the M series and the badly cobbled M50 II "software update" was released instead.

The M50 update was then redirected to the R mount and here we are - we finally got the M50 II that was rumored... years later, for more money and requiring all new lenses.

I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path. I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon. I'm newer to the M mount and considering getting out now and switching to Fuji. Either way, I won't be upgrading to R when the time comes.

KevinRA · Feb 9, 2023

AMW20 said:
I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path.

True - but M cameras still function just as well as they did before - and lot of good quality used M cameras, EF-M lenses and of course EF lenses adapted....

AMW20 said:
I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon.

Very simple - EF lenses.

There are excellent EF lenses which fit both mounts especially well suited to RF larger cameras. It would cost me a fortune to sell off my Canon kit and buy Nikon or Sony to replace the lenses - yet the new features in the most modern R's are compelling - in a way the RP and R were not.

Lets not forget what Canon did in 1987 to the FD mount!! This is nothing in comparison.

justmeMN · Feb 9, 2023

Grant McWilliams said:
Does anyone besides me think it's strange that five years after the release of the M50 Canon is releasing it again but with some software updates and a different mount?

I don't know about strange, but definitely poor planning. If they would have started with the RF mount, there wouldn't be an incompatibility issue.

Sittatunga · Feb 10, 2023

KevinRA said:
AMW20 said:

I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path.

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True - but M cameras still function just as well as they did before - and lot of good quality used M cameras, EF-M lenses and of course EF lenses adapted....

KevinRA said:

I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon.

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Very simple - EF lenses.

There are excellent EF lenses which fit both mounts especially well suited to RF larger cameras. It would cost me a fortune to sell off my Canon kit and buy Nikon or Sony to replace the lenses - yet the new features in the most modern R's are compelling - in a way the RP and R were not.

Lets not forget what Canon did in 1987 to the FD mount!! This is nothing in comparison.

I tend more to the cockup theory than malevolence. Canon tried to bring focus confirmation to FD mount with the AL-1, and AF to FD mount with the Heath-Robinson AC lenses. The last FD lens was launched in 1989, a year after its EF counterpart, but the last FD mount camera came in 1990. They just couldn't sell them when Minolta A mount and Canon EF mount did AF so well. And who remembers the EF-M camera, Canon's attempt to keep faith with manual focus on EF mount? So i don't think it's Canon trying to dump EF-M, it's the market doing that to them.

Canon's APS-C lenses were always incompatible with their FF cameras until RF mount came along and they had to do the automatic crop thing with EF-S lenses. That's why they optimised the EF-M mount for APS-C. Canon might have thought of making RF mount big enough and close ebbing to make it possible to adapt EF-M lenses when they introduced it, but I think they were too focussed in optimising it for 35mm format and were probably trying to preserve their EF lens line. They made big announcements at the time about APS-C and FF mirrorless cameras united by EF lenses and I think they meant it. The customers' abandonment of FD mount should have prepared them for what's happened to EF mount, but 35 years is a long time.

Very few lenses below 85mm focal length are suitable for both formats, and the RF ones that are (16mm/2.8, 35mm/1.8, 24mm/1.8, 50mm/1.8, 15-30mm/4.5-6, 24-50/4.5-6.3) tend to get reviled here.

m100 · Feb 10, 2023

Sittatunga said:
KevinRA said:

AMW20 said:

I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path.

Click to expand...

True - but M cameras still function just as well as they did before - and lot of good quality used M cameras, EF-M lenses and of course EF lenses adapted....

Sittatunga said:

I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon.

Click to expand...

Very simple - EF lenses.

There are excellent EF lenses which fit both mounts especially well suited to RF larger cameras. It would cost me a fortune to sell off my Canon kit and buy Nikon or Sony to replace the lenses - yet the new features in the most modern R's are compelling - in a way the RP and R were not.

Lets not forget what Canon did in 1987 to the FD mount!! This is nothing in comparison.

Click to expand...

I tend more to the cockup theory than malevolence. Canon tried to bring focus confirmation to FD mount with the AL-1, and AF to FD mount with the Heath-Robinson AC lenses. The last FD lens was launched in 1989, a year after its EF counterpart, but the last FD mount camera came in 1990. They just couldn't sell them when Minolta A mount and Canon EF mount did AF so well. And who remembers the EF-M camera, Canon's attempt to keep faith with manual focus on EF mount? So i don't think it's Canon trying to dump EF-M, it's the market doing that to them.

