Upgrade from Win 7 home premium to pro?

And that running Firefox on a Win 7 machine in 2023 is asking to get yourself hacked to pieces. It's like smearing pig blood all over your body and walking into a lion's savannah.
Kelpdiver - why not say what you really think?

It was the lack of MS support for continuing security that finally made me drop Win 7, which, actually, I rather liked.
And here i am, still browsing on W7 on all 3 of my computers, with no virus protection..... and nothing happens.

Shady websites? Yes i go there. Still no issues.

In reality, as long as you don't install unknown software on your computer and don't work for the NSA, you should be alright.

If a hacker wants to exploit your particular computer and you are connected to the internet they will do it no matter what OS you are using.
 
It's obsolete but still works.

There is a reason an OS comes in several variants, the most expensive being maybe 2X more expensive than the basic OS package.

W7 has indeed a ram cap on its cheaper variants, you need to go PRO or Ultimate to be able to use as much ram as you want.

If i was OP, i wouldn't bother with this just for the sake of adding more ram. W7 is not like W11, where all the ram is used by the OS even in idle mode.
 
I use linux mainly for web hosting. Once or twice a year I have to rebuild linux on a server.
Not understand what the heck this is about, Simon.

Linux servers don't die every 6 months, and building one is trivial - a 20 minute exercise in a VM instance, for example. 'yum install apache mysql php' is a lot easier, faster than doing it in Windows. Or just get the prebuilt container with the LAMP stack and call it a day.

If you're finding it to be convoluted, manual process, something about the process is wrong.
Well, it may be because you are more knowledgeable about linux than I am, and perhaps I'm not using it as efficiently as you. I spend time googling and reading on the tasks I need, but I'm sure there may be better ways of doing things. As with everthing, if one is an expert and regular user, these things are trivial and done without thinking, and it's easy to underestimate massively the challenges for a less frequent user, let alone for a beginner.

By the by: you say you can install a LAMP stack with one command. There's much more to it than simply using yum (or in my case apt install) to install a few packages. Looking at the process described at https://www.digitalocean.com/commun...x-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-20-04 the overall process takes just under 40 individual steps. And all that before you install an actual website.

And you're right that linux servers don't die every 6 months, but in my experience updates do sometimes screw things up. As updates include security updates, I really don't want to avoid keeping a web server updated.

On my most recent occasion, the problem was because I had multiple versions of php installed. This is because some Wordpress plugins require specific (older) versions of php. I now know that there can be problems with multiple versions of php, and an update (a standard apt upgrade) stopped php working (any version), and thus Wordpress websites stopped working. Maybe I'd done something wrong in the way I installed the multiple versions, but I followed something I found by googling. As I'm not an expert on php installations I couldn't initially figure out what to do (removing reinstalling php and apache didn't fix it).

So I built a new system (I'm running linux on VMs so the number of "machines" I have is limited only by storage). Eventually, I did get php working on the earlier build, so I have the older build as a backup.

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Whatever works on W7 also works on W10 and most should work on W11 as well.

Trouble is, on W10 and 11 resources are used up even while idling and i need 2X more clicks to do the same basic tasks.

Then you have ads that pop up from nowhere.

There's no way to make W10 look and act like W7.

And since W11 has a very similar interface with W10, there's no point to W10 anymore(was there ever?).
I can't speak to software compatibility. So far, in 11, the only software that I definitely had to update was some X-Rite stuff (now Calibrite). I think that the updated software may still be somewhat broken, though. That was going from Win10.

There can be issues with really old drivers. Windows 7 supported XPDM/XDDM graphics drivers (for Windows XP). Windows 8 and newer do not.

"resources are used up"? I'm on 11. With just a web browser window open, my memory usage (as reported in Task Manager) is 10%. (Of 64GB, I admit.) I don't skimp on RAM in my builds, but the Windows memory manager is supposed to be effective, and to not lead to excessive use of (slow) virtual memory.

If you have "ads that pop up from nowhere" on your Windows 11 desktop, I'd guess that you have a problem. Presumably some sort of adware. It's not native to Win 11.

