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Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).

After reading many reviews, I'm afraid the the R10 will be like "enrty lelvel mirrorless camera", as the 600D was when I purchased it more than 10 years ago (of course with update technology), and if I want to step forward to the next level of cameras, than the 90D is a good option, unless I'll pay much more for a mirrorless like the R7 or R.

I'm shooting mostly landscapes, and street photography.

I would like to from others which had same doubts.

Amos Roth
 
amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).

After reading many reviews, I'm afraid the the R10 will be like "enrty lelvel mirrorless camera", as the 600D was when I purchased it more than 10 years ago (of course with update technology), and if I want to step forward to the next level of cameras, than the 90D is a good option, unless I'll pay much more for a mirrorless like the R7 or R.

I'm shooting mostly landscapes, and street photography.

I would like to from others which had same doubts.

Amos Roth
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Even though the 90D is absolutely capable of shooting the subjects you mention, the R10 will still run rings around it, especially when it comes to something like the autofocus.

Really, (IMHO) the only thing that’s noticeably entry-level about the R10 is the viewfinder (compared to the other R cameras). It’s still way better than the 600D’s tho (I shot with a 650D for a year).

If you’re simply looking for better IQ, then consider an RP or a used FF DSLR perhaps.

Good luck with your quest!

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If you decide on the 90D (which has the clearly superior sensor), a word of caution:

At 32Mpx, any slight misalignment between the sensor and the AF module is going to be starkly visible, especially with the 50mm. Be prepared to micro-adjust AF for every lens, which fortunately the 90D supports.

None of this will be an issue in live view, of course.
 
I went from the M6ii which is a 90D close relative, to the R10.
If the R10 is "entry level" then the 90D should be considered, less than entry level when it comes to features and capabilities.
The only entry level aspect about the R10 is the battery door.
Another point in favor of the R10 is more lens options than 90D, considering you can use any EF, EF-S and R lenses, thus you can go super compact and discreet when need it. As a bonus you can use master filters, namely CPL or ND for all your EF, EF-S lenses via adapter.

Choosing the 90D would make sense if you can find it cheaper than the R10, you are not planning to buy more lenses and are ok with the 90D feature set, which honestly, is roughly 85% of what the R10 offers. In that regard, the 90D is like a 90D mark 2 would have been.

Fundamental differences among these two cameras revolve around EVF vs OVF, Size and Ergonomics. The 90D would have better handling simply because is bigger, but the R10 ergonomics are great for its size, much better than my M6ii.
The 90D higher pixel count sensor would outperform the R10 24Mp in terms of resolution only in very limited circumstances. For landscape it could be better *if/when* using sharp lenses with proper technique, on a tripod and electronic shutter mode.
Most of the time, I don't need super high rez, so the smaller file size of the R10 has been a blessing for me. If landscape is very important to you, the EOS R would be a better option but that is a FF camera.

Hope this help with your decision.
 
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amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).

After reading many reviews, I'm afraid the the R10 will be like "enrty lelvel mirrorless camera", as the 600D was when I purchased it more than 10 years ago (of course with update technology), and if I want to step forward to the next level of cameras, than the 90D is a good option, unless I'll pay much more for a mirrorless like the R7 or R.

I'm shooting mostly landscapes, and street photography.

I would like to from others which had same doubts.

Amos Roth
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the R10 may be positioned lower down in RF world than the 90D is in the EF world

but when it comes to AF and frame rate it beets the best EF body the 1Dxmkiii never mind the 90D

the only advantage of the 90D is the 32mp sensor but its not so clear cut, yes you have 8MP more but the extra resolution can be eaten away with camera movement the photo may look fine but take it again on a tripod and you will see a good difference, and also having lenses that can take advantage of the extra MP is a thing, although a poor lens will still look better on a high MP sensor viewed at the same size of the low MP sensor

the noise and the dynamic range for both sensors are good and are close at higher ISOs but at base ISO the advantage is to the 24MP R10 which may be important to you, both sensors are in a different league to your 600D sensor when it comes to DR

AS i said before the big advantage of the R10 is the AF, the eye AF is a game changer, and the fact you can focus on an object and it moves or you move it any place in the viewfinder is almost like magic the AF WILL be much more precise with the R10 than the 90D

i would definitely go for the R10 but i may look for a deal with the RF18-150 as a kit and sell your 18-135 if the 18-135 is a lens you use a lot, if not then don't bother,, at the moment there are no RF APS-c lenses to replace your splendid 17-55F2.8 or the 10-20mm

i have had my R6 for 2 years now and i had expected i would have changed all my EF glass for RF glass by now but i don't really see the point for me, i don't mind the adapter it just gets left on the body in fact i just upgraded my standard zoom to an EF fit Tamron 24-70F2.8VR

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amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).