Canon's APS-C lenses were always incompatible with their FF cameras until RF mount came along and they had to do the automatic crop thing with EF-S lenses. That's why they optimised the EF-M mount for APS-C. Canon might have thought of making RF mount big enough and close ebbing to make it possible to adapt EF-M lenses when they introduced it, but I think they were too focussed in optimising it for 35mm format and were probably trying to preserve their EF lens line. They made big announcements at the time about APS-C and FF mirrorless cameras united by EF lenses and I think they meant it. The customers' abandonment of FD mount should have prepared them for what's happened to EF mount, but 35 years is a long time.

Very few lenses below 85mm focal length are suitable for both formats, and the RF ones that are (16mm/2.8, 35mm/1.8, 24mm/1.8, 50mm/1.8, 15-30mm/4.5-6, 24-50/4.5-6.3) tend to get reviled here.

Then the Canon EOS M and I had a Canon body that could mount the wonderful TS 35mm.

The used price for that body keeps going up.

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/canon-eos-m

Sittatunga · Feb 10, 2023

m100 said:
Sittatunga said:

KevinRA said:

AMW20 said:

I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path.

Click to expand...

True - but M cameras still function just as well as they did before - and lot of good quality used M cameras, EF-M lenses and of course EF lenses adapted....

m100 said:

I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon.

Click to expand...

Very simple - EF lenses.

There are excellent EF lenses which fit both mounts especially well suited to RF larger cameras. It would cost me a fortune to sell off my Canon kit and buy Nikon or Sony to replace the lenses - yet the new features in the most modern R's are compelling - in a way the RP and R were not.

Lets not forget what Canon did in 1987 to the FD mount!! This is nothing in comparison.

Click to expand...

I tend more to the cockup theory than malevolence. Canon tried to bring focus confirmation to FD mount with the AL-1, and AF to FD mount with the Heath-Robinson AC lenses. The last FD lens was launched in 1989, a year after its EF counterpart, but the last FD mount camera came in 1990. They just couldn't sell them when Minolta A mount and Canon EF mount did AF so well. And who remembers the EF-M camera, Canon's attempt to keep faith with manual focus on EF mount? So i don't think it's Canon trying to dump EF-M, it's the market doing that to them.

Canon's APS-C lenses were always incompatible with their FF cameras until RF mount came along and they had to do the automatic crop thing with EF-S lenses. That's why they optimised the EF-M mount for APS-C. Canon might have thought of making RF mount big enough and close ebbing to make it possible to adapt EF-M lenses when they introduced it, but I think they were too focussed in optimising it for 35mm format and were probably trying to preserve their EF lens line. They made big announcements at the time about APS-C and FF mirrorless cameras united by EF lenses and I think they meant it. The customers' abandonment of FD mount should have prepared them for what's happened to EF mount, but 35 years is a long time.

Very few lenses below 85mm focal length are suitable for both formats, and the RF ones that are (16mm/2.8, 35mm/1.8, 24mm/1.8, 50mm/1.8, 15-30mm/4.5-6, 24-50/4.5-6.3) tend to get reviled here.

Click to expand...

Then the Canon EOS M and I had a Canon body that could mount the wonderful TS 35mm.

The used price for that body keeps going up.

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/canon-eos-m

m100 · Feb 10, 2023

Sittatunga said:
m100 said:

Sittatunga said:

KevinRA said:

AMW20 said:

I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path.

Click to expand...

True - but M cameras still function just as well as they did before - and lot of good quality used M cameras, EF-M lenses and of course EF lenses adapted....

Sittatunga said:

I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon.

Click to expand...

Very simple - EF lenses.

There are excellent EF lenses which fit both mounts especially well suited to RF larger cameras. It would cost me a fortune to sell off my Canon kit and buy Nikon or Sony to replace the lenses - yet the new features in the most modern R's are compelling - in a way the RP and R were not.

Lets not forget what Canon did in 1987 to the FD mount!! This is nothing in comparison.

Click to expand...

