Nikon Z90

I don't think that Nikon will release a 'Z90' as MILC alternative to the D500. For me, much more likely is that the hypothetical 'Z8' (Z9 technology in Z6/Z7 body) will be released. In DX mode this will be roughly equivalent to the D500 (~20MP), but at the same time gives the FX option. I think the niche of the D500 users is too small to rectify the investment needed to produce a DX version of the Z9 sensor.
Many of us who want a Z500 are requiring more than a 20mp equivalent DX mode from a much more expensive full frame body. I think you will find most will want 30mp or more. Do you know that the canon R7 has 32,5mp, and the fuji H2s has 26mp. these are bodies designed to take customers who want a Z500 away from Nikon.
Well said, and very true ...

... and while there would be some trade-off with speed (compared to the X-H2s), the Fuji X-H2 (not 's') has a 40mp BSI, APS-C sensor and still shoots at 15 FPS with a mechanical shutter. Remarkably, it is priced at $2000. If my math is at least near correct, it would take 95mp in a full frame body to equal the pixel density of a 40mp APS-C. I'm not saying that is what Nikon needs to do, and I don't expect them to equal the Z9, as the past pro DX bodies equaled their flagship "big brothers", but it needs to be at least in the high 20mp's to get my money ... and, if they do that, Nikon WILL get my money ... provided they do it soon enough, that is, before I, (as some already have) jump to a Fuji.

Jiberlin wrote: "I think the niche of the D500 users is too small to rectify the investment needed to produce a DX version of the Z9 sensor."

I would not agree, however I don't know where to find figures to support my dissent. I can say, though, even after seven years, I still see several D500 shooters posting in the Nature and Wildlife forum, and I can remember the very heavy participation in the Nikon PRO DX forum for several years after 2016, and now, these type of discussions are beginning to occur more frequently in that forum, as well. It's no surprise that our numbers are now dwindling, and one does not have to wonder why, as the state of the art has moved far beyond 2016 technology. We are hungry to have the new technology in a more densely populated APS-C sensor, and a PRO body, similar to, but smaller than the Z9, much like the D500 was to the D5, and the D300 was to the D3.

Happy New Year!

Arnie
I am someone who would buy a new Nikon Z mount APS-C camera, if it's about the same speed as and has similar features to the Fuji X-H2, has a high-resolution sensor (enough to do 8K video), and costs under $2,000. I'm seriously considering an X-H2 right now, but it doesn't have GPS, and I have Nikon lenses, and don't really want to have to buy some Fuji lenses. Just an APS-C body by Nikon would let me use the great lenses I already have. I want to shoot 8K video though, and the Fuji is the least expensive multi-role camera that does that. I love its massive shooting buffer too. Fuji seems to be on a roll, and I just might jump on the Fuji bandwagon. My friends LOVE their Fuji medium format cameras and lenses.
Fortunately, there is an adapter that allows using Nikon F mount lenses on Fuji X, with full functionality. There are some shooters who participate here, on DPR that are doing exactly that, with outstanding results.

I, also would prefer a Nikon Z camera that would have similar features to the X-H2S, but I wouldn't constrain Nikon to $2000 ... The X-H2S is $2500, which I believe Nikon could do. Remember that you will still need and adapter to use F-mount lenses on a Z Body.

Lack of GPS on the X-H2 would not be a deal breaker for me. There are probably some devices or even phone apps that can supply GPS info. And, YES, the features on the X-H2 make it very attractive at $2000.
 
I don't think there's enough appetite for a $2,500 crop body for the full frame companies to consider when they can make and sell more $2k~$2.6k full frame bodies (Z6, R6(ii), a7iii/iv) than Fujifilm sell their $2k crop bodies.

So why would Fujifilm still make those crop bodies? Because they have to. It's their X-mount flagship body, that's where all new and future tech development goes, and by default, it's the tip and also smallest part of the buying universe.