After reading many reviews, I'm afraid the the R10 will be like "enrty lelvel mirrorless camera", as the 600D was when I purchased it more than 10 years ago (of course with update technology), and if I want to step forward to the next level of cameras, than the 90D is a good option, unless I'll pay much more for a mirrorless like the R7 or R.

I'm shooting mostly landscapes, and street photography.

I would like to from others which had same doubts.

Amos Roth
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Landscapes don't require crazy advanced AF. What are your AF needs for street? I think that's an important question to answer.
 
amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).

After reading many reviews, I'm afraid the the R10 will be like "enrty lelvel mirrorless camera", as the 600D was when I purchased it more than 10 years ago (of course with update technology), and if I want to step forward to the next level of cameras, than the 90D is a good option, unless I'll pay much more for a mirrorless like the R7 or R.

I'm shooting mostly landscapes, and street photography.
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If you keep your cameras for 10 years, it's definitely worth buying the best you can. The R7 would give you the best of both, including 32 MP obviously (very useful for landscapes), and also IBIS (great for low light street photography as well as sharper hand-held landscapes). The mirrorless viewfinders are very similar and both better than the 90D, but the R7's has a higher magnification (1.15x vs 0.95x) which makes it nicer to use.

For landscapes and street, some would automatically point you towards full frame, but before you do that, see this comparison by the always-reliable Chris Frost:



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https://www.flickr.com/photos/stevebalcombe/ or
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/stevebalcombe/popular-interesting/
 
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amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).
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The problem: at this point it's uncertain if Canon will bring out RF-s replacements for all your current EF-s lenses. The 18-135mm is kind of replaceable with the RF-s 18-150mm (check AF speed though), the 50mm is a full frame lens and can be replaced by the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. A wide angle zoom will likely happen, but to my eye it's highly unlikely we will see something like that EF-s f/2.8 standard zoom for the RF mount.

If that f/2.8 standard zoom is important in your collection it's still o.k. to replace your 600D, but I wouldn't invest a whole lot of money in Canon crop now. The M50 + adapter is definitely way more affordable, still a huge upgrade from your 600D, while it will give essentially the same IQ as the R10. I think it's a great way to save some time and see where the RF-s lens collection will go and decide later on if you want to go with RF crop cameras or RF full frame. With the saved money it's also easier to replace some lenses with full frame lenses.

 
thunder storm said:
amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).
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The problem: at this point it's uncertain if Canon will bring out RF-s replacements for all your current EF-s lenses. The 18-135mm is kind of replaceable with the RF-s 18-150mm (check AF speed though), the 50mm is a full frame lens and can be replaced by the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. A wide angle zoom will likely happen, but to my eye it's highly unlikely we will see something like that EF-s f/2.8 standard zoom for the RF mount.
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All four can be used seamlessly with the EF-EOS R adapter, so there are no mission-critical issues whatsoever.

The RF 18-150 doesn't just "kind of replace" the EF 18-135, it fully replaces it and beats it in several ways including lighter weight and much better close focusing.

At this point there is no native RF-S mount ultrawide, but an 11-22 based on the highly-regarded EF-M lens is strongly rumoured for the first half of this year. Yes it's only a rumour, but a very credible one and meanwhile you have the insurance/stop-gap of the adapted Sigma.

The only lens which is unlikely to be replaced (so here we do agree) is the 17-year-old EF-S 17-55/2.8, so if that's important to the OP they would have to use it adapted for the foreseeable future.
thunder storm said:
If that f/2.8 standard zoom is important in your collection it's still o.k. to replace your 600D, but I wouldn't invest a whole lot of money in Canon crop now. The M50 + adapter is definitely way more affordable, still a huge upgrade from your 600D, while it will give essentially the same IQ as the R10. I think it's a great way to save some time and see where the RF-s lens collection will go and decide later on if you want to go with RF crop cameras or RF full frame. With the saved money it's also easier to replace some lenses with full frame lenses.
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You advise against RF crop which is only a few months old and obviously still developing as a range, while recommending sinking money into EF-M which is equally obviously a dead end? Definitely one of the more surprising recommendations I've read recently.
 
thunder storm said:
The problem: at this point it's uncertain if Canon will bring out RF-s replacements for all your current EF-s lenses. The 18-135mm is kind of replaceable with the RF-s 18-150mm (check AF speed though), the 50mm is a full frame lens and can be replaced by the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. A wide angle zoom will likely happen, but to my eye it's highly unlikely we will see something like that EF-s f/2.8 standard zoom for the RF mount.
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Is there anything wrong with adapting the EF-S lenses to the R10? From everything I have read, there is not penalty for adapting.

