i7 11700 + RTX 3060 vs. i5 20700 + GTX 1650

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Question:

Will I see marked speed,benefit

I now use i5 10th gen CPU with 16GB DRAM and GTX 1650 GPU.

I am considering gwtting a i7 11 GEN CPU with a RTX 3060 GPU.

Software used is DXO PL6

Thanks

ANAYV
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.

If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
Based on how poorly Topaz Sharpen AI ran on this desktop before I enabled the GPU vs. how well it ran afterwards, I'd agree.

So I might upgrade the OP's GPU, but probably not the CPU from 10th to 11th gen. If I was going to upgrade that at all, I'd want a 12th or 13th gen CPU.
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.

If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
Based on how poorly Topaz Sharpen AI ran on this desktop before I enabled the GPU vs. how well it ran afterwards, I'd agree.

So I might upgrade the OP's GPU, but probably not the CPU from 10th to 11th gen. If I was going to upgrade that at all, I'd want a 12th or 13th gen CPU.
Which would require an LGA1700 motherboard. I presume that going from 10th to 11th would preserve the LGA1200 board.

There are DDR4 LGA1700 motherboards, so the RAM could be carried over.
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.

If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
Based on how poorly Topaz Sharpen AI ran on this desktop before I enabled the GPU vs. how well it ran afterwards, I'd agree.

So I might upgrade the OP's GPU, but probably not the CPU from 10th to 11th gen. If I was going to upgrade that at all, I'd want a 12th or 13th gen CPU.
Which would require an LGA1700 motherboard. I presume that going from 10th to 11th would preserve the LGA1200 board.
Assuming that the mobo maker provides an updated UEFI and the user installs it. But I just don't think 11th gen is enough different to justify buying a new CPU. I'd say the same for 12th gen vs. 13th gen--improved, but not enough to justify buying a new CPU. Just my personal judgement.
There are DDR4 LGA1700 motherboards, so the RAM could be carried over.
Yes, even Z790 boards.
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.

If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
Based on how poorly Topaz Sharpen AI ran on this desktop before I enabled the GPU vs. how well it ran afterwards, I'd agree.

So I might upgrade the OP's GPU, but probably not the CPU from 10th to 11th gen. If I was going to upgrade that at all, I'd want a 12th or 13th gen CPU.
Which would require an LGA1700 motherboard. I presume that going from 10th to 11th would preserve the LGA1200 board.
Assuming that the mobo maker provides an updated UEFI and the user installs it. But I just don't think 11th gen is enough different to justify buying a new CPU. I'd say the same for 12th gen vs. 13th gen--improved, but not enough to justify buying a new CPU. Just my personal judgement.
There are DDR4 LGA1700 motherboards, so the RAM could be carried over.
Yes, even Z790 boards.
I agree.

I'd choose a Gen13 CPU over Gen12, if only because the Gen13 parts tend to have more cores than the Gen12 CPUs with similar part numbers.

For a new build, I'd get a motherboard with a 700 series chipset, just to not to have to worry whether the board's firmware supports Gen13. (600 series boards support Gen13, but require newer firmware.)
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.
Yes. Takes me about 45 seconds to process 1 20MP RAW file with DP XD
If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
I think So. Was wondering if more cores and higher end CPU ( i7 over i5) would help any.

Thanks

ANAYV
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.

If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
Based on how poorly Topaz Sharpen AI ran on this desktop before I enabled the GPU vs. how well it ran afterwards, I'd agree.
I also agree. My time was cut to 1/3 time processing a 20MP RAW file with Deep Prime , going from integrated graphicts to dedicated GPU.

So I might upgrade the OP's GPU, but probably not the CPU from 10th to 11th gen. If I was going to upgrade that at all, I'd want a 12th or 13th gen CPU.
Even if going from 10th gen i5 ( 6 cores?)

to a 11th gen i7 with 8 ( or more?) Cores?

Thanks

ANAYV
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.

If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
Based on how poorly Topaz Sharpen AI ran on this desktop before I enabled the GPU vs. how well it ran afterwards, I'd agree.

So I might upgrade the OP's GPU, but probably not the CPU from 10th to 11th gen. If I was going to upgrade that at all, I'd want a 12th or 13th gen CPU.
Which would require an LGA1700 motherboard. I presume that going from 10th to 11th would preserve the LGA1200 board.

There are DDR4 LGA1700 motherboards, so the RAM could be carried over
I kinda boxed myself in last year ...bought a HP Gaming PC..so dont think I can upgrade power supply and motherboard might not have standard layout/ connections

Best thing about it is the GPU...and that a mere GTX 1650 :(

So was thinking of getting another PC , but with a RTX 3060 GPU, 32GB RAM and either i5 or i7 CPU (11 th gen)

ANAYV
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.
Yes. Takes me about 45 seconds to process 1 20MP RAW file with DP XD
If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
I think So. Was wondering if more cores and higher end CPU ( i7 over i5) would help any.

Thanks

ANAYV
The 11th generation Intel processors were barely an upgrade to the 10th generation. Single core speed improved, but they had less cores so the multicore speed was worse in some cases. A 1070 has the same number of cores as an 11900.

So you'd probably not see any performance improvement by getting the 11900 to help with intensive multicore tasks.
 