For the three full frame companies (Panasonic doesn't have aps-c), they will probably eye the bigger chunk of the crop market in the sub $1k R10/X-S10/a6400/Z50 and arguably the $1.5k R7/X-T5 segments.

Now do I expect Nikon to answer to the X-T5 and R7? Sure. That is also about the same, if not higher, technical capability as the D500 back in the day, for less money. That's going to be more or less sufficient if one is looking for a "pro crop" body. But if one wants is a bleeding edge crop body regardless of how capable the rest of the crop bodies are, then Fujifilm is the only one who will do that.
 
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I wonder what the market would be for a Z90. The Z5 is positioned at the next price point above the Z50. The Z90 should be positioned in between and that just doesn't make sense in the current market. If Z50 is not good enough buy an FX Z.
No, Z90 doesn't have to be in between Z50 and Z5. In fact, looking at the proposed spec of stacked sensor and assuming very fast AF and frame rates, a whole lot of birders will happily pay more than Z5 price.
I'll suggest the Fujifilm X-H2S goes a long way toward setting the market for a Z90 built around a stacked sensor and other Z9 goodies. If the Z90 hits the streets at $2,495 or less it'll have no problem finding customers.
I recently saw a 3 way comparison between the XT5, R6II and A7IV. Despite the Fuji having the most megapixels it was being outresolved by the FF sensors.

Seriously?

The guy shoots a moving subject with his lenses wide open, and you think that's going to show which camera resolves more detail?

Have you ever seen an MTF graph for a lens? The sharpest performance is almost NEVER wide open (with the exception of some telephoto lenses). What the guy SHOULD have done is stop down to f4, with the camera on a tripod, and shoot a city scene with the electronic shutter.

Ultimately, the sensor size doesn't mean much. What matters is lens performance and sensor performance (including resolution/megapixels). Resolving power of the system is what matters, and the Fuji can surely resolve more detail, given the right shooting situation. I'd like to see a good comparison between the Sony A7r III with the Sigma 105mm f2.8 Art at f5.6 and the Fuji X-T5 with a Fuji 80mm f2.8 macro set to f4 . . . using a tripod, and doing the test "properly" (i.e. using electronic shutter mode on a static subject, with a remote trigger, etc.).
 
I don't think that Nikon will release a 'Z90' as MILC alternative to the D500. For me, much more likely is that the hypothetical 'Z8' (Z9 technology in Z6/Z7 body) will be released. In DX mode this will be roughly equivalent to the D500 (~20MP), but at the same time gives the FX option. I think the niche of the D500 users is too small to rectify the investment needed to produce a DX version of the Z9 sensor.
Many of us who want a Z500 are requiring more than a 20mp equivalent DX mode from a much more expensive full frame body. I think you will find most will want 30mp or more. Do you know that the canon R7 has 32,5mp, and the fuji H2s has 26mp. these are bodies designed to take customers who want a Z500 away from Nikon.
Well said, and very true ...

... and while there would be some trade-off with speed (compared to the X-H2s), the Fuji X-H2 (not 's') has a 40mp BSI, APS-C sensor and still shoots at 15 FPS with a mechanical shutter. Remarkably, it is priced at $2000. If my math is at least near correct, it would take 95mp in a full frame body to equal the pixel density of a 40mp APS-C. I'm not saying that is what Nikon needs to do, and I don't expect them to equal the Z9, as the past pro DX bodies equaled their flagship "big brothers", but it needs to be at least in the high 20mp's to get my money ... and, if they do that, Nikon WILL get my money ... provided they do it soon enough, that is, before I, (as some already have) jump to a Fuji.

Jiberlin wrote: "I think the niche of the D500 users is too small to rectify the investment needed to produce a DX version of the Z9 sensor."

