Surely the fact that the ownership has changed is the most important factor in the change in pricing policy? And he clearly didn't know about that key factor.
From 2014 Phase one was 60% owned by Silver Fleet Capital until 2019 when Axcel acquired 56% ownership.
No free feature upgrades. Maybe no free bug fix upgrades. I'm not sure whether the discounted/free perpetual copy is eligible for the same upgrade pricing that they offer to people who pay full price for their perpetual copies.
You get 20% off the price of the then-current perpetual version for each full year that you've been a subscriber (if you're at least one day into the next subscription period). That means that after five continuous years and a day, if you want to stop subscribing, you can get one copy of the then-current perpetual version for 100% off.
It does lessen the risks since you can convert to perpetual at any time and retain full use of your existing library (unlike with LR).C1's new subscription model could well tempt many perpetual license users to move to subscription with these new terms. Interesting times
Yes, that seems a reasonable assessment. LR does let you use your library but not full editing capabilities which is crucial as that's why you buy the software for, so retaining ful editing capability is a big plus for subscribers to C1.It does lessen the risks since you can convert to perpetual at any time and retain full use of your existing library (unlike with LR).C1's new subscription model could well tempt many perpetual license users to move to subscription with these new terms. Interesting times
But, if you EVER skip a perpetual license upgrade (because you just don't need what they offered in the new version or you're not super active at the time), then the perpetual license is less expensive than the subscription and already has the ability to edit your existing library for as long as you can run that perpetual version.
They try to make a big deal about the discount you get if you upgrade your perpetual every year, but if you skip one year of upgrades every once in a while you will save money so the discount isn't enough to offset that.
So, far in my history with Capture One, they have about a 50% hit rate in making me interested in upgrading in any given year. If they improve layers or color editing, I'll probably be a buyer. But, culling and tethering (this year's improvements) are not in my workflow so of no interest to me. So, I'll stick with upgrading only when they offer me something of real value to my workflow.
So, I really look at the subscription as only offering value if you are the kind that ALWAYS buys every upgrade or you have to have immediate access to any released feature upgrade. Then, you would save money by subscribing.
As I am talking about the subscription "model" and not cost, how is the Adobe model better?
Keep in mind that you can cancel the subscription and convert to perpetual at any time. You don't have to wait for 5 years. After 5 years, the conversion to perpetual is free. Before 5 years, it costs you some money on a sliding scale based on how long you've subscribed. But, the max the conversion costs (for example, in year 0) is the retail price of a perpetual license. The longer you've been subscribed, the less the conversion costs.
I guess you could say half/third of the cost for 3 times the number of apps with a permanent, non OS expiry-dependent off ramp allowing perpetual access to your catalogs even if you only subscribe and use for a week, let alone 5 years! Plus a simple, clear pricing / access structure. I think I'd agree they have a vastly better model...
I think OS version obsolescence could be key here though - especially on a mac. Hard to forecast in reality thoughYes, that seems a reasonable assessment. LR does let you use your library but not full editing capabilities which is crucial as that's why you buy the software for, so retaining ful editing capability is a big plus for subscribers to C1.It does lessen the risks since you can convert to perpetual at any time and retain full use of your existing library (unlike with LR).C1's new subscription model could well tempt many perpetual license users to move to subscription with these new terms. Interesting times
But, if you EVER skip a perpetual license upgrade (because you just don't need what they offered in the new version or you're not super active at the time), then the perpetual license is less expensive than the subscription and already has the ability to edit your existing library for as long as you can run that perpetual version.
They try to make a big deal about the discount you get if you upgrade your perpetual every year, but if you skip one year of upgrades every once in a while you will save money so the discount isn't enough to offset that.
So, far in my history with Capture One, they have about a 50% hit rate in making me interested in upgrading in any given year. If they improve layers or color editing, I'll probably be a buyer. But, culling and tethering (this year's improvements) are not in my workflow so of no interest to me. So, I'll stick with upgrading only when they offer me something of real value to my workflow.
So, I really look at the subscription as only offering value if you are the kind that ALWAYS buys every upgrade or you have to have immediate access to any released feature upgrade. Then, you would save money by subscribing.
