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Upgrade from Win 7 home premium to pro?

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BobKnDP said:
Austinian said:
BobKnDP said:
Austinian said:
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kelpdiver said:
Austinian said:
My guess is that someone using, say, 9front or GNU Hurd is unlikely to have much to fear from the online-criminal community. ;-)
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script kiddies will happily go after any known stale OS versions with defined exploits. The prior poster presumes that his insecure host can safely hide behind the NAT router, but that's not a position I would take with any data or personal information. Nor would I run it on the same network as any other nodes.
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Do you suggest that an outsider can penetrate a router without some sort of malware download?

I suppose not, but just to be sure...
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The router itself can be vulnerable.

https://routersecurity.org/bugs.php
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Jeepers.

Should I be glad that I have a Motorola gateway (modem/router/VOIP)?
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With all those features in one box, IDK if your ISP allows separate devices. I personally prefer a separate cable modem and my own router, which the ISP has no control over and I can update whenever the maker offers new firmware. I don't have VOIP.
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My preference is the same. But at my age, I still prefer a landline. (Even if it dies during power outages.)
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SWMBO wants a landline, so we have one despite AT&T being IMO both incompetent and overpriced.
BobKnDP said:
At the time of the upgrade, I was unable to find a cable modem that met my requirements. Perhaps I didn't look hard enough.
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My ISP (Spectrum) supplies an Arris (formerly Motorola) cable modem that's plugged into my router.
 
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BobKnDP said:
Do you suggest that an outsider can penetrate a router without some sort of malware download?

I suppose not, but just to be sure...
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certainly.

1- for a long while, routers shipped with a default password, and many customers never changed it.

2- a much larger set of customers never update the firmware on the router. Most are linux based and are vulnerable to the same kernel and service exploits. This requires patching.

3- eventually manufacturers stop providing updates. That's when it's time to upgrade.

4- and some customers exposure the router to external access, or open ports for remote access to the inside. This can be done well, or badly.

I'll leave it to speculation if a home that is still running Win 7 has a current router config.
 
kelpdiver said:
BobKnDP said:
Do you suggest that an outsider can penetrate a router without some sort of malware download?

I suppose not, but just to be sure...
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certainly.

1- for a long while, routers shipped with a default password, and many customers never changed it.

2- a much larger set of customers never update the firmware on the router. Most are linux based and are vulnerable to the same kernel and service exploits. This requires patching.

3- eventually manufacturers stop providing updates. That's when it's time to upgrade.

4- and some customers exposure the router to external access, or open ports for remote access to the inside. This can be done well, or badly.

I'll leave it to speculation if a home that is still running Win 7 has a current router config.
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Are routers normally set up so they can be logged into from the external network? That would be very bad, passwords aside.

I can't pretend to know anything about router vulnerabilities.

Whenever I see a news article on the Web about a new vuln, the first thing I look for is whether it requires physical access to the hardware to exploit. Attacks that can't be done remotely still should have patches applied to prevent them, but aren't exciting (IMHO).

I recall when I was running XP, I'd get spam popups that used a means intended for messages from sysadmins. I presume that such a machine would be recruited into a botnet in milliseconds today.
 
BobKnDP said:
Are routers normally set up so they can be logged into from the external network? That would be very bad, passwords aside.

I can't pretend to know anything about router vulnerabilities.
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It would be unusual nowadays, or even in the past, for a router to default to being open to remote access. It gets opened by users that want to set up a remote access like MyPC, or a game server, or most likely, access to a NAS. This is how the Qnap bitlocker and Synology randomware attacks generally occur.
 
Carey Brown said:
My 4yr old desktop did not meet the Windows 11 hardware requirements so I couldn't upgrade from W10. I would doubt that an even older W7 machine would meet the requirements.

Wasn't there some Microsoft program you could run to see if your machine is compatible with W11?
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The Microsoft PC Health Check utility.

I'm not sure that it's the best. A year ago, its original version wasn't very informative. There are third-party utilities for the same purpose.

11's requirements are listed here. The TPM requirement is often met on newer motherboards by a firmware TPM. (No discrete module.) On an AMD machine, it's fTPM. Intel, PTT (platform trust technology). I mention those to facilitate searching your motherboard's manual. There's another requirement (virtualization) if you wish to enable core isolation, but it's not required to install 11.

For supported CPUs, see AMD or Intel.

Except for the CPU requirement, all of the hardware security features are present in Windows 10. I never enabled TPM or core isolation.
 
I had a vm machine many years ago but don't remember if I liked it or not and besides, there's no way in hell I can install something like that on my own but thanks.
 