I would not agree, however I don't know where to find figures to support my dissent. I can say, though, even after seven years, I still see several D500 shooters posting in the Nature and Wildlife forum, and I can remember the very heavy participation in the Nikon PRO DX forum for several years after 2016, and now, these type of discussions are beginning to occur more frequently in that forum, as well. It's no surprise that our numbers are now dwindling, and one does not have to wonder why, as the state of the art has moved far beyond 2016 technology. We are hungry to have the new technology in a more densely populated APS-C sensor, and a PRO body, similar to, but smaller than the Z9, much like the D500 was to the D5, and the D300 was to the D3.

Happy New Year!

Arnie
I am someone who would buy a new Nikon Z mount APS-C camera, if it's about the same speed as and has similar features to the Fuji X-H2, has a high-resolution sensor (enough to do 8K video), and costs under $2,000. I'm seriously considering an X-H2 right now, but it doesn't have GPS, and I have Nikon lenses, and don't really want to have to buy some Fuji lenses. Just an APS-C body by Nikon would let me use the great lenses I already have. I want to shoot 8K video though, and the Fuji is the least expensive multi-role camera that does that. I love its massive shooting buffer too. Fuji seems to be on a roll, and I just might jump on the Fuji bandwagon. My friends LOVE their Fuji medium format cameras and lenses.
Fortunately, there is an adapter that allows using Nikon F mount lenses on Fuji X, with full functionality. There are some shooters who participate here, on DPR that are doing exactly that, with outstanding results.

I, also would prefer a Nikon Z camera that would have similar features to the X-H2S, but I wouldn't constrain Nikon to $2000 ... The X-H2S is $2500, which I believe Nikon could do. Remember that you will still need and adapter to use F-mount lenses on a Z Body.

Lack of GPS on the X-H2 would not be a deal breaker for me. There are probably some devices or even phone apps that can supply GPS info. And, YES, the features on the X-H2 make it very attractive at $2000.
I'd caution reliance on the Fringer adapter before testing it out. It can work with most lenses, but can cause poor performance even in those lenses that is has listed. The majority of people do well with the adapter, but there is also a good number of people that it did not work well for. I can't say if it's 10% or 30% given the small sample size (amazon reviews, youtube comments). FWIW, you can set the XH2(s) cameras up to function very similar to Nikon Z cameras (well, the Z6 in my experience), so that made switching between them smoother than I'd expected.
 
I don't think there's enough appetite for a $2,500 crop body for the full frame companies to consider when they can make and sell more $2k~$2.6k full frame bodies (Z6, R6(ii), a7iii/iv) than Fujifilm sell their $2k crop bodies.

So why would Fujifilm still make those crop bodies? Because they have to. It's their X-mount flagship body, that's where all new and future tech development goes, and by default, it's the tip and also smallest part of the buying universe.

For the three full frame companies (Panasonic doesn't have aps-c), they will probably eye the bigger chunk of the crop market in the sub $1k R10/X-S10/a6400/Z50 and arguably the $1.5k R7/X-T5 segments.

Now do I expect Nikon to answer to the X-T5 and R7? Sure. That is also about the same, if not higher, technical capability as the D500 back in the day, for less money. That's going to be more or less sufficient if one is looking for a "pro crop" body. But if one wants is a bleeding edge crop body regardless of how capable the rest of the crop bodies are, then Fujifilm is the only one who will do that.
The last 2 paragraphs contradict. First, the Z50 is an entry level camera, incapable of filling the shoes of the D500, and in fact has the same 20.9 MP, as do all of the current Z DX cameras. I (and I'm sure nearly all current D500 shooters) WILL NOT go for a camera that doesn't offer a substantial upgrade in pixel density.

Second, the X-T5 and R7 are absolutely competitors for a supposed Z90. More "Pro-level", definitely not Entry level. But, even with those two cameras, there is "more meat on that bone", and I feel THAT is the direction Nikon should take in order to retain the Nikon Pro DX crowd. As much as Fuji "has to", so does Nikon. They built the best DX DSLR of all time, and should "have to" follow it with the best Mirrorless DX Camera.

