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SHood said:
The full specs for the S5ii were leaked and shows PDAF. The only question now is when a Panasonic m43 body will be released with this.

https://asobinet.com/info-rumor-dc-s5m2-spec/

Image phase detection AF / Contrast AF
DFD Technology
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Personally, I am not interested in FF.

Let's see if they come out with an m43 model with PDAF before I buy an OM-1.

A stills oriented G9.II with PDAF would be a winner.

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A good news.

As per my crystal ball I guess PDAF + DFD (in some form of integration) would be used by Panny, a repeating history of Ken IS alone, than jumped into DUAL IS.

However asnot a sport/BIF shooter, the current DFD on CDAF is fast enough for me. There should be some more new features for my next upgrade.
 
A PDAF Panasonic mft camera would be really good. It would force omds to further improve their af algorithms. Plus we would have options for phase detect in mft from Panasonic.
 
the system they will use will retain DFD for stable subjects and switch quickly to Phase Detection when the subject is on the move. If they implement it well it could indeed transform the situation for them. Perhaps even knock off Canon/Nikon/Sony for a bit.
 
ProDude said:
the system they will use will retain DFD for stable subjects and switch quickly to Phase Detection when the subject is on the move. If they implement it well it could indeed transform the situation for them. Perhaps even knock off Canon/Nikon/Sony for a bit.
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Perhaps even knock off Canon/Nikon/Sony,OMS for a bit.
 
I wonder what exactly
  • Image plane phase detection AF / Contrast AF
  • DFD technology
Means. PDAF and DFD work differently DFD is a subset of contrast AF with distance mapping. The issue with DFD is that is slow and flutters. Slow means it misses flutter is mostly an issue in video on static subjects but this has been already virtually eliminated with the focus limiter setting in the GH6

The sensor seems the same Sony that was previously on the S5 I wonder how the PDAF implementation works hopefully not like old olympus models
 
Interceptor121 said:
I wonder what exactly
  • Image plane phase detection AF / Contrast AF
  • DFD technology
Means. PDAF and DFD work differently DFD is a subset of contrast AF with distance mapping. The issue with DFD is that is slow and flutters. Slow means it misses flutter is mostly an issue in video on static subjects but this has been already virtually eliminated with the focus limiter setting in the GH6

The sensor seems the same Sony that was previously on the S5 I wonder how the PDAF implementation works hopefully not like old olympus models
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Properly not. Not that current the olympus/om af system is bad, but it always seemed like panasonics eye af and tracking algorithms were just a bit better, limited only by the hardware.
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If the Panasonic flagship photo camera were to be developed, I wonder which direction they would take? There's the 20mp stacked Sony IMX472 sensor which seems to be used in the OM1, or they might want to use a 25MP sensor like the one used in the GH6.

Sensors are a costly part of cameras (especially the faster ones used in higher end models). I can see them using the same or similar sensor used in the GH6. Perhaps there is/will be a PDAF version. Purchasing the sensor from the same source may save on the manufacturing costs.
 
victorav said:
Interceptor121 said:
I wonder what exactly
  • Image plane phase detection AF / Contrast AF
  • DFD technology
Means. PDAF and DFD work differently DFD is a subset of contrast AF with distance mapping. The issue with DFD is that is slow and flutters. Slow means it misses flutter is mostly an issue in video on static subjects but this has been already virtually eliminated with the focus limiter setting in the GH6

The sensor seems the same Sony that was previously on the S5 I wonder how the PDAF implementation works hopefully not like old olympus models
Click to expand...
Properly not. Not that current the olympus/om af system is bad, but it always seemed like panasonics eye af and tracking algorithms were just a bit better, limited only by the hardware.
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The key issue of Olympus and old Sony PDAF was the presence of fixed autofocus pixels visible in some situaitons and not good for vlog. The OM-1 resolves this issue but I am not aware of quad bayer sensors for 3rd party from Sony for full frame.

In video it has never been clear how autofous actually works as even Sony cameras have a different implementation from stills
 
Satyaa said:
SHood said:
The full specs for the S5ii were leaked and shows PDAF. The only question now is when a Panasonic m43 body will be released with this.

https://asobinet.com/info-rumor-dc-s5m2-spec/

Image phase detection AF / Contrast AF
DFD Technology
Click to expand...
Personally, I am not interested in FF.

Let's see if they come out with an m43 model with PDAF before I buy an OM-1.

A stills oriented G9.II with PDAF would be a winner.
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I'm a very simple man. I would be very happy with a stripped down version of the G9's current feature set and hardware in a small, rangefinder-style body.
 
Winmeister said:
Satyaa said:
SHood said:
The full specs for the S5ii were leaked and shows PDAF. The only question now is when a Panasonic m43 body will be released with this.

https://asobinet.com/info-rumor-dc-s5m2-spec/

Image phase detection AF / Contrast AF
DFD Technology
Click to expand...
Personally, I am not interested in FF.

Let's see if they come out with an m43 model with PDAF before I buy an OM-1.

A stills oriented G9.II with PDAF would be a winner.
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I am aslo waiting for G9 ii. GH6 is just too bulky for someone like me who is only interested in photography. Long wait so far. Even thought about buying second body of A7R iv. But, really keen on the idea of G9ii.
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Yeah a G9MkII would be interesting with their new high performing Phase Detection, higher rez faster readout EVF, The newer 25mp (but make it a stacked BSI) sensor. Then they would have a real monster (and I'd probably buy one). Less than what I mentioned and forget about it
 
Interceptor121 said:
I wonder what exactly
  • Image plane phase detection AF / Contrast AF
  • DFD technology
Means. PDAF and DFD work differently DFD is a subset of contrast AF with distance mapping. The issue with DFD is that is slow and flutters. Slow means it misses flutter is mostly an issue in video on static subjects but this has been already virtually eliminated with the focus limiter setting in the GH6

The sensor seems the same Sony that was previously on the S5 I wonder how the PDAF implementation works hopefully not like old olympus models
Click to expand...
Pretty simple really. The DFD is used when on a static subject and very accurate indeed without issues. When in C-AF and a moving subject Phase Detection is used.
 
We're entering 2023 and still no small rangefinder style M4/3 camera with PDAF. What a shame. Fuji must be laughing all the way to the bank!
 
ProDude said:
Interceptor121 said:
I wonder what exactly
  • Image plane phase detection AF / Contrast AF
  • DFD technology
Means. PDAF and DFD work differently DFD is a subset of contrast AF with distance mapping. The issue with DFD is that is slow and flutters. Slow means it misses flutter is mostly an issue in video on static subjects but this has been already virtually eliminated with the focus limiter setting in the GH6

The sensor seems the same Sony that was previously on the S5 I wonder how the PDAF implementation works hopefully not like old olympus models
Click to expand...
Pretty simple really. The DFD is used when on a static subject and very accurate indeed without issues. When in C-AF and a moving subject Phase Detection is used.
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A static subject does not need DFD, this was a solution for moving subjects to speed up the contrast detection

Contrast detection is the most accurate focus method, the only thing that phase detection does is to increase speed
 
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