I would think this is an advantage since you don't need to replace the lens.
 
Steve Balcombe said:
thunder storm said:
amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).
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The problem: at this point it's uncertain if Canon will bring out RF-s replacements for all your current EF-s lenses. The 18-135mm is kind of replaceable with the RF-s 18-150mm (check AF speed though), the 50mm is a full frame lens and can be replaced by the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. A wide angle zoom will likely happen, but to my eye it's highly unlikely we will see something like that EF-s f/2.8 standard zoom for the RF mount.
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All four can be used seamlessly with the EF-EOS R adapter, so there are no mission-critical issues whatsoever.

The RF 18-150 doesn't just "kind of replace" the EF 18-135, it fully replaces it and beats it in several ways including lighter weight and much better close focusing.
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Again: check AF speed.
Steve Balcombe said:
At this point there is no native RF-S mount ultrawide, but an 11-22 based on the highly-regarded EF-M lens is strongly rumoured for the first half of this year. Yes it's only a rumour, but a very credible one and meanwhile you have the insurance/stop-gap of the adapted Sigma.
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Like I said: likely to happen, but we still don't know for sure.
Steve Balcombe said:
The only lens which is unlikely to be replaced (so here we do agree) is the 17-year-old EF-S 17-55/2.8, so if that's important to the OP they would have to use it adapted for the foreseeable future.
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And if you're adapting anyway.....
Steve Balcombe said:
Steve Balcombe said:
If that f/2.8 standard zoom is important in your collection it's still o.k. to replace your 600D, but I wouldn't invest a whole lot of money in Canon crop now. The M50 + adapter is definitely way more affordable, still a huge upgrade from your 600D, while it will give essentially the same IQ as the R10. I think it's a great way to save some time and see where the RF-s lens collection will go and decide later on if you want to go with RF crop cameras or RF full frame. With the saved money it's also easier to replace some lenses with full frame lenses.
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You advise against RF crop which is only a few months old and obviously still developing as a range, while recommending sinking money into EF-M which is equally obviously a dead end? Definitely one of the more surprising recommendations I've read recently.
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Steve Balcombe: RF crop is fine as you can use your current lenses anyway.

Thunder Storm: RF crop is fine as long as you don't want want to upgrade some of your current lenses to RF versions.

Note: We're saying the same here.

Here's the thing: those adapted lenses work as well on the M50 as they do on the R10, so without upgrading lenses you're sinking less money in a Canon crop system, which is advisable as it remains to be seen what RF-s lenses Canon will bring and you would need to replace lenses again when upgrading RF-s lenses to RF lenses.

What's so surprising here?

Sinking money in an RF-s 18-150mm "because RF crop won't be dead end," that's what I would call a tricky decision. I would keep that money on the bank account for a future full frame f/4.0 standard zoom to replace the 17-55mm f/2.8.... I do see a lot of people making these tricky decisions, so tricky isn't the same as surprising.....
 
CompleteUtterNonsense said:
thunder storm said:
The problem: at this point it's uncertain if Canon will bring out RF-s replacements for all your current EF-s lenses. The 18-135mm is kind of replaceable with the RF-s 18-150mm (check AF speed though), the 50mm is a full frame lens and can be replaced by the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. A wide angle zoom will likely happen, but to my eye it's highly unlikely we will see something like that EF-s f/2.8 standard zoom for the RF mount.
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Is there anything wrong with adapting the EF-S lenses to the R10? From everything I have read, there is not penalty for adapting.
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Nothing wrong with it, but the M50 will give you the same IQ as the R10 at a much lower price point, while replacing current lenses for RF-s lenses comes at a risk you will replace those twice if you have to move full frame because the RF-s lens line up won't become complete enough for your needs.
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I would think this is an advantage since you don't need to replace the lens.
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The same is true for the M50. Go check prices of used M50s. It's a steal. Shoot it for 4 years and you will know a lot more about glass availability, while the R10 will have come down in price what you've payed for that M50. You can decide then if you want to go with an RP or an R10 or whatever options Canon will have in 2027.

The availability of RF-s glass is pretty much unknown for now. \

Another approach would be to shoot the 600D for one more year. I think that makes sense given the black box of the future RF-s situation.
 
thunder storm said:
Steve Balcombe said:
thunder storm said:
amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).
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The problem: at this point it's uncertain if Canon will bring out RF-s replacements for all your current EF-s lenses. The 18-135mm is kind of replaceable with the RF-s 18-150mm (check AF speed though), the 50mm is a full frame lens and can be replaced by the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. A wide angle zoom will likely happen, but to my eye it's highly unlikely we will see something like that EF-s f/2.8 standard zoom for the RF mount.
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All four can be used seamlessly with the EF-EOS R adapter, so there are no mission-critical issues whatsoever.