I'm old, but I'm not done buying cameras, and I would like the next one to be a Nikon ... but, Nikon will have to put something out there, that I want, or my next camera, at this juncture, will be a Fuji X-H2, or X-H2S.

For me, Nikon could offer a stratospheric full frame Z8 (say, with the Sony 61MP sensor), and I might consider it, provided it has Pro-like functionality and speed, as well as state of the art, Auto Focus. Right now, the 45 MP Full Frame sensors (even the Z9), are less dense than my D500 ... so, they not an upgrade, in that respect.

I'm not giving up on Nikon yet, but I have no specific time-frame of when I will. I believe Nikon can make a Pro Z-DX, and, with my ideal specs ... a balance between the two X-H2 models ... a 33MP BSI sensor, @ 20FPS, with Pro controls, sufficient buffer depth, and state of the art AF ... and sell it for $2250, or $2450 with the FTZII included, and I will be at the front of the line. All three Numbers are at the "Median" specification, including the price. My thinking is, it doesn't need to have a stacked sensor at those specs, (the Fuji 40MP BSI is not a stacked sensor).

Why do I think Nikon can get $2250?

A) my D300 was $1600, my D500 was $2000 ... that's a $400 jump, and I am proposing a $250 jump. That comes in under the X-H2S, which has 26 MP @ 40 FPS, and over the X-H2, which has 40MP @ 15FPS. The Nikon would have more MP than the X-H2S, but less speed, and more speed than the X-H2, but fewer MP.

B) It's a Nikon C) see B

Arnie
 
I don't think there's enough appetite for a $2,500 crop body for the full frame companies to consider when they can make and sell more $2k~$2.6k full frame bodies (Z6, R6(ii), a7iii/iv) than Fujifilm sell their $2k crop bodies.

So why would Fujifilm still make those crop bodies? Because they have to. It's their X-mount flagship body, that's where all new and future tech development goes, and by default, it's the tip and also smallest part of the buying universe.

For the three full frame companies (Panasonic doesn't have aps-c), they will probably eye the bigger chunk of the crop market in the sub $1k R10/X-S10/a6400/Z50 and arguably the $1.5k R7/X-T5 segments.

Now do I expect Nikon to answer to the X-T5 and R7? Sure. That is also about the same, if not higher, technical capability as the D500 back in the day, for less money. That's going to be more or less sufficient if one is looking for a "pro crop" body. But if one wants is a bleeding edge crop body regardless of how capable the rest of the crop bodies are, then Fujifilm is the only one who will do that.
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel. There are other features on the D500 missing on the Fuji. The few technical features we want add up to a very fast sensor readout for fast AF, more MP and for some, more FPS.
 
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel.
One reason for liking dials is the ability to see at a glance the camera's exposure settings, even when it's switched off.
 
Oh by the X-T5 and R7 I mean non-stacked sensor, 10~15 fps and more than capable for birding, and pricing level of around $1.5k.

Ergonomics wise, of course it's going to look closer to the R7 instead of the X-T5 as a conventional body. The Z fc is there for the retro look.
 
I wonder what the market would be for a Z90. The Z5 is positioned at the next price point above the Z50. The Z90 should be positioned in between and that just doesn't make sense in the current market. If Z50 is not good enough buy an FX Z.
No, Z90 doesn't have to be in between Z50 and Z5. In fact, looking at the proposed spec of stacked sensor and assuming very fast AF and frame rates, a whole lot of birders will happily pay more than Z5 price.
I'll suggest the Fujifilm X-H2S goes a long way toward setting the market for a Z90 built around a stacked sensor and other Z9 goodies. If the Z90 hits the streets at $2,495 or less it'll have no problem finding customers.
I recently saw a 3 way comparison between the XT5, R6II and A7IV. Despite the Fuji having the most megapixels it was being outresolved by the FF sensors.

Seriously?

The guy shoots a moving subject with his lenses wide open, and you think that's going to show which camera resolves more detail?