I tend more to the cockup theory than malevolence. Canon tried to bring focus confirmation to FD mount with the AL-1, and AF to FD mount with the Heath-Robinson AC lenses. The last FD lens was launched in 1989, a year after its EF counterpart, but the last FD mount camera came in 1990. They just couldn't sell them when Minolta A mount and Canon EF mount did AF so well. And who remembers the EF-M camera, Canon's attempt to keep faith with manual focus on EF mount? So i don't think it's Canon trying to dump EF-M, it's the market doing that to them.

Canon's APS-C lenses were always incompatible with their FF cameras until RF mount came along and they had to do the automatic crop thing with EF-S lenses. That's why they optimised the EF-M mount for APS-C. Canon might have thought of making RF mount big enough and close ebbing to make it possible to adapt EF-M lenses when they introduced it, but I think they were too focussed in optimising it for 35mm format and were probably trying to preserve their EF lens line. They made big announcements at the time about APS-C and FF mirrorless cameras united by EF lenses and I think they meant it. The customers' abandonment of FD mount should have prepared them for what's happened to EF mount, but 35 years is a long time.

Very few lenses below 85mm focal length are suitable for both formats, and the RF ones that are (16mm/2.8, 35mm/1.8, 24mm/1.8, 50mm/1.8, 15-30mm/4.5-6, 24-50/4.5-6.3) tend to get reviled here.

Click to expand...

Then the Canon EOS M and I had a Canon body that could mount the wonderful TS 35mm.

The used price for that body keeps going up.

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/canon-eos-m

Click to expand...

It seems to, last time I looked on mpb it was more expensive than the M10.

An M body alongside an EOS R body are a great pair to go with a TS or TS-E lens. The R is getting very reasonably priced now too.

Right ?

They were $899 at the Canon refurbished store around Christmas time.

I should be saving up for the sale this year !

StrugglingforLight · Feb 10, 2023

AMW20 said:
Grant McWilliams said:

Does anyone besides me think it's strange that five years after the release of the M50 Canon is releasing it again but with some software updates and a different mount? Even the lenses are mostly EF-M lenses that have been rereleased on the new mount but oddly all seem to be a bit slower than their EF-M counterparts.

Yes, the 4K video is now usable with DPAF and no crop but then the M50 II should have been released with that as the M6 II had a digic 8 processor with DPAF and no crop. I'm sure it was possible on the M50.

So they effectively did the improvements they SHOULD have done on the M50 II and rereleased it with a new mount... I wonder if these changes were in development for the M50 II and at the last minute management axed the M series and the badly cobbled M50 II "software update" was released instead.

The M50 update was then redirected to the R mount and here we are - we finally got the M50 II that was rumored... years later, for more money and requiring all new lenses.

Click to expand...

I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path. I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon. I'm newer to the M mount and considering getting out now and switching to Fuji. Either way, I won't be upgrading to R when the time comes.

With you on this. I'm not buying into the new Canon ecosystem to be burned. Why should I with better options on the market? Fuji (apsc) and Sony (full frame) will be my upgrade route.

I will be keeping my M200 and EF (EF-S) lenses until they die though. It's just enjoyable to use.

roblpm · Feb 10, 2023

Fjzk said:
roblpm said:

I was going to buy the M50 Mk ii as a present for my partner's 50th birthday. I don't think she will do much video and will be her first proper camera. Then the R50 came out.

However the pricing of the R50 in the UK looks bonkers!

M50 mk ii with kit lense is £647.

R50 on Park cameras is £899 with kit lense! (R10 is £899 too!). Maybe the price will go down after the launch.

Seeing as she might want to buy one or two other lenses and there is hardly anything available for R50 I am having a hard time seeing the benefit for her of the R range. Most of the advances seem to be in the video?

Am I crazy buying her an M50 Mk ii in 2023???!!

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I don’t think so, go for it. A camera like this lasts for years and she can build a very decent little kit of lenses for less than $1000, cheaper and better than the current (and perhaps future, from what we have seen so far) RF-S offerings.

Great thanks for that. The cost difference in the UK is nearly 50% more. The think that worries me about the R50 is the kit lense seems weak and there aren't really any reasonably priced alternatives.

Other brands (shock horror) don't seem as good. Sony - no EVF and terrible menus. Fuji - more expensive. Nikon - no EVF in Z30.

