Street MFT kit

[ATTACH]3377583[/ATTACH] gary0319 said:

Skeeterbytes said:

JKdad said:

Skeeterbytes said:

JKdad said:

There’s no reason for some of these MFT lenses to be so big.

The size and weight of the 12-100 blows my mind compared to the APSC and even FF equivalents.

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There are equivalents to the 12-100? It would need to be 8.3X beginning at 12/24mm and no weak points along the zoom range, constant-aperture, OIS, weathersealed.

Sets a high bar among standard zooms.

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There’s the Sony 18-105 G which is a bit smaller and has everything you mentioned but not quite the range. But it also supports a much bigger sensor.

There’s also the Fuji 18-120 that has everything as well.

Both constant F4.

And in all seriousness, when you step up in sensor size, you can get same or better performance out of a slower lens.

My Z 24-200, even at at 6.3 on the long end performs decent in low light as it and the body have decent stabilization. High iso performance is a thing

That lens is smaller than the Oly 12-100.

I’m definitely not trying to bash MFT, as you can see I’m trying to find a reason to buy one. I just think MFT is leaving a lot of sales on the table by not figuring out how to make high-performance lenses in a much smaller package than the competition.

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Given these are either shorter zoom ranges or variable-aperture, it's looking like nobody makes their own take on the 12-100/4 and we can presume it is that size and weight because it must be. It contains several exotic elements, some of which Oly developed specifically for it.

Oly carved out a unique niche with lenses like this and especially the 150-400. They did not concern themselves with being "like those other guys" and my guess is OMDS will continue following that path. A couple teles on the lens roadmap have us curious as to what's next.

In case you missed it, the mZD 12-200/3.5-6.3 is smaller and lighter and weather-sealed. Perhaps a 16.6X zoom option?

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Or the 14-150 f/4-5.6 which is smaller yet, and good IQ all the way out.

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now that lens could be an option! This is what I’m talking about, looks like a lot of lens and a very small package. Here it is compared to the 18–1 40 for my Z 50.

I don’t need that much reach, but it looks like a good size for what it is.

JKdad said:

Skeeterbytes said:

JKdad said:

Skeeterbytes said:

JKdad said:

There’s no reason for some of these MFT lenses to be so big.

The size and weight of the 12-100 blows my mind compared to the APSC and even FF equivalents.

Click to expand...

There are equivalents to the 12-100? It would need to be 8.3X beginning at 12/24mm and no weak points along the zoom range, constant-aperture, OIS, weathersealed.

Sets a high bar among standard zooms.

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There’s the Sony 18-105 G which is a bit smaller and has everything you mentioned but not quite the range. But it also supports a much bigger sensor.

There’s also the Fuji 18-120 that has everything as well.

Both constant F4.

And in all seriousness, when you step up in sensor size, you can get same or better performance out of a slower lens.

My Z 24-200, even at at 6.3 on the long end performs decent in low light as it and the body have decent stabilization. High iso performance is a thing

That lens is smaller than the Oly 12-100.

I’m definitely not trying to bash MFT, as you can see I’m trying to find a reason to buy one. I just think MFT is leaving a lot of sales on the table by not figuring out how to make high-performance lenses in a much smaller package than the competition.

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Given these are either shorter zoom ranges or variable-aperture, it's looking like nobody makes their own take on the 12-100/4 and we can presume it is that size and weight because it must be. It contains several exotic elements, some of which Oly developed specifically for it.

Oly carved out a unique niche with lenses like this and especially the 150-400. They did not concern themselves with being "like those other guys" and my guess is OMDS will continue following that path. A couple teles on the lens roadmap have us curious as to what's next.

In case you missed it, the mZD 12-200/3.5-6.3 is smaller and lighter and weather-sealed. Perhaps a 16.6X zoom option?

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I don’t need that much length, and I shoot with the 24–200 icon all the time, so I can live with that size.

If the Olympus renders beautifully, more than anything else, in that range, I’d consider it even though it’s big.

The common denominator here, is I can deal with almost anything, if there’s a real benefit.

Theres no size benefit and like it or not, larger sensors can get away with being slower.

All that said, the Olympus would have to benefit me in some other way than weight and size. That leaves image quality.