Have you ever seen an MTF graph for a lens? The sharpest performance is almost NEVER wide open (with the exception of some telephoto lenses). What the guy SHOULD have done is stop down to f4, with the camera on a tripod, and shoot a city scene with the electronic shutter.

Ultimately, the sensor size doesn't mean much. What matters is lens performance and sensor performance (including resolution/megapixels). Resolving power of the system is what matters, and the Fuji can surely resolve more detail, given the right shooting situation. I'd like to see a good comparison between the Sony A7r III with the Sigma 105mm f2.8 Art at f5.6 and the Fuji X-T5 with a Fuji 80mm f2.8 macro set to f4 . . . using a tripod, and doing the test "properly" (i.e. using electronic shutter mode on a static subject, with a remote trigger, etc.).
You clearly didn’t watch the video, he took portraits of his wife so not a fast moving subject at all. As someone who shoots mainly portraits wide open performance matters to me A LOT. He did a comparison of the 3 systems based on how he and many others would use them.
Here's a portrait taken with the X-H2 ... Same sensor. Be sure to look at the original.

 
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel.
One reason for liking dials is the ability to see at a glance the camera's exposure settings, even when it's switched off.
That is a lot of control over your camera to give up for the few times when you look at the settings when it is switched off.
 
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel.
One reason for liking dials is the ability to see at a glance the camera's exposure settings, even when it's switched off.
That is a lot of control over your camera to give up for the few times when you look at the settings when it is switched off.
I don't feel I'm giving up any control over my Df and Zfc because of the dials, compared with my Z7 and Z9. They are just different, and I'm happy with either style of control.
 
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel.
One reason for liking dials is the ability to see at a glance the camera's exposure settings, even when it's switched off.
That is a lot of control over your camera to give up for the few times when you look at the settings when it is switched off.
I don't feel I'm giving up any control over my Df and Zfc because of the dials, compared with my Z7 and Z9. They are just different, and I'm happy with either style of control.
TheZ7 and Z9 have different dials one a pasm the other a more useful multi dial.

I feel with the Z6 I am giving up a lot of control with the PASM dial over a dial that allows me to change shutter mode, white balance, image quality, focus mode and by pressing the mode button still have access to the PASM settings,I am sure a Z could also extend to include user settings in that mode button, 1 dial five functions instead of only one. Of course Nikon have often changed the functions of the 4 buttons on the dial.

I did say some prefer dials, you obviously fall in that group..
 
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel.
One reason for liking dials is the ability to see at a glance the camera's exposure settings, even when it's switched off.
That is a lot of control over your camera to give up for the few times when you look at the settings when it is switched off.
I don't feel I'm giving up any control over my Df and Zfc because of the dials, compared with my Z7 and Z9. They are just different, and I'm happy with either style of control.
TheZ7 and Z9 have different dials one a pasm the other a more useful multi dial.

I feel with the Z6 I am giving up a lot of control with the PASM dial over a dial that allows me to change shutter mode, white balance, image quality, focus mode and by pressing the mode button still have access to the PASM settings,I am sure a Z could also extend to include user settings in that mode button, 1 dial five functions instead of only one. Of course Nikon have often changed the functions of the 4 buttons on the dial.
In your earlier post, you were talking about shutter speed, ISO and exposure compensation dials - that was what I was responding to.
I did say some prefer dials, you obviously fall in that group.
No, I can live with either.
 
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel.
One reason for liking dials is the ability to see at a glance the camera's exposure settings, even when it's switched off.
That is a lot of control over your camera to give up for the few times when you look at the settings when it is switched off.
I don't feel I'm giving up any control over my Df and Zfc because of the dials, compared with my Z7 and Z9. They are just different, and I'm happy with either style of control.
TheZ7 and Z9 have different dials one a pasm the other a more useful multi dial.