(The free version of Malwarebytes is good at spotting, and removing, adware.)

2X more clicks? That's certainly true of the context menus in 11. There are modifications that restore the one-window context menu of 10, but I haven't used them.
 
I’m in the same Win 7 boat. I like it, everything works great, but here’s the issue. My computers are 10 yrs old as are the apps. They work but I cannot use newer Software that requires win 10 minimum. Same with newer cameras that now have file formats that require the newer software. I upgraded to ssd’s recently and that helped but doesn’t help with newer software requirements. So I could upgrade to win 10, reinstall programs (painful), get all new software, camera upgrade, etc, but expect a very slow computer as a result. Win 10/11 interface doesn’t bother me, it’s a budget issue. I’m hoping 2023 will bring some deals and just get a new system that will work for the next 10 years as win 7 did? 🤷
 
I’m in the same Win 7 boat. I like it, everything works great, but here’s the issue. My computers are 10 yrs old as are the apps. They work but I cannot use newer Software that requires win 10 minimum. Same with newer cameras that now have file formats that require the newer software. I upgraded to ssd’s recently and that helped but doesn’t help with newer software requirements. So I could upgrade to win 10, reinstall programs (painful), get all new software, camera upgrade, etc, but expect a very slow computer as a result. Win 10/11 interface doesn’t bother me, it’s a budget issue. I’m hoping 2023 will bring some deals and just get a new system that will work for the next 10 years as win 7 did? 🤷
I'm pretty sure that it's still possible to install Windows 10 as an upgrade (preserving data and programs, mostly).

As always, with a major OS change, image your boot drive first. That's a capability you should have, regardless of upgrades. (Permits fixing a damaged OS, in minutes, by restoring a prior good state.)

Windows 10 will probably run about a fast on old hardware as 7. That doesn't mean that newer software would run well, In particular, AI software (DXO Photolab, Topaz AI products, etc.) benefits from a fairly up-to-date graphics card.

10 years? Maybe the robot apocalypse will happen before then. ;-)
 
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My guess is that someone using, say, 9front or GNU Hurd is unlikely to have much to fear from the online-criminal community. ;-)
script kiddies will happily go after any known stale OS versions with defined exploits. The prior poster presumes that his insecure host can safely hide behind the NAT router, but that's not a position I would take with any data or personal information. Nor would I run it on the same network as any other nodes.
 
By the by: you say you can install a LAMP stack with one command. There's much more to it than simply using yum (or in my case apt install) to install a few packages. Looking at the process described at https://www.digitalocean.com/commun...x-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-20-04 the overall process takes just under 40 individual steps. And all that before you install an actual website.

And you're right that linux servers don't die every 6 months, but in my experience updates do sometimes screw things up. As updates include security updates, I really don't want to avoid keeping a web server updated.
So I'm saying this should not be such a hardship for you, and it would be well worth the time to work that out. And the easy route is likely to be a docker container prebuilt with what you need, as Wordpress is an extremely popular item. Configuration management like Puppet can help you manage the configs.

Patching should not break your system either. But perhaps that's less true on the fringe variants out there, but you should be using an Enterprise Linux or Ubunutu brand choice. I patched 150k servers several times a month for going on 8 years without such casualties on EL5/6/7 and soon 9. The primary design principal for EL is stability.

My debian/ubuntu experience is lighter, but I think there's a reason why it is far less common to use for production. apt seems messy on a good day.
 
My guess is that someone using, say, 9front or GNU Hurd is unlikely to have much to fear from the online-criminal community. ;-)
script kiddies will happily go after any known stale OS versions with defined exploits. The prior poster presumes that his insecure host can safely hide behind the NAT router, but that's not a position I would take with any data or personal information. Nor would I run it on the same network as any other nodes.
Do you suggest that an outsider can penetrate a router without some sort of malware download?

I suppose not, but just to be sure...
 