As noted 11th gen Intel is not all that much faster than 10th in real world use, being an odd adaptation of older Ice Lake cores that were meant for laptops but were a dead end. 11th gen Intel desktops were a dead end before they were sold. However there is a theoretical advantage to 11th gen in its AI extensions, but it is unclear if any software actually uses them effectively. Those extensions were eliminated in subsequent generations of Intel CPUs. in part due to their tendency to inhale electricity.

If you have an 11th gen Intel CPU its good for what it is but not worth buying at this time if you already own 10th gen. For the stated use the OP should feel a bump up in performance by switching to an i7, either 10th or 11th gen. Not massive, but tangible.

Unless the OP plays games, for which the the 3060 would be a massive improvement, there will be little tangible difference in throughput for the stated use with a higher SKU GPU. Not zero but not cost effective either.

For playing 1080 p games, with essentially the same contribution to rendering, there are less expensive and better performing options from AMD and, yes, Intel.
 
So was thinking of getting another PC , but with a RTX 3060 GPU, 32GB RAM and either i5 or i7 CPU (11 th gen)

ANAYV
I also use DxO PL6. I have "only" i5 -32 GB ram and RTX 3060ti ( It's much better than 3060). Processing a FF RAW file takes only a few sec.
 
Benchmarks: DxO DeepPRIME Processing Times - Google Sheets

You may not find the combinations of CPU/GPU/DXO version that you wish to compare.

Be sure to note that DeepPrime XD runs slower than DeepPrime.
Yes. Takes me about 45 seconds to process 1 20MP RAW file with DP XD
If I had to guess, the GPU may be more important than the CPU for AI processing.
I think So. Was wondering if more cores and higher end CPU ( i7 over i5) would help any.

Thanks

ANAYV
The 11th generation Intel processors were barely an upgrade to the 10th generation. Single core speed improved, but they had less cores so the multicore speed was worse in some cases. A 1070 has the same number of cores as an 11900.
I see.
So you'd probably not see any performance improvement by getting the 11900 to help with intensive multicore tasks.
i3, i5 i7 all similar results for photo software .

4k video playback.

Thanks

ANAYV
 
As noted 11th gen Intel is not all that much faster than 10th in real world use, being an odd adaptation of older Ice Lake cores that were meant for laptops but were a dead end.
This would be going from i5 10th gen to i7 11th gen. Not sure if more cores/threads are much benefit.
11th gen Intel desktops were a dead end before they were sold. However there is a theoretical advantage to 11th gen in its AI extensions, but it is unclear if any software actually uses them effectively. Those extensions were eliminated in subsequent generations of Intel CPUs. in part due to their tendency to inhale electricity.

If you have an 11th gen Intel CPU its good for what it is but not worth buying at this time if you already own 10th gen.
For the stated use the OP should feel a bump up in performance by switching to an i7, either 10th or 11th gen. Not massive, but tangible.
This what I wanted to know
Unless the OP plays games,
No games. Software editing and 4k video playback would be the use.

Possible use for DAW multitrack recording to 32bit fp audio.
for which the the 3060 would be a massive improvement, there will be little tangible difference in throughput for the stated use with a higher SKU GPU.
I see.
Not zero but not cost effective either.

For playing 1080 p games, with essentially the same contribution to rendering, there are less expensive and better performing options from AMD and, yes, Intel.
Thanks

ANAYV
 
So was thinking of getting another PC , but with a RTX 3060 GPU, 32GB RAM and either i5 or i7 CPU (11 th gen)

ANAYV
I also use DxO PL6. I have "only" i5 -32 GB ram and RTX 3060ti ( It's much better than 3060). Processing a FF RAW file takes only a few sec.
Wow. Thats fast.

So GPU much more important than CPU for DXO.

Thanks

ANAYV
 
Sooner or later , you will probably use some of the software from Topaz. They also is pretty heavy on GPU.
 
ANAYV: the is no Core i5-20700. What Core i5 CPU were you trying to compare to?
 
Sooner or later , you will probably use some of the software from Topaz. They also is pretty heavy on GPU.
Already :)

I use Gigapixel or whatever its called , to enlarge small images.

GPU seems to be the way to go

Thanks

ANAYV
 
ANAYV: the is no Core i5-20700. What Core i5 CPU were you trying to compare to?
In the title, I meant to type i5 10700, which I did correctly mention in the subject area.

So i5 10th gen, vs. i7 11 th gen was part of my question

ANAYV
 
In the title, I meant to type i5 10700, which I did correctly mention in the subject area.

So i5 10th gen, vs. i7 11 th gen was part of my question
ANAYV: You've still got me scratching my head on this since there is no Core i5-10700 CPU!

You can see a list of all of the 10th gen Core i5 CPUs at: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...10th-generation-intel-core-i5-processors.html

The 10th gen Core i5 line maxes out at 6 cores (12 threads), and a max turbo boost of 4.8GHz, while the 11th gen Core i7 line maxes at 8 cores and 5.0 GHz. Going from 4.8 to 5.0 GHz won't give too much of a boost, but going from 6 to 8 cores is big deal.

Of course, CPU power is just part of the equation since throughput on many photography applications is more dependent on GPU power than CPU power.
 
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