I feel with the Z6 I am giving up a lot of control with the PASM dial over a dial that allows me to change shutter mode, white balance, image quality, focus mode and by pressing the mode button still have access to the PASM settings,I am sure a Z could also extend to include user settings in that mode button, 1 dial five functions instead of only one. Of course Nikon have often changed the functions of the 4 buttons on the dial.
In your earlier post, you were talking about shutter speed, ISO and exposure compensation dials - that was what I was responding to.
You must have missed my reference to the comparison of a D500 and Fuji. "You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel."
I did say some prefer dials, you obviously fall in that group.
No, I can live with either.
 
I don't think there's enough appetite for a $2,500 crop body for the full frame companies to consider when they can make and sell more $2k~$2.6k full frame bodies (Z6, R6(ii), a7iii/iv) than Fujifilm sell their $2k crop bodies.

So why would Fujifilm still make those crop bodies? Because they have to. It's their X-mount flagship body, that's where all new and future tech development goes, and by default, it's the tip and also smallest part of the buying universe.

For the three full frame companies (Panasonic doesn't have aps-c), they will probably eye the bigger chunk of the crop market in the sub $1k R10/X-S10/a6400/Z50 and arguably the $1.5k R7/X-T5 segments.

Now do I expect Nikon to answer to the X-T5 and R7? Sure. That is also about the same, if not higher, technical capability as the D500 back in the day, for less money. That's going to be more or less sufficient if one is looking for a "pro crop" body. But if one wants is a bleeding edge crop body regardless of how capable the rest of the crop bodies are, then Fujifilm is the only one who will do that.
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel. There are other features on the D500 missing on the Fuji. The few technical features we want add up to a very fast sensor readout for fast AF, more MP and for some, more FPS.
Fuji offers modern controls as well as SS and ISO dials - look at the X-H2/s
 
You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel. I do understand some prefer all the dials. Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed, if you are in aperture priority that dial never gets used. A dial for iso, instead of pressing a button and rotating either the front or rear control wheel to give 2 different functions. Similar for the exposure compensation set easy compensation to use the rear control wheel in aperture priority or press a button turn a wheel.
One reason for liking dials is the ability to see at a glance the camera's exposure settings, even when it's switched off.
That is a lot of control over your camera to give up for the few times when you look at the settings when it is switched off.
I don't feel I'm giving up any control over my Df and Zfc because of the dials, compared with my Z7 and Z9. They are just different, and I'm happy with either style of control.
TheZ7 and Z9 have different dials one a pasm the other a more useful multi dial.

I feel with the Z6 I am giving up a lot of control with the PASM dial over a dial that allows me to change shutter mode, white balance, image quality, focus mode and by pressing the mode button still have access to the PASM settings,I am sure a Z could also extend to include user settings in that mode button, 1 dial five functions instead of only one. Of course Nikon have often changed the functions of the 4 buttons on the dial.
In your earlier post, you were talking about shutter speed, ISO and exposure compensation dials - that was what I was responding to.
You must have missed my reference to the comparison of a D500 and Fuji. "You have a D500 in your gear list, compare the controls of that with the old film style dials of a Fuji, this is the difference that makes a D500 more ergonomic and easier to change settings by feel."
No, I didn't miss that. But following on from that, you posed questions, beginning with: "Why do you need a dial with shutter speeds when the rear control wheel changes the shutter speed..." to which I offered an possible answer. If you don't agree with the answer, that's fine. I have nothing else to add.
 
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After looking at the latest rumours (!) from a certain site, they posted a Nikon camera road map (from china, who knows how trustable that is) but anyway. According to this there should be coming two DX bodies next year, a Z50 II and a Z90 (with stacked sensor)!!

In fact, according to that highly suspectful road map the Z90 should come at the same time as the Z8. And the Z50 II later. This sounds almost too good to be true :) (this must mean that those two DX lenses should come soon also, otherwise there is no idea to release the Z90.

(ok, forgot about the time plan, according to this the Mk III's of 6/7 should be out now also :) )

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I think this chart has been debunked as not being accurate. The ones in question would be a Z 50 II, Z5 II and a Z90. The others are a valid possibility (especially the Z6 III and a Z8 which are quite likely). First, it's unlikely they would release a Z90 and a Z50 II. It would probably just be a "Z90". The Zf is a possibility based on how successful the Zfc appears to have been.

