I notice owners of P1000 always want to upgrade to an ILC

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Yes your em10mk2 would be a better option for digiscoping than the fz2000 .

As for using 4mp on a 16mp sensor . No I wouldn’t because basically all you’re doing is cropping the image . I print a lot so I want full sensor readout and full optical resolution.
If the subject doesn’t fill the screen then it’s to far away for any meaningful detailed image.

I’ve actually stopped using the Nikon and instead just use my fz2000 .
I see what you mean but what I was actually wondering is if you can fill the screen at 4 MP (at 4000mm using 2x digital zoom) vs 2000mm at 16 MP...would that be worthwhile to do? I'm not sure I got my calculations correct.

I didn't mention 8000mm (4x digital zoom), even though at 4 MP that is also "in the blue" because my handholding is rather "shaky" at that point, even with BSS (which is what lets me handhold 4000mm at 1/30 sec shutter speeds.)
only you can answer if 4mp is good enough for you but it’s not good enough for me especially on such a small sensor. The noise will be so much worse as it’s blown up .

From my own personal perspective if you can’t fill the screen at 3000mm (P1000) or 2000mm with P900/950 then the subject is simply too far away for a good quality image

on my xs1 the largest I can print without it degrading is A4 from a 6mp image but that a larger sensor (4 times crop) and my images have good detail to start with.
What's the largest size you print at-- 7.5x10 inches?
I print 13” by 19” at home and 20” by 30” via local printers even with my smartphone.
I was wondering about that! I guess 4 MP is too small for (A4) which is 7.5x10 inches. The X-S1 was a really good camera too, 2/3" sensor and high DR.

I think 300 ppi is ideal as it matches the resolution of the sensor and that does work out to 6-7MP for an A4 print.
 
Just google [ r7 pixel size ] and [ e-m5 iii pixel size ], you'll get 3.20 microns for the R7 and 3.36 microns for the E-M5 III. Doesn't this mean the E-M5 III has a larger pixel size and therefore more incoming light per pixel per second (which is more light signal per second)?

BTW, the RX10M4's pixel size is 2.41 microns, according to the same source, imaging-resource.com.
These days I like to carry both a backpack containing my P1000 (>1.5kg in total) and a shoulder bag containing a tripod, drinks and toilet paper (>1.2kg in total without drinks) under my right shoulder, totally more than 2.7kg, and I feel exhausted after several hours.

So if I'm gonna choose a large-sensor solution to shoot moving subjects like a kingfisher eating a fish, weight is a key issue. The P1000 is already 1.4kg, so I want a camera body + lens weighing no more than 1.5kg.
  • The 1.1kg RX10M4 is an option (provding 24-600mm).
  • The 414g E-M5 III + 985g Panasonic 100-400 = 1399g (1.4kg) is an option (providing 200-800mm). (The Olympus 100-400 also makes a total weight rounding to 1.5kg.)
  • The 612g R7 + 635g RF 100-400 = 1247g (1.2kg) is an option (providing 206-822mm if cropped to 20MP).
Which of the above do you think is the best?
The P1000 is undoubtedly king of stationary-subject photography from 24 to 3000mm.

What we want else is a moving-subject camera. For general purposes, the 24-600mm 20MP Sony RX10M4 is king in this domain.

But for BIF, you probably need to follow the recommendations here: The Best Mirrorless Cameras for Birds in Flight Ranked - Mirrorless Comparison
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
The Canon combo might be slightly better but they are pretty close. What is the price difference between the two combos?
hmm another thing to look up on Photonstophotos.net to see how this affects DR, noise levels, etc. Larger pixel size is better so perhaps the new M43 sensor is actually better than the APS-C sensor in the Canon.
The R7 is newer than the EM5.3 so is the R7 sensor than the EM5.3 sensor, I guess.

The reason why the EM5.3 has a larger pixel size than that of the R7, if you haven't figured out, is that the EM5.3 sensor is 20MP while the R7 one is 33MP, although the R7 is APS-C while the EM5.3 is M4/3.
I do like Olympus systems better overall, they have many many features that other camera makers do not have and the Olympus system has been specifically built around wildlife and bird photography.
 