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Well, it seems that if you are convinced that ff is the only way to get top notch image quality, you really shouldn’t be looking at any MFT option. I’ve never owned a full frame camera beyond my film days, so I have nothing to compare.

JKdad said:

[ATTACH]3377583[/ATTACH] gary0319 said:

Skeeterbytes said:

JKdad said:

Skeeterbytes said:

JKdad said:

There’s no reason for some of these MFT lenses to be so big.

The size and weight of the 12-100 blows my mind compared to the APSC and even FF equivalents.

Click to expand...

There are equivalents to the 12-100? It would need to be 8.3X beginning at 12/24mm and no weak points along the zoom range, constant-aperture, OIS, weathersealed.

Sets a high bar among standard zooms.

Click to expand...

There’s the Sony 18-105 G which is a bit smaller and has everything you mentioned but not quite the range. But it also supports a much bigger sensor.

There’s also the Fuji 18-120 that has everything as well.

Both constant F4.

And in all seriousness, when you step up in sensor size, you can get same or better performance out of a slower lens.

My Z 24-200, even at at 6.3 on the long end performs decent in low light as it and the body have decent stabilization. High iso performance is a thing

That lens is smaller than the Oly 12-100.

I’m definitely not trying to bash MFT, as you can see I’m trying to find a reason to buy one. I just think MFT is leaving a lot of sales on the table by not figuring out how to make high-performance lenses in a much smaller package than the competition.

Click to expand...

Given these are either shorter zoom ranges or variable-aperture, it's looking like nobody makes their own take on the 12-100/4 and we can presume it is that size and weight because it must be. It contains several exotic elements, some of which Oly developed specifically for it.

Oly carved out a unique niche with lenses like this and especially the 150-400. They did not concern themselves with being "like those other guys" and my guess is OMDS will continue following that path. A couple teles on the lens roadmap have us curious as to what's next.

In case you missed it, the mZD 12-200/3.5-6.3 is smaller and lighter and weather-sealed. Perhaps a 16.6X zoom option?

Click to expand...

Or the 14-150 f/4-5.6 which is smaller yet, and good IQ all the way out.

Click to expand...

now that lens could be an option! This is what I’m talking about, looks like a lot of lens and a very small package. Here it is compared to the 18–1 40 for my Z 50.

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I only recently sold off my 14-150 f/4-5.6 after acquiring the 12-45 and 40-150 f/4’s. The 14-150 is a great little lens especially on the E-M5 series (same size as the 10 series, but with an FAS screen) but works really well with the E-M10 IV.

gary0319 said:

JKdad said:

Skeeterbytes said:

JKdad said:

Skeeterbytes said:

JKdad said:

There’s no reason for some of these MFT lenses to be so big.

The size and weight of the 12-100 blows my mind compared to the APSC and even FF equivalents.

Click to expand...

There are equivalents to the 12-100? It would need to be 8.3X beginning at 12/24mm and no weak points along the zoom range, constant-aperture, OIS, weathersealed.

Sets a high bar among standard zooms.

Click to expand...

There’s the Sony 18-105 G which is a bit smaller and has everything you mentioned but not quite the range. But it also supports a much bigger sensor.

There’s also the Fuji 18-120 that has everything as well.

Both constant F4.

And in all seriousness, when you step up in sensor size, you can get same or better performance out of a slower lens.

My Z 24-200, even at at 6.3 on the long end performs decent in low light as it and the body have decent stabilization. High iso performance is a thing

That lens is smaller than the Oly 12-100.

I’m definitely not trying to bash MFT, as you can see I’m trying to find a reason to buy one. I just think MFT is leaving a lot of sales on the table by not figuring out how to make high-performance lenses in a much smaller package than the competition.

Click to expand...

Given these are either shorter zoom ranges or variable-aperture, it's looking like nobody makes their own take on the 12-100/4 and we can presume it is that size and weight because it must be. It contains several exotic elements, some of which Oly developed specifically for it.

Oly carved out a unique niche with lenses like this and especially the 150-400. They did not concern themselves with being "like those other guys" and my guess is OMDS will continue following that path. A couple teles on the lens roadmap have us curious as to what's next.

In case you missed it, the mZD 12-200/3.5-6.3 is smaller and lighter and weather-sealed. Perhaps a 16.6X zoom option?