Either way, I'm not holding my breath nor am I personally planning on buying any of these should they hit the market. I'm done buying camera bodies myself for a while (the Z II's are plenty for what I shoot).



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Panasonic S5II will delay Nikons release. They need better video to even get close to S5II.
But the Z90 would be an APS-C sports camera more so than a video camera. Nikon I don't think is that interested in doing video as much as Canon, Sony and Panasonic, and I think that's pretty clear with the Z6/Z7 series only having 4k60 and 4k30, even though the Z7 at least could do 8k most likely... video was never Nikon's primary goal, so I personally would disagree here in that the S5 II will not impact Nikons' release schedule.

I think the more likely scenario is that they will come out with a bang with the Z6 III, Z8, and an APS-C body this year (ie. "Z90"), and maybe an Zf too, thus pretty much rounding out the line-up, as some have speculated a Z8 could be a direct competitor to the A7R IV / V, since the Z6/Z7 seem to target more the A7 III / A7R III crowd in Sony, and are in between the R6/R6 II and R5 in Canon's line-up.

Nikon perhaps has changed its strategy in recent years from more of a marketshare driven strategy to more of a profitability centered strategy (which most businesses obviously have anyway or they wouldn't be in business very long but focusing more on reducing costs and profits even if that means losing some market share). But focusing less on pure market share, and more on reducing costs and satisfying customers, even if that means stretching things out. I mean if you look at Pentax, they've sort of bottomed out around 3% or 5% market share but they're still around, and more recently almost seems like they've been revived a bit from the dead (although still focusing on DSLRs).
 
Panasonic S5II will delay Nikons release. They need better video to even get close to S5II.
But the Z90 would be an APS-C sports camera more so than a video camera. Nikon I don't think is that interested in doing video as much as Canon, Sony and Panasonic, and I think that's pretty clear with the Z6/Z7 series only having 4k60 and 4k30, even though the Z7 at least could do 8k most likely... video was never Nikon's primary goal, so I personally would disagree here in that the S5 II will not impact Nikons' release schedule.
Times have changed. Radically.

In interviews over the past 5+ years, everytime Nikon has stated its prioritizing of video.

The Z lenses are designed with video functionality in core features including minimizing focus breathing, and more eg Lens Control Ring. Quieter autofocus etc etc

Last but not least, the interview with the Z9 designers, recently published by Nikon Imaging (parallel thread in this forum ) underscores how they designed the flagship differently. It's size and other body features aim to reduce overheating to record 8K RAW uninterrupted for 2+ hours
I think the more likely scenario is that they will come out with a bang with the Z6 III, Z8, and an APS-C body this year (ie. "Z90"),
Deploying Z9 Features into more affordable cameras Yes. At least 2 of these are overdue.

And maybe an Zf too, thus pretty much rounding out the line-up, as some have speculated a Z8 could be a direct competitor to the A7R IV / V, since the Z6/Z7 seem to target more the A7 III / A7R III crowd in Sony, and are in between the R6/R6 II and R5 in Canon's line-up.
Nikon perhaps has changed its strategy in recent years from more of a marketshare driven strategy to more of a profitability centered strategy (which most businesses obviously have anyway or they wouldn't be in business very long but focusing more on reducing costs and profits even if that means losing some market share). But focusing less on pure market share, and more on reducing costs and satisfying customers, even if that means stretching things out. I mean if you look at Pentax, they've sort of bottomed out around 3% or 5% market share but they're still around, and more recently almost seems like they've been revived a bit from the dead (although still focusing on DSLRs).
High end video with/as well as Robotics are the focal markets of Nikon's strategic plan. Read their recent Reports, notably the April 2022 Investors Report stating the emphasis on video, and goals with deploying Z9 features....
 
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