Ian
Uh, you mean only on a Mac. I'm still running Adobe Lightroom 6 (shipped 7+ years ago in 2015) on my Windows PC. And, I can still run my copy of Photoshop CS6 which shipped over 10 years ago in 2012 (though I generally use Affinity Photo now to have access to more modern features).I think OS version obsolescence could be key here though - especially on a mac. Hard to forecast in reality thoughYes, that seems a reasonable assessment. LR does let you use your library but not full editing capabilities which is crucial as that's why you buy the software for, so retaining ful editing capability is a big plus for subscribers to C1.It does lessen the risks since you can convert to perpetual at any time and retain full use of your existing library (unlike with LR).C1's new subscription model could well tempt many perpetual license users to move to subscription with these new terms. Interesting times
But, if you EVER skip a perpetual license upgrade (because you just don't need what they offered in the new version or you're not super active at the time), then the perpetual license is less expensive than the subscription and already has the ability to edit your existing library for as long as you can run that perpetual version.
They try to make a big deal about the discount you get if you upgrade your perpetual every year, but if you skip one year of upgrades every once in a while you will save money so the discount isn't enough to offset that.
So, far in my history with Capture One, they have about a 50% hit rate in making me interested in upgrading in any given year. If they improve layers or color editing, I'll probably be a buyer. But, culling and tethering (this year's improvements) are not in my workflow so of no interest to me. So, I'll stick with upgrading only when they offer me something of real value to my workflow.
So, I really look at the subscription as only offering value if you are the kind that ALWAYS buys every upgrade or you have to have immediate access to any released feature upgrade. Then, you would save money by subscribing.
Ian
Yeah agreed, that's what I meant by hard to forecast - I am not sure how many versions you have to go back with C1 before there are compatibility issues - whether it would be a few years or a decade or more? Still, I guess eventually...Uh, you mean only on a Mac. I'm still running Adobe Lightroom 6 (shipped 7+ years ago in 2015) on my Windows PC. And, I can still run my copy of Photoshop CS6 which shipped over 10 years ago in 2012 (though I generally use Affinity Photo now to have access to more modern features).I think OS version obsolescence could be key here though - especially on a mac. Hard to forecast in reality thoughYes, that seems a reasonable assessment. LR does let you use your library but not full editing capabilities which is crucial as that's why you buy the software for, so retaining ful editing capability is a big plus for subscribers to C1.It does lessen the risks since you can convert to perpetual at any time and retain full use of your existing library (unlike with LR).C1's new subscription model could well tempt many perpetual license users to move to subscription with these new terms. Interesting times
But, if you EVER skip a perpetual license upgrade (because you just don't need what they offered in the new version or you're not super active at the time), then the perpetual license is less expensive than the subscription and already has the ability to edit your existing library for as long as you can run that perpetual version.
They try to make a big deal about the discount you get if you upgrade your perpetual every year, but if you skip one year of upgrades every once in a while you will save money so the discount isn't enough to offset that.
So, far in my history with Capture One, they have about a 50% hit rate in making me interested in upgrading in any given year. If they improve layers or color editing, I'll probably be a buyer. But, culling and tethering (this year's improvements) are not in my workflow so of no interest to me. So, I'll stick with upgrading only when they offer me something of real value to my workflow.
So, I really look at the subscription as only offering value if you are the kind that ALWAYS buys every upgrade or you have to have immediate access to any released feature upgrade. Then, you would save money by subscribing.
Ian
I'm not saying things never stop working on Windows, but there are far fewer architectural shifts that break backward compatibility in the Windows world.
Historically, incompatible changes on Windows are more likely to happen with things that need device drivers as the stability and security model there changes from time to time, but that doesn't usually affect regular apps.
I'm not sure whether software makers love Apple (because they regularly require their users to buy new software to maintain compatibility) or hate Apple because they regularly require development to modify their build for new hardware and deal with compatibility issues in support.
This exact Package was 79 Euros at Amazon on black Friday.
I renewed my perpetual license every year. What's the goody now for me. I was a reliable customer, a company can dream of.
From the 14th Feb, if you have a perpetual licence and you switch to subscription you keep your current perpetual licence.
I does not help a lot, because it's not backward compatible.
Quite correct, I see this as a real advantage for the loyal customers that have purchased C! 23. There are so many ill informed comments around.