Click to expand...

I don’t need that much length, and I shoot with the 24–200 icon all the time, so I can live with that size.

If the Olympus renders beautifully, more than anything else, in that range, I’d consider it even though it’s big.

The common denominator here, is I can deal with almost anything, if there’s a real benefit.

Theres no size benefit and like it or not, larger sensors can get away with being slower.

All that said, the Olympus would have to benefit me in some other way than weight and size. That leaves image quality.

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Well, it seems that if you are convinced that ff is the only way to get top notch image quality, you really shouldn’t be looking at any MFT option. I’ve never owned a full frame camera beyond my film days, so I have nothing to compare.

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I’m not saying that at all. The fact I use the RX 100 often should tell you that. There just needs to be trade-offs. The RX 100 doesn’t produce files that my FF does, the trade-off is a tiny camera with a long zoom.

Then your best option for a normal zoom lens for the Olympus EM10 IV would be the Panasonic 12-32mm f/3.5-5.6 lens. One good thing about M4/3 is that you have the most options for lenses of any MILC system. So you really should consider all your options before deciding on any of them.

The 12-32mm is a very good lens that works great as a street shooter. It is absolutely tiny, and delivers very good results. There are better lenses, but they are significantly larger, heavier and much more expensive. For a hobbyist, this lens is ideal for street shooting. If you need more, then buy one of the top rated normal zooms, but just get used to carrying twice as much weight.



Incidentally, Panasonic also makes a very nice miniature zoom lens, the Panasonic 35-100mm f/4.0-5.6. I own both the 12-32mm and the 35-100mm miniature lenses and I can tell you they are exceptionally good lenses for the prices. They aren't weather sealed or as sharp or fast as their upgrade counterparts, but if you shoot in daylight the speed shouldn't matter that much. And if you require weather sealing, then there is no small or light option for you. And remember, your EM10 IV isn't weather sealed, so using weather sealed lenses on it won't prevent water damage.\\

Look how the slower kit lenses compare to their upgrade counterparts. The upgrade lenses certainly are better, but you have almost doubled the weight. But I feel these lenses are a good match for a mid range camera like the EM10 IV. After all, if you wanted the very best you would be buying an OM-1 or a GH6.



Good luck, whatever you decide to get.

Sometimes having so many options can be confusing. But I am glad we have them!



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Marty4650 said:

Then your best option for a normal zoom lens for the Olympus EM10 IV would be the Panasonic 12-32mm f/3.5-5.6 lens. One good thing about M4/3 is that you have the most options for lenses of any MILC system. So you really should consider all your options before deciding on any of them.

The 12-32mm is a very good lens that works great as a street shooter. It is absolutely tiny, and delivers very good results. There are better lenses, but they are significantly larger, heavier and much more expensive. For a hobbyist, this lens is ideal for street shooting. If you need more, then buy one of the top rated normal zooms, but just get used to carrying twice as much weight.



Incidentally, Panasonic also makes a very nice miniature zoom lens, the Panasonic 35-100mm f/4.0-5.6. I own both the 12-32mm and the 35-100mm miniature lenses and I can tell you they are exceptionally good lenses for the prices. They aren't weather sealed or as sharp or fast as their upgrade counterparts, but if you shoot in daylight the speed shouldn't matter that much. And if you require weather sealing, then there is no small or light option for you. And remember, your EM10 IV isn't weather sealed, so using weather sealed lenses on it won't prevent water damage.\\

Look how the slower kit lenses compare to their upgrade counterparts. The upgrade lenses certainly are better, but you have almost doubled the weight. But I feel these lenses are a good match for a mid range camera like the EM10 IV. After all, if you wanted the very best you would be buying an OM-1 or a GH6.



Good luck, whatever you decide to get.

Sometimes having so many options can be confusing. But I am glad we have them!

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Good post. I would add the Olympus 12-45mm f4 to the list though.

Marty4650 said:

Then your best option for a normal zoom lens for the Olympus EM10 IV would be the Panasonic 12-32mm f/3.5-5.6 lens. One good thing about M4/3 is that you have the most options for lenses of any MILC system. So you really should consider all your options before deciding on any of them.

The 12-32mm is a very good lens that works great as a street shooter. It is absolutely tiny, and delivers