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These days I like to carry both a backpack containing my P1000 (>1.5kg in total) and a shoulder bag containing a tripod, drinks and toilet paper (>1.2kg in total without drinks) under my right shoulder, totally more than 2.7kg, and I feel exhausted after several hours.

So if I'm gonna choose a large-sensor solution to shoot moving subjects like a kingfisher eating a fish, weight is a key issue. The P1000 is already 1.4kg, so I want a camera body + lens weighing no more than 1.5kg.
  • The 1.1kg RX10M4 is an option (provding 24-600mm).
  • The 414g E-M5 III + 985g Panasonic 100-400 = 1399g (1.4kg) is an option (providing 200-800mm). (The Olympus 100-400 also makes a total weight rounding to 1.5kg.)
  • The 612g R7 + 635g RF 100-400 = 1247g (1.2kg) is an option (providing 206-822mm if cropped to 20MP).
Which of the above do you think is the best?
The P1000 is undoubtedly king of stationary-subject photography from 24 to 3000mm.

What we want else is a moving-subject camera. For general purposes, the 24-600mm 20MP Sony RX10M4 is king in this domain.

But for BIF, you probably need to follow the recommendations here: The Best Mirrorless Cameras for Birds in Flight Ranked - Mirrorless Comparison
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
The Canon combo might be slightly better but they are pretty close. What is the price difference between the two combos?
Why did you say the Canon combo might be slightly better?
The larger sensor, although they are very close.

Did you look up both camera sensors on Photonstophotos.net, they show some graphs there where you can compare different sensors for noise, DR, etc. The Olympus sensors are very good (especially the new ones) but I think they are one stop behind the APS-C sensors.
The EM5.3 has a smaller sensor size (M4/3 vs. APS-C) but larger pixel size because it's only 20MP (in contrast to the R7's 33MP).

I can view those charts on PhotonsToPhotos.net but can't interpret them. Can you explain them and tell us which is better?

In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."?
 
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These days I like to carry both a backpack containing my P1000 (>1.5kg in total) and a shoulder bag containing a tripod, drinks and toilet paper (>1.2kg in total without drinks) under my right shoulder, totally more than 2.7kg, and I feel exhausted after several hours.

So if I'm gonna choose a large-sensor solution to shoot moving subjects like a kingfisher eating a fish, weight is a key issue. The P1000 is already 1.4kg, so I want a camera body + lens weighing no more than 1.5kg.
  • The 1.1kg RX10M4 is an option (provding 24-600mm).
  • The 414g E-M5 III + 985g Panasonic 100-400 = 1399g (1.4kg) is an option (providing 200-800mm). (The Olympus 100-400 also makes a total weight rounding to 1.5kg.)
  • The 612g R7 + 635g RF 100-400 = 1247g (1.2kg) is an option (providing 206-822mm if cropped to 20MP).
Which of the above do you think is the best?
The P1000 is undoubtedly king of stationary-subject photography from 24 to 3000mm.

What we want else is a moving-subject camera. For general purposes, the 24-600mm 20MP Sony RX10M4 is king in this domain.

But for BIF, you probably need to follow the recommendations here: The Best Mirrorless Cameras for Birds in Flight Ranked - Mirrorless Comparison
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
The Canon combo might be slightly better but they are pretty close. What is the price difference between the two combos?
Why did you say the Canon combo might be slightly better?
The larger sensor, although they are very close.

Did you look up both camera sensors on Photonstophotos.net, they show some graphs there where you can compare different sensors for noise, DR, etc. The Olympus sensors are very good (especially the new ones) but I think they are one stop behind the APS-C sensors.
The EM5.3 has a smaller sensor size (M4/3 vs. APS-C) but larger pixel size because it's only 20MP (in contrast to the R7's 33MP).

I can view those charts on PhotonsToPhotos.net but can't interpret them. Can you explain them and tell us which is better?

In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."?
I can tell you what to look at.

Higher PDR is better

PDR


Read Noise


Input inferred Read Noise


From these three charts, I would say the EM5 III is better

The PDR of the two cameras is very similar so no better DR for the larger sensor on the Canon.