My guess is that someone using, say, 9front or GNU Hurd is unlikely to have much to fear from the online-criminal community. ;-)
script kiddies will happily go after any known stale OS versions with defined exploits. The prior poster presumes that his insecure host can safely hide behind the NAT router, but that's not a position I would take with any data or personal information. Nor would I run it on the same network as any other nodes.
Somehow I doubt if there's much in the way of script-kiddie exploits for the OSs I mentioned. :-)

That certainly doesn't apply to any consumer-oriented OS. I regard running unsupported versions of those as an entirely unnecessary risk I see no reason to take.
 
After thinking about it, I’d still be handy capped with an older graphic card, which could limit some of the newer image software requirements. I had maxed the ram so no issue there. But It may be time to rethink a new system.
 
My guess is that someone using, say, 9front or GNU Hurd is unlikely to have much to fear from the online-criminal community. ;-)
script kiddies will happily go after any known stale OS versions with defined exploits. The prior poster presumes that his insecure host can safely hide behind the NAT router, but that's not a position I would take with any data or personal information. Nor would I run it on the same network as any other nodes.
Do you suggest that an outsider can penetrate a router without some sort of malware download?

I suppose not, but just to be sure...
The router itself can be vulnerable.

 
My 4yr old desktop did not meet the Windows 11 hardware requirements so I couldn't upgrade from W10. I would doubt that an even older W7 machine would meet the requirements.

Wasn't there some Microsoft program you could run to see if your machine is compatible with W11?
 
My guess is that someone using, say, 9front or GNU Hurd is unlikely to have much to fear from the online-criminal community. ;-)
script kiddies will happily go after any known stale OS versions with defined exploits. The prior poster presumes that his insecure host can safely hide behind the NAT router, but that's not a position I would take with any data or personal information. Nor would I run it on the same network as any other nodes.
Do you suggest that an outsider can penetrate a router without some sort of malware download?

I suppose not, but just to be sure...
The router itself can be vulnerable.

https://routersecurity.org/bugs.php
Jeepers.

Should I be glad that I have a Motorola gateway (modem/router/VOIP)?
 
My guess is that someone using, say, 9front or GNU Hurd is unlikely to have much to fear from the online-criminal community. ;-)
script kiddies will happily go after any known stale OS versions with defined exploits. The prior poster presumes that his insecure host can safely hide behind the NAT router, but that's not a position I would take with any data or personal information. Nor would I run it on the same network as any other nodes.
Do you suggest that an outsider can penetrate a router without some sort of malware download?

I suppose not, but just to be sure...
The router itself can be vulnerable.

https://routersecurity.org/bugs.php
Jeepers.

Should I be glad that I have a Motorola gateway (modem/router/VOIP)?
With all those features in one box, IDK if your ISP allows separate devices. I personally prefer a separate cable modem and my own router, which the ISP has no control over and I can update whenever the maker offers new firmware. I don't have VOIP.
 
My 4yr old desktop did not meet the Windows 11 hardware requirements so I couldn't upgrade from W10. I would doubt that an even older W7 machine would meet the requirements.
There are various hacks to allow 11 to be installed on officially-incompatible PCs, but I haven't done that myself. I've read that there's an 11 installation helper called Rufus that can fix several issues at once.
Wasn't there some Microsoft program you could run to see if your machine is compatible with W11?
 
My guess is that someone using, say, 9front or GNU Hurd is unlikely to have much to fear from the online-criminal community. ;-)
script kiddies will happily go after any known stale OS versions with defined exploits. The prior poster presumes that his insecure host can safely hide behind the NAT router, but that's not a position I would take with any data or personal information. Nor would I run it on the same network as any other nodes.
Do you suggest that an outsider can penetrate a router without some sort of malware download?

I suppose not, but just to be sure...
The router itself can be vulnerable.

https://routersecurity.org/bugs.php
Jeepers.

Should I be glad that I have a Motorola gateway (modem/router/VOIP)?
With all those features in one box, IDK if your ISP allows separate devices. I personally prefer a separate cable modem and my own router, which the ISP has no control over and I can update whenever the maker offers new firmware. I don't have VOIP.
My preference is the same. But at my age, I still prefer a landline. (Even if it dies during power outages.)

At the time of the upgrade, I was unable to find a cable modem that met my requirements. Perhaps I didn't look hard enough.
 

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