The RF 18-150 doesn't just "kind of replace" the EF 18-135, it fully replaces it and beats it in several ways including lighter weight and much better close focusing.
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Again: check AF speed.
thunder storm said:
At this point there is no native RF-S mount ultrawide, but an 11-22 based on the highly-regarded EF-M lens is strongly rumoured for the first half of this year. Yes it's only a rumour, but a very credible one and meanwhile you have the insurance/stop-gap of the adapted Sigma.
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Like I said: likely to happen, but we still don't know for sure.
thunder storm said:
The only lens which is unlikely to be replaced (so here we do agree) is the 17-year-old EF-S 17-55/2.8, so if that's important to the OP they would have to use it adapted for the foreseeable future.
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And if you're adapting anyway.....
thunder storm said:
thunder storm said:
If that f/2.8 standard zoom is important in your collection it's still o.k. to replace your 600D, but I wouldn't invest a whole lot of money in Canon crop now. The M50 + adapter is definitely way more affordable, still a huge upgrade from your 600D, while it will give essentially the same IQ as the R10. I think it's a great way to save some time and see where the RF-s lens collection will go and decide later on if you want to go with RF crop cameras or RF full frame. With the saved money it's also easier to replace some lenses with full frame lenses.
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You advise against RF crop which is only a few months old and obviously still developing as a range, while recommending sinking money into EF-M which is equally obviously a dead end? Definitely one of the more surprising recommendations I've read recently.
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Steve Balcombe: RF crop is fine as you can use your current lenses anyway.

Thunder Storm: RF crop is fine as long as you don't want want to upgrade some of your current lenses to RF versions.

Note: We're saying the same here.

Here's the thing: those adapted lenses work as well on the M50 as they do on the R10,
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apart from making use of the latest AF in the R10 that may be very relevant to the OP in street photography ..the AF in the new R body is a lot of the appeal to the latest bodies
thunder storm said:
so without upgrading lenses you're sinking less money in a Canon crop system,
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the OP don't have to sink any money into lenses for the R10 either

thunder storm said:
which is advisable as it remains to be seen what RF-s lenses Canon will bring and you would need to replace lenses again when upgrading RF-s lenses to RF lenses.

What's so surprising here?

Sinking money in an RF-s 18-150mm "because RF crop won't be dead end," that's what I would call a tricky decision. I would keep that money on the bank account for a future full frame f/4.0 standard zoom to replace the 17-55mm f/2.8.... I do see a lot of people making these tricky decisions, so tricky isn't the same as surprising.....
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thunder storm said:
Steve Balcombe said:
thunder storm said:
amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).
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The problem: at this point it's uncertain if Canon will bring out RF-s replacements for all your current EF-s lenses. The 18-135mm is kind of replaceable with the RF-s 18-150mm (check AF speed though), the 50mm is a full frame lens and can be replaced by the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. A wide angle zoom will likely happen, but to my eye it's highly unlikely we will see something like that EF-s f/2.8 standard zoom for the RF mount.
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All four can be used seamlessly with the EF-EOS R adapter, so there are no mission-critical issues whatsoever.

The RF 18-150 doesn't just "kind of replace" the EF 18-135, it fully replaces it and beats it in several ways including lighter weight and much better close focusing.
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Again: check AF speed.
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AF speed is plenty fast enough. People are constantly bad-mouthing STM lenses because the AF isn't quite as lightning fast as USM. There's a lot of absolute nonsense spouted on this subject. The AF on my RF-S 18-150 is as close to instantaneous as makes no difference. There is absolutely no respect, none at all, in which the EF-S 18-135 performs better than the RF-S 18-150. A theoretically slightly faster focus, which will never make any difference whatsoever, isn't a performance advantage, any more than a theoretical top speed of 250mph is a performance advantage over a top speed of 230mph for a car that is going to be driven on actual roads, rather than F1 racetracks. I have used the RF-S 18-150 quite a bit, and actually know what I'm talking about.
 
thunder storm said:
The same is true for the M50. Go check prices of used M50s. It's a steal. Shoot it for 4 years and you will know a lot more about glass availability, while the R10 will have come down in price what you've payed for that M50. You can decide then if you want to go with an RP or an R10 or whatever options Canon will have in 2027.