It does seem that the M50 Mk ii is unique!!

Fjzk · Feb 10, 2023

roblpm said:
Fjzk said:

roblpm said:

I was going to buy the M50 Mk ii as a present for my partner's 50th birthday. I don't think she will do much video and will be her first proper camera. Then the R50 came out.

However the pricing of the R50 in the UK looks bonkers!

M50 mk ii with kit lense is £647.

R50 on Park cameras is £899 with kit lense! (R10 is £899 too!). Maybe the price will go down after the launch.

Seeing as she might want to buy one or two other lenses and there is hardly anything available for R50 I am having a hard time seeing the benefit for her of the R range. Most of the advances seem to be in the video?

Am I crazy buying her an M50 Mk ii in 2023???!!

Click to expand...

I don’t think so, go for it. A camera like this lasts for years and she can build a very decent little kit of lenses for less than $1000, cheaper and better than the current (and perhaps future, from what we have seen so far) RF-S offerings.

Click to expand...

Great thanks for that. The cost difference in the UK is nearly 50% more. The think that worries me about the R50 is the kit lense seems weak and there aren't really any reasonably priced alternatives.

Other brands (shock horror) don't seem as good. Sony - no EVF and terrible menus. Fuji - more expensive. Nikon - no EVF in Z30.

It does seem that the M50 Mk ii is unique!!

I think so too! I had no issues at all with any of the 5 m lenses I bought since 2019: 15-45, 11-22, 22, 18-150 and 28 macro. I like them so much that I bought a M6II during Black Friday so I don’t need to worry about upgrading my lightweight apsc gear for many years. For full frame I do plan to keep using my Rp until it breaks or the R8 becomes a real bargain

justmeMN · Feb 11, 2023

AMW20 said:
I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path. I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon. I'm newer to the M mount and considering getting out now and switching to Fuji. Either way, I won't be upgrading to R when the time comes.

Sony abandoned the A-Mount. Nikon abandoned the Nikon 1 mount. It happens.

R2D2 · Feb 12, 2023

Larry Rexley said:
This is pretty much where I am. Nothing compelling to move up from the M6ii plus I'd lose access to some of the best APS-C lenses (Siggy 16 & 56 and EF-M 32.)

Those are indeed threee VERY compelling reasons! :-D

Larry Rexley said:
Although every new crop R body that comes out gets my keen interest to see what it can do. The R50 confirms the path most of us have thought Canon would take.

Canon needed to appeal to the potential entry-level R users this time around (since M won’t bring in any new sales now). The M50/R50 form factor is by far the most popular, so it had to be next. I think we’re still likely to see crop R bodies with both the M200 and M6ii form factors at some point in the future. Canon is looking to fill all of the gaps (good news for us).

For those who think these new R bodies are simple re-hashes, you’d best check out what DIGIC X can do for you. IMHO it’s magic. :-D

Larry Rexley said:
Disappointing they did the RF-S 55-210 and not the 11-22 so many were hoping for next!

This one is easy. Canon is protecting sales of all of their recently-released (and more lucrative) ultra-wide angle FULL FRAME lenses before giving us such a capable (and inexpensive) CROP ultra-wide. This is classic Canon at work here.

I do expect an RF-S UWA at some point though. But until then the trusty EF-M 11-22 is another VERY compelling reason to keep an M body around. :-D

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R2D2 · Feb 12, 2023

AMW20 said:
I just think it's sad Canon is abandoning the M mount after only 10 years and left M customers without an upgrade path.

I actually have everything I need for my M System and everything I want to do with it. I’ll be keeping it for as long as it’s useful in that capacity. For everything else I’ve upgraded to R.

AMW20 said:
I'm surprised so many here are planning to just upgrade to R and stay with Canon.

Don’t forget that so many of us are still planning to shoot with our M Systems. These new R bodies are superb as an upgrade though when the time comes.

AMW20 said:
I'm newer to the M mount and considering getting out now and switching to Fuji. Either way, I won't be upgrading to R when the time comes.

With the lens selection you already have, you’re a perfect candidate for R (just as you were for M). R is already excellent. I mean really really excellent.