I have NOD32 from Eset and I never get viruses either and yes, I go to shady sites, I just down consent to every damn pop up I see.
 
Rambow said:
Whatever works on W7 also works on W10 and most should work on W11 as well.

Trouble is, on W10 and 11 resources are used up even while idling and i need 2X more clicks to do the same basic tasks.

Then you have ads that pop up from nowhere.

There's no way to make W10 look and act like W7.

And since W11 has a very similar interface with W10, there's no point to W10 anymore(was there ever?).
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Ads?
 
Rambow said:
It's obsolete but still works.

There is a reason an OS comes in several variants, the most expensive being maybe 2X more expensive than the basic OS package.

W7 has indeed a ram cap on its cheaper variants, you need to go PRO or Ultimate to be able to use as much ram as you want.

If i was OP, i wouldn't bother with this just for the sake of adding more ram. W7 is not like W11, where all the ram is used by the OS even in idle mode.
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When you say you wouldn't bother with this, what do you mean?
 
I'm NOT saying they won't be compatible, I'm just saying that I have my doubts and that I have a buttload of programs that I want to be compatible that I use from time to time. Some 40 different programs (mostly shareware).

Also, I DO prefer the older versions even if I could upgrade. Seems to me, they often screw up newer versions.
 
BobKnDP said:
I'm pretty sure that it's still possible to install Windows 10 as an upgrade (preserving data and programs, mostly).
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Not an issue for me. The guy that built my current puter also did an SSD with win 10 so that if I wanted, I could switch and practice to see if I liked it. He almost refused to build it with win 7 but finally caved in.
 
guiri said:
Guys, apperntly win 7 home premium only uses up to 16 gigs and I'll have to upgrade to pro to use my 32 gigs of ram. So, I looked up how to upgrade and here's what it said.

"In Windows 7 Home Premium, type Anytime Upgrade in the Search programs and files box in the Start menu and click on the Windows Anytime Upgrade icon. From there, you can enter your retail (Full or Upgrade) Windows 7 Professional/Ultimate product key and perform a simple upgrade."
Is it that simple and how do I know if the files needed ARE on my computer already?
Thanks
George
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Yes, it's that simple - just do it from control panel. You could have purchased a key the control panel in the past, but they stopped supporting Windows 7 three years ago (and security patches ceased this month) so no more purchasing of the key from Microsoft. You could purchase a key somewhere else, but you should check with Microsoft if their activation servers still accept Windows 7 activation/upgrades. If they don't, then maybe there's a hack to upgrade, in which case you'll have to try and find it.
 
guiri said:
guiri said:
My preference is the same. But at my age, I still prefer a landline. (Even if it dies during power outages.)
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Why would your landline die during an outage?
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With analog landline service, the telephone company provided power on the line.

With digital landline service, you have on-premises equipment between the incoming fiber or cable line and your phones. That equipment needs power to operate. I had Verizon FIOS service at one time, and Verizon put a LOT of equipment into a closet – including a battery. If AC power went out, you had about 8 – 16 hours (or so) during which you could use the phone before the battery charge ran out …and you had no phone service until electric power was restored. There was one winter storm which caused power outages long enough that the FIOS phone service did die.

With my current cable TV/phone/Internet setup, the Internet and VOIP router has a place where you can install a backup battery – but I don't think that the router came with one.

That accounts for dial tone.

The base unit for my cordless landline phones also requires power to operate (more than it gets from the analog phone line). In the event that AC power is unavailable, it can leech power off of a docked, charged handset.
 
Rambow said:
Either keep W7 or switch to W11.

W10, 8.1 and Vista are all irrelevant.
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WIndows 10 doesn't become irrelevant until Oct 14, 2025. I will be running it until then on at least some of my computers.
 
guiri said:
You sound just like my computer guy...hater :)
The problem is that not only do I not want to learn win 10 but I also have a buttload of software that won't work on it and I can't afford to upgrade all the programs and I don't want to 'cause in many cases, I prefer the older versions of my software :(
George
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I feel your pain.

I had a couple of programs that required a XP Virtual Machine to run at Windows 7. All worked fine.

For ages I resisted to upgrade to Win 10 and the VM was one of my main reasons... finally I gave up. I lost a few applications but I miss above all my Macsyma... :-(

I went to Win 10 and some time afterwards, Win 11. I never figured out a solution for my lost functionality.

Otherwise the VM, the newer versions are better the version 7.

Good luck in your endeavor.

All the best,

--
O.Cristo - An Amateur Photographer
Opinions of men are almost as various as their faces - so many men so many minds. B. Franklin
 
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I would buy from ebay if I'm gonna do it but now I know to check with Microsuck.

Thanks


George
 
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