The Read Noise is actually better (lower) on the Olympus but even more importantly I see some hanky panky on the Input inferred read noise of the Canon! Do you see how the graph points are clustered in groups of three and then there are huge drops? That indicates that the 1/3 step ISO are "digital" (do not use them!)-- they are an underexposure of a higher ISO or an overexposure of a lower ISO (like ISO 125 would be ISO 100 overexposed by 1/3 stop and ISO 160 would be ISO 200 underexposed by 1/3 stop.)

Also have a look at the table at the bottom of the PDR shot, it shows better low light performance by the Olympus! Only by 1/3 stop but still better-- it means more DR at higher ISO.
 
Just google [ r7 pixel size ] and [ e-m5 iii pixel size ], you'll get 3.20 microns for the R7 and 3.36 microns for the E-M5 III. Doesn't this mean the E-M5 III has a larger pixel size and therefore more incoming light per pixel per second (which is more light signal per second)?

BTW, the RX10M4's pixel size is 2.41 microns, according to the same source, imaging-resource.com.
These days I like to carry both a backpack containing my P1000 (>1.5kg in total) and a shoulder bag containing a tripod, drinks and toilet paper (>1.2kg in total without drinks) under my right shoulder, totally more than 2.7kg, and I feel exhausted after several hours.

So if I'm gonna choose a large-sensor solution to shoot moving subjects like a kingfisher eating a fish, weight is a key issue. The P1000 is already 1.4kg, so I want a camera body + lens weighing no more than 1.5kg.
  • The 1.1kg RX10M4 is an option (provding 24-600mm).
  • The 414g E-M5 III + 985g Panasonic 100-400 = 1399g (1.4kg) is an option (providing 200-800mm). (The Olympus 100-400 also makes a total weight rounding to 1.5kg.)
  • The 612g R7 + 635g RF 100-400 = 1247g (1.2kg) is an option (providing 206-822mm if cropped to 20MP).
Which of the above do you think is the best?
The P1000 is undoubtedly king of stationary-subject photography from 24 to 3000mm.

What we want else is a moving-subject camera. For general purposes, the 24-600mm 20MP Sony RX10M4 is king in this domain.

But for BIF, you probably need to follow the recommendations here: The Best Mirrorless Cameras for Birds in Flight Ranked - Mirrorless Comparison
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
The Canon combo might be slightly better but they are pretty close. What is the price difference between the two combos?
hmm another thing to look up on Photonstophotos.net to see how this affects DR, noise levels, etc. Larger pixel size is better so perhaps the new M43 sensor is actually better than the APS-C sensor in the Canon.
The R7 is newer than the EM5.3 so is the R7 sensor than the EM5.3 sensor, I guess.

The reason why the EM5.3 has a larger pixel size than that of the R7, if you haven't figured out, is that the EM5.3 sensor is 20MP while the R7 one is 33MP, although the R7 is APS-C while the EM5.3 is M4/3.
I do like Olympus systems better overall, they have many many features that other camera makers do not have and the Olympus system has been specifically built around wildlife and bird photography.
The EM5 III performs better on the tests though, and the Canon has artificial 1/3 stop ISO and the EM5 III is better in low light.

If you get the Canon you must use only full stop ISO (100,200, 400, etc)...not the 1/3 stop, as those are just over or under exposure of the full stop ISOs.
 
In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."


only same brand, same generation .

Things that affect that result. The sensor itself, the processor. Then there’s the aperture you can use , the depth of field you need , the resolution and light effectiveness of the lens ( t-stop)

Especially seeing as the Olympus 20mp sensor is a stop better than the 16mp at least to my eyes comparing my em1x to my em10 mk2
 
You're the man (to tear down the Matrix)!
These days I like to carry both a backpack containing my P1000 (>1.5kg in total) and a shoulder bag containing a tripod, drinks and toilet paper (>1.2kg in total without drinks) under my right shoulder, totally more than 2.7kg, and I feel exhausted after several hours.

So if I'm gonna choose a large-sensor solution to shoot moving subjects like a kingfisher eating a fish, weight is a key issue. The P1000 is already 1.4kg, so I want a camera body + lens weighing no more than 1.5kg.
  • The 1.1kg RX10M4 is an option (provding 24-600mm).
  • The 414g E-M5 III + 985g Panasonic 100-400 = 1399g (1.4kg) is an option (providing 200-800mm). (The Olympus 100-400 also makes a total weight rounding to 1.5kg.)
  • The 612g R7 + 635g RF 100-400 = 1247g (1.2kg) is an option (providing 206-822mm if cropped to 20MP).
Which of the above do you think is the best?
The P1000 is undoubtedly king of stationary-subject photography from 24 to 3000mm.

What we want else is a moving-subject camera. For general purposes, the 24-600mm 20MP Sony RX10M4 is king in this domain.

But for BIF, you probably need to follow the recommendations here: The Best Mirrorless Cameras for Birds in Flight Ranked - Mirrorless Comparison
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
The Canon combo might be slightly better but they are pretty close. What is the price difference between the two combos?
Why did you say the Canon combo might be slightly better?
The larger sensor, although they are very close.

Did you look up both camera sensors on Photonstophotos.net, they show some graphs there where you can compare different sensors for noise, DR, etc. The Olympus sensors are very good (especially the new ones) but I think they are one stop behind the APS-C sensors.
The EM5.3 has a smaller sensor size (M4/3 vs. APS-C) but larger pixel size because it's only 20MP (in contrast to the R7's 33MP).

I can view those charts on PhotonsToPhotos.net but can't interpret them. Can you explain them and tell us which is better?

In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."?
I can tell you what to look at.

Higher PDR is better

PDR

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

Read Noise

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/RN_ADU.htm

Input inferred Read Noise

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/RN_e.htm

From these three charts, I would say the EM5 III is better

The PDR of the two cameras is very similar so no better DR for the larger sensor on the Canon.

The Read Noise is actually better (lower) on the Olympus but even more importantly I see some hanky panky on the Input inferred read noise of the Canon! Do you see how the graph points are clustered in groups of three and then there are huge drops? That indicates that the 1/3 step ISO are "digital" (do not use them!)-- they are an underexposure of a higher ISO or an overexposure of a lower ISO (like ISO 125 would be ISO 100 overexposed by 1/3 stop and ISO 160 would be ISO 200 underexposed by 1/3 stop.)

Also have a look at the table at the bottom of the PDR shot, it shows better low light performance by the Olympus! Only by 1/3 stop but still better-- it means more DR at higher ISO.
 
Insightful!
In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."

only same brand, same generation .

Things that affect that result. The sensor itself, the processor. Then there’s the aperture you can use , the depth of field you need , the resolution and light effectiveness of the lens ( t-stop)

Especially seeing as the Olympus 20mp sensor is a stop better than the 16mp at least to my eyes comparing my em1x to my em10 mk2
 
You're the man (to tear down the Matrix)!
These days I like to carry both a backpack containing my P1000 (>1.5kg in total) and a shoulder bag containing a tripod, drinks and toilet paper (>1.2kg in total without drinks) under my right shoulder, totally more than 2.7kg, and I feel exhausted after several hours.

So if I'm gonna choose a large-sensor solution to shoot moving subjects like a kingfisher eating a fish, weight is a key issue. The P1000 is already 1.4kg, so I want a camera body + lens weighing no more than 1.5kg.
  • The 1.1kg RX10M4 is an option (provding 24-600mm).
  • The 414g E-M5 III + 985g Panasonic 100-400 = 1399g (1.4kg) is an option (providing 200-800mm). (The Olympus 100-400 also makes a total weight rounding to 1.5kg.)
  • The 612g R7 + 635g RF 100-400 = 1247g (1.2kg) is an option (providing 206-822mm if cropped to 20MP).
Which of the above do you think is the best?
The P1000 is undoubtedly king of stationary-subject photography from 24 to 3000mm.

What we want else is a moving-subject camera. For general purposes, the 24-600mm 20MP Sony RX10M4 is king in this domain.

But for BIF, you probably need to follow the recommendations here: The Best Mirrorless Cameras for Birds in Flight Ranked - Mirrorless Comparison
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
The Canon combo might be slightly better but they are pretty close. What is the price difference between the two combos?
Why did you say the Canon combo might be slightly better?
The larger sensor, although they are very close.

Did you look up both camera sensors on Photonstophotos.net, they show some graphs there where you can compare different sensors for noise, DR, etc. The Olympus sensors are very good (especially the new ones) but I think they are one stop behind the APS-C sensors.
The EM5.3 has a smaller sensor size (M4/3 vs. APS-C) but larger pixel size because it's only 20MP (in contrast to the R7's 33MP).

I can view those charts on PhotonsToPhotos.net but can't interpret them. Can you explain them and tell us which is better?

In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."?
I can tell you what to look at.

Higher PDR is better

PDR

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

Read Noise

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/RN_ADU.htm

Input inferred Read Noise

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/RN_e.htm

From these three charts, I would say the EM5 III is better

The PDR of the two cameras is very similar so no better DR for the larger sensor on the Canon.

The Read Noise is actually better (lower) on the Olympus but even more importantly I see some hanky panky on the Input inferred read noise of the Canon! Do you see how the graph points are clustered in groups of three and then there are huge drops? That indicates that the 1/3 step ISO are "digital" (do not use them!)-- they are an underexposure of a higher ISO or an overexposure of a lower ISO (like ISO 125 would be ISO 100 overexposed by 1/3 stop and ISO 160 would be ISO 200 underexposed by 1/3 stop.)

Also have a look at the table at the bottom of the PDR shot, it shows better low light performance by the Olympus! Only by 1/3 stop but still better-- it means more DR at higher ISO.
haha you have a way with words! I researched all this when buying cameras it is important otherwise you may be disappointed with the results unless you know what you are getting!
 
In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."

only same brand, same generation .

Things that affect that result. The sensor itself, the processor. Then there’s the aperture you can use , the depth of field you need , the resolution and light effectiveness of the lens ( t-stop)

Especially seeing as the Olympus 20mp sensor is a stop better than the 16mp at least to my eyes comparing my em1x to my em10 mk2
Yes and from all reports the OM1 is even better, I wonder if that is because it is a stacked sensor?

You have a lot of cameras....I think you also have a Fuji DSLR, I remember you mentioned about it being really good for infrared photography (as well as ultraviolet)?

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In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."

only same brand, same generation .

Things that affect that result. The sensor itself, the processor. Then there’s the aperture you can use , the depth of field you need , the resolution and light effectiveness of the lens ( t-stop)

Especially seeing as the Olympus 20mp sensor is a stop better than the 16mp at least to my eyes comparing my em1x to my em10 mk2
Yes and from all reports the OM1 is even better, I wonder if that is because it is a stacked sensor?

You have a lot of cameras....I think you also have a Fuji DSLR, I remember you mentioned about it being really good for infrared photography (as well as ultraviolet)?
I have a Fuji bridge camera that is a factory made full spectrum camera .

I don’t have lots of cameras any more but I had the privilege of having owned and used many . I have an interesting 15 year journey in digital photography.
By the end of next week I’ll be don’t to just a few with most of my bridge cameras going in favour of a Fuji system starting with the xt30
 
In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."

only same brand, same generation .

Things that affect that result. The sensor itself, the processor. Then there’s the aperture you can use , the depth of field you need , the resolution and light effectiveness of the lens ( t-stop)

Especially seeing as the Olympus 20mp sensor is a stop better than the 16mp at least to my eyes comparing my em1x to my em10 mk2
Yes and from all reports the OM1 is even better, I wonder if that is because it is a stacked sensor?

You have a lot of cameras....I think you also have a Fuji DSLR, I remember you mentioned about it being really good for infrared photography (as well as ultraviolet)?
I have a Fuji bridge camera that is a factory made full spectrum camera .

I don’t have lots of cameras any more but I had the privilege of having owned and used many . I have an interesting 15 year journey in digital photography.
By the end of next week I’ll be don’t to just a few with most of my bridge cameras going in favour of a Fuji system starting with the xt30
Let me know what you are thinking of moving out of the fleet in point and shoot/bridge cameras! Thanks!
 
In China there is a saying: "A bigger sensor will beat everything." That's assuming all sensors have the same MP count. To be exact, shouldn't it be: "A bigger pixel will beat everything."

only same brand, same generation .

Things that affect that result. The sensor itself, the processor. Then there’s the aperture you can use , the depth of field you need , the resolution and light effectiveness of the lens ( t-stop)

Especially seeing as the Olympus 20mp sensor is a stop better than the 16mp at least to my eyes comparing my em1x to my em10 mk2
Yes and from all reports the OM1 is even better, I wonder if that is because it is a stacked sensor?

You have a lot of cameras....I think you also have a Fuji DSLR, I remember you mentioned about it being really good for infrared photography (as well as ultraviolet)?
I have a Fuji bridge camera that is a factory made full spectrum camera .

I don’t have lots of cameras any more but I had the privilege of having owned and used many . I have an interesting 15 year journey in digital photography.
By the end of next week I’ll be don’t to just a few with most of my bridge cameras going in favour of a Fuji system starting with the xt30
Downsizing is wise, I have a lot of older cameras I keep in boxes that I just don't use either. Some out of sentiment, some I wonder would anyone even ever want?

I have two Fujis from the 2011-2014 period and most of the others I don't use are from the 2005-2008 period.
 
I think cameras can be divided into two categories:
  • Recreational/travel cameras are what you take when going for a walk, to a park, to tour another city or country. For most people, it has to be no heavier than a pocket camera (and that weight includes the body and all lenses) and it had better not to change lenses, for convenience. These requirements effectively limit the choice to a pocket camera. The 24-840mm Nikon A1000 is good for stationary subjects. The 24-200mm Sony RX100M7 is good for moving subjects. The 24-360mm Panasonic ZS200 sits in the middle.
  • Industrial/specialist/professional cameras are what people use for a serious business or advanced hobby such as construction site inspection, industrial inspection, film making and wedding/sports/bird photography, which typically involves a DSLR/mirrorless and a lens for that specialty/hobby.
In this dichotomy, the RX10M4 seems to be in an embarrassing position: it's neither light enough to be a recreational/travel camera, nor professional enough or long-zoom enough to be an industrial/specialist/professional/birdwatching camera.
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
 
I think cameras can be divided into two categories:
  • Recreational/travel cameras are what you take when going for a walk, to a park, to tour another city or country. For most people, it has to be no heavier than a pocket camera (and that weight includes the body and all lenses) and it had better not to change lenses, for convenience. These requirements effectively limit the choice to a pocket camera. The 24-840mm Nikon A1000 is good for stationary subjects. The 24-200mm Sony RX100M7 is good for moving subjects. The 24-360mm Panasonic ZS200 sits in the middle.
  • Industrial/specialist/professional cameras are what people use for a serious business or advanced hobby such as construction site inspection, industrial inspection, film making and wedding/sports/bird photography, which typically involves a DSLR/mirrorless and a lens for that specialty/hobby.
In this dichotomy, the RX10M4 seems to be in an embarrassing position: it's neither light enough to be a recreational/travel camera, nor professional enough or long-zoom enough to be an industrial/specialist/professional/birdwatching camera.
it’s what is known as a Goldilocks camera as it’s sits in the middle and it’s just right .
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
 
I think cameras can be divided into two categories:
  • Recreational/travel cameras are what you take when going for a walk, to a park, to tour another city or country. For most people, it has to be no heavier than a pocket camera (and that weight includes the body and all lenses) and it had better not to change lenses, for convenience. These requirements effectively limit the choice to a pocket camera. The 24-840mm Nikon A1000 is good for stationary subjects. The 24-200mm Sony RX100M7 is good for moving subjects. The 24-360mm Panasonic ZS200 sits in the middle.
  • Industrial/specialist/professional cameras are what people use for a serious business or advanced hobby such as construction site inspection, industrial inspection, film making and wedding/sports/bird photography, which typically involves a DSLR/mirrorless and a lens for that specialty/hobby.
In this dichotomy, the RX10M4 seems to be in an embarrassing position: it's neither light enough to be a recreational/travel camera, nor professional enough or long-zoom enough to be an industrial/specialist/professional/birdwatching camera.
it’s what is known as a Goldilocks camera as it’s sits in the middle and it’s just right .
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
Except maybe just a little overpriced.

Honestly you can get larger sensored cameras for that price and a decent two lens kit.

My preference is to have two bodies with larger sensors each with their own lens on them. With M43 you can fit all of that into a single camera bag and get the same 600mm EFL.

My other camera bag is for my current superzoom camera lol. I can carry one bag in each hand and cover all my photography situations from astrophotography to birding.
 
Agree. I often take it when got with my dog as is easy to shoot for most anything still or moving and one handed. The other day my wife and I were out shooting snow geese her with the d500/100-400 and me with the dog and RX10M4. We both took around 500 shots. Putting the shots together you would have to look hard to pick out which shots came from each camera. Except for the more wide shots I took.



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In the dichotomy in my original post, the RX10M4 usually doesn't fit the first category (recreational/travel cameras) as it's not compact and light enough from a short outdoor walk to a long-distance trip (to another city or country). It indeed can be an industrial/specialist/professional camera if its 1"-sensor IQ is acceptable for that specialist job and its 24-600mm focal range fits the job too (e.g. sports and wedding photography).

However, in my case (and for many people in this forum), the specialist job is bird photography (including small birds) and long-zoom photography in general (e.g. a distant sight), and the RX10M4's focal range is reluctant for small bird photography.

So, for me, an ideal photography gear collection seems to be:
  • Recreational/travel cameras: A Samsung S21/S22/S23 Ultra with 13-230 or 13-240mm, a Nikon A1000 for 24-840mm mostly stationary subjects, and a Sony RX100M7 for 24-200mm DSLR-like IQ or moving subjects. If only one pocket camera is allowed (which is usually the case for traveling light), it depends on the travel (e.g. an RX100M7 for panda photography) but usually the action-photography camera is preferred.
  • Industrial/specialist/professional cameras: A Nikon P1000 for 24-3000mm stationary bird photography and stationary-subject photography in general, and an Olympus E-M5 III + Olympus 100-400 + Olympus MC14 1.4x Teleconverter (totaling 1.6kg) for 280-1120mm bird action photography and long-zoom action photography in general.
I think cameras can be divided into two categories:
  • Recreational/travel cameras are what you take when going for a walk, to a park, to tour another city or country. For most people, it has to be no heavier than a pocket camera (and that weight includes the body and all lenses) and it had better not to change lenses, for convenience. These requirements effectively limit the choice to a pocket camera. The 24-840mm Nikon A1000 is good for stationary subjects. The 24-200mm Sony RX100M7 is good for moving subjects. The 24-360mm Panasonic ZS200 sits in the middle.
  • Industrial/specialist/professional cameras are what people use for a serious business or advanced hobby such as construction site inspection, industrial inspection, film making and wedding/sports/bird photography, which typically involves a DSLR/mirrorless and a lens for that specialty/hobby.
In this dichotomy, the RX10M4 seems to be in an embarrassing position: it's neither light enough to be a recreational/travel camera, nor professional enough or long-zoom enough to be an industrial/specialist/professional/birdwatching camera.
it’s what is known as a Goldilocks camera as it’s sits in the middle and it’s just right .
Why is that? You'd think that the P1000 gives you the maximum focal range and quality but I always notice one trend, having tried a P1000 an owner will want something better like an ILC or even a Sony RX10 series.

I'm not here to belittle, I just want to understand the reason. Why?

You'd think maximum focal range is everything, but that doesn't seem the case here.

Note: the reason I'm asking this question is because I myself is considering a P1000/P950 purchase.
 
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Have you tried any of these cameras beside the p1000 or just window shopping? If not then your comments are just BS. My experience with the the RX and any oly other than the OM-1 which I own is the RX will shoot circles around any of them as it has much better AF and a stacked sensor. My main comparison was the em1m2 with 300 pro plus the G9/300 pro to the RX10M4. The RX wins for reasons above. If you have not tried the your just blowing smoke!

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