R2

AMW20 · Feb 12, 2023

R2D2 said:
With the lens selection you already have, you’re a perfect candidate for R (just as you were for M). R is already excellent. I mean really really excellent.

R2

I know I would be, but the M6ii checked off so many boxes for me that I don't see in any R options yet. Very compact (with compact lenses), 3 dials to control aperture, ss, and ISO independently, affordable lenses, tilitng screen instead of flip out, and it has some features you only see on Canon's more expensive cameras like custom modes and an always available e-shutter.

But with M all but dead I hate the idea that I need to build up my collection of lenses now or risk not being able to find the lens I want in 2 or 3 years.

R2D2 · Feb 12, 2023

AMW20 said:
AMW20 said:

With the lens selection you already have, you’re a perfect candidate for R (just as you were for M). R is already excellent. I mean really really excellent.

R2

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I know I would be, but the M6ii checked off so many boxes for me that I don't see in any R options yet. Very compact (with compact lenses), 3 dials to control aperture, ss, and ISO independently, affordable lenses, tilitng screen instead of flip out, and it has some features you only see on Canon's more expensive cameras like custom modes and an always available e-shutter.

But with M all but dead I hate the idea that I need to build up my collection of lenses now or risk not being able to find the lens I want in 2 or 3 years.

Yessir, M6ii all the way! :-D

R2

Larry Rexley · Feb 13, 2023

AMW20 said:
AMW20 said:

With the lens selection you already have, you’re a perfect candidate for R (just as you were for M). R is already excellent. I mean really really excellent.

R2

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I know I would be, but the M6ii checked off so many boxes for me that I don't see in any R options yet. Very compact (with compact lenses), 3 dials to control aperture, ss, and ISO independently, affordable lenses, tilitng screen instead of flip out, and it has some features you only see on Canon's more expensive cameras like custom modes and an always available e-shutter.

I'm in the same place you are. The R50 looks like a fantastic upgrade to the M50ii at a very attractive price point... the AF looks so good that I"m tempted to go for it plus the RF-S 18-150 and sell off an M200 and my EF-M 18-150 (keeping my M6ii's and all the 'wider' M primes and zooms).

When I think deeply about why I would do that... it would be to get the better AF with long lenses (Siggy 100-600 C, EF-S 5-250 IS STM and better downsampled 4k video. Upgrade cost probably around $300 - $400 with the mentioned sell-offs.

When I think MORE deeply about the consequences of that R50 upgrade... I realize I would lose reach for the telephoto shots (24 MP vs 32 MP for my M6ii's), and the video isn't all that much of an upgrade from the M6ii, really... the more logical upgrade for me would be the R7 with the much better IBIS and CLOG3 video...

But for the R7 + RF-S 18-150 we're now talking a $1000 upgrade cost, even if I 'replace' one of my M6ii's and the EF-M 18-150, which I've already decided is too much money - plus the R7 doesn't have that 'tiny' M form factor and the tilting finder and removable EVF I like so much.

Which leaves me keeping exactly what I've got with the 'very good' M system! But liking those R APSC feature upgrades, which continue to pull ahead of the M bodies. Canon will likely eventually pull me into the R system, as they seem to be doing a great job with their RF-S body lineup (but way too slow giving us more RF-S APS-C lenses), but now isn't the time.

Canon knows exactly what it's doing with their R body feature/price/performance tiers, dang it!! Dangling that apple...

AMW20 said:
But with M all but dead I hate the idea that I need to build up my collection of lenses now or risk not being able to find the lens I want in 2 or 3 years.

RLight · Feb 13, 2023

Larry Rexley said:
AMW20 said:

Larry Rexley said:

With the lens selection you already have, you’re a perfect candidate for R (just as you were for M). R is already excellent. I mean really really excellent.

R2

Click to expand...

I know I would be, but the M6ii checked off so many boxes for me that I don't see in any R options yet. Very compact (with compact lenses), 3 dials to control aperture, ss, and ISO independently, affordable lenses, tilitng screen instead of flip out, and it has some features you only see on Canon's more expensive cameras like custom modes and an always available e-shutter.

Click to expand...

I'm in the same place you are. The R50 looks like a fantastic upgrade to the M50ii at a very attractive price point... the AF looks so good that I"m tempted to go for it plus the RF-S 18-150 and sell off an M200 and my EF-M 18-150 (keeping my M6ii's and all the 'wider' M primes and zooms).