The availability of RF-s glass is pretty much unknown for now. \

Another approach would be to shoot the 600D for one more year. I think that makes sense given the black box of the future RF-s situation.
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OK, I missed, or more likely, forgot, you were refering to the M50. I took a quick look. Here in Canada, the M50 used is not that much cheaper than the R10.

If you can get one used at half the price of the R10 it would be worth it.
 
From the discussion I understand that nobody recommends to replace an old 600D with a newer DSLR (the 90D is the candidate), and most people would prefer to switch to mirrorless, even if using the existing lenses (all EF or EF-S).

I understand the disadvantage of using EF-S lens on mirrorless camera are minor,

but I still have doubts about the ergonomic of the R10. I feel better to hold the 90D (specially during tracks, even it's heavier), than holding the light-weight R10. The 90D feels more robust, at least for me.

At the bottom line - I'm more confused now than I was yesterday....
 
Alastair Norcross said:
thunder storm said:
Steve Balcombe said:
thunder storm said:
amos roth said:
Hello, I decided to replace my old CANON 600D, which I owned for +10 years.

Since all my lenses are CANON / for CANON (18-135IS, 50mm 1.8, 17-55mm 2.8, Sigma 10-20mm), I've doubts about 2 optiion: the CANON 90D, or to switch to mirrorless - the R10 (which is approx. the same budget).
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The problem: at this point it's uncertain if Canon will bring out RF-s replacements for all your current EF-s lenses. The 18-135mm is kind of replaceable with the RF-s 18-150mm (check AF speed though), the 50mm is a full frame lens and can be replaced by the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. A wide angle zoom will likely happen, but to my eye it's highly unlikely we will see something like that EF-s f/2.8 standard zoom for the RF mount.
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All four can be used seamlessly with the EF-EOS R adapter, so there are no mission-critical issues whatsoever.

The RF 18-150 doesn't just "kind of replace" the EF 18-135, it fully replaces it and beats it in several ways including lighter weight and much better close focusing.
Click to expand...
Again: check AF speed.
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AF speed is plenty fast enough. People are constantly bad-mouthing STM lenses because the AF isn't quite as lightning fast as USM. There's a lot of absolute nonsense spouted on this subject. The AF on my RF-S 18-150 is as close to instantaneous as makes no difference. There is absolutely no respect, none at all, in which the EF-S 18-135 performs better than the RF-S 18-150. A theoretically slightly faster focus, which will never make any difference whatsoever, isn't a performance advantage, any more than a theoretical top speed of 250mph is a performance advantage over a top speed of 230mph for a car that is going to be driven on actual roads, rather than F1 racetracks. I have used the RF-S 18-150 quite a bit, and actually know what I'm talking about.
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CompleteUtterNonsense said:
thunder storm said:
The same is true for the M50. Go check prices of used M50s. It's a steal. Shoot it for 4 years and you will know a lot more about glass availability, while the R10 will have come down in price what you've payed for that M50. You can decide then if you want to go with an RP or an R10 or whatever options Canon will have in 2027.

The availability of RF-s glass is pretty much unknown for now. \

Another approach would be to shoot the 600D for one more year. I think that makes sense given the black box of the future RF-s situation.
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OK, I missed, or more likely, forgot, you were refering to the M50. I took a quick look. Here in Canada, the M50 used is not that much cheaper than the R10.

If you can get one used at half the price of the R10 it would be worth it.
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In my market it is half the price.
 
amos roth said:
At the bottom line - I'm more confused now than I was yesterday....
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It's a difficult decission. The situation is complicated.

What are your needs for AF?

Did you ever shoot a mirrorless body?
 
amos roth said:
From the discussion I understand that nobody recommends to replace an old 600D with a newer DSLR (the 90D is the candidate), and most people would prefer to switch to mirrorless, even if using the existing lenses (all EF or EF-S).

I understand the disadvantage of using EF-S lens on mirrorless camera are minor,
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Just to clarify that slightly further, the disadvantages from the camera point of view are minor; the disadvantages from a lens point of view are zero - in fact better than zero because the improved AF (and easier MF) will help to get the best out of the lenses you already have.
amos roth said:
but I still have doubts about the ergonomic of the R10. I feel better to hold the 90D (specially during tracks, even it's heavier), than holding the light-weight R10. The 90D feels more robust, at least for me.
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Well, I find myself mentioning the R7 again. It's bigger than the R10, and while not quite the size of the 90D it feels very similar in the hand. The main difference is in the height and the 90D's much bigger viewfinder hump - which you don't actually feel in use. The grip is good, which is really important.
amos roth said:
At the bottom line - I'm more confused now than I was yesterday....
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Ah but that's a good thing, it shows you've learned more! :-)

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