When I think deeply about why I would do that... it would be to get the better AF with long lenses (Siggy 100-600 C, EF-S 5-250 IS STM and better downsampled 4k video. Upgrade cost probably around $300 - $400 with the mentioned sell-offs.

When I think MORE deeply about the consequences of that R50 upgrade... I realize I would lose reach for the telephoto shots (24 MP vs 32 MP for my M6ii's), and the video isn't all that much of an upgrade from the M6ii, really... the more logical upgrade for me would be the R7 with the much better IBIS and CLOG3 video...

But for the R7 + RF-S 18-150 we're now talking a $1000 upgrade cost, even if I 'replace' one of my M6ii's and the EF-M 18-150, which I've already decided is too much money - plus the R7 doesn't have that 'tiny' M form factor and the tilting finder and removable EVF I like so much.

Which leaves me keeping exactly what I've got with the 'very good' M system! But liking those R APSC feature upgrades, which continue to pull ahead of the M bodies. Canon will likely eventually pull me into the R system, as they seem to be doing a great job with their RF-S body lineup (but way too slow giving us more RF-S APS-C lenses), but now isn't the time.

Canon knows exactly what it's doing with their R body feature/price/performance tiers, dang it!! Dangling that apple...

Larry Rexley said:

But with M all but dead I hate the idea that I need to build up my collection of lenses now or risk not being able to find the lens I want in 2 or 3 years.

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The R50 is a logical upgrade. The R7 to your point is big and expensive relatively speaking.

Word to the wise, it’s about glass, not bodies. That said now that we’re getting M adapted optics for the RF-S? Things get complicated.

m100 · Feb 13, 2023

RLight said:
Larry Rexley said:

AMW20 said:

RLight said:

With the lens selection you already have, you’re a perfect candidate for R (just as you were for M). R is already excellent. I mean really really excellent.

R2

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I know I would be, but the M6ii checked off so many boxes for me that I don't see in any R options yet. Very compact (with compact lenses), 3 dials to control aperture, ss, and ISO independently, affordable lenses, tilitng screen instead of flip out, and it has some features you only see on Canon's more expensive cameras like custom modes and an always available e-shutter.

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I'm in the same place you are. The R50 looks like a fantastic upgrade to the M50ii at a very attractive price point... the AF looks so good that I"m tempted to go for it plus the RF-S 18-150 and sell off an M200 and my EF-M 18-150 (keeping my M6ii's and all the 'wider' M primes and zooms).

When I think deeply about why I would do that... it would be to get the better AF with long lenses (Siggy 100-600 C, EF-S 5-250 IS STM and better downsampled 4k video. Upgrade cost probably around $300 - $400 with the mentioned sell-offs.

When I think MORE deeply about the consequences of that R50 upgrade... I realize I would lose reach for the telephoto shots (24 MP vs 32 MP for my M6ii's), and the video isn't all that much of an upgrade from the M6ii, really... the more logical upgrade for me would be the R7 with the much better IBIS and CLOG3 video...

But for the R7 + RF-S 18-150 we're now talking a $1000 upgrade cost, even if I 'replace' one of my M6ii's and the EF-M 18-150, which I've already decided is too much money - plus the R7 doesn't have that 'tiny' M form factor and the tilting finder and removable EVF I like so much.

Which leaves me keeping exactly what I've got with the 'very good' M system! But liking those R APSC feature upgrades, which continue to pull ahead of the M bodies. Canon will likely eventually pull me into the R system, as they seem to be doing a great job with their RF-S body lineup (but way too slow giving us more RF-S APS-C lenses), but now isn't the time.

Canon knows exactly what it's doing with their R body feature/price/performance tiers, dang it!! Dangling that apple...

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But with M all but dead I hate the idea that I need to build up my collection of lenses now or risk not being able to find the lens I want in 2 or 3 years.

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The R50 is a logical upgrade. The R7 to your point is big and expensive relatively speaking.

Word to the wise, it’s about glass, not bodies. That said now that we’re getting M adapted optics for the RF-S? Things get complicated.

They do not have pictures of some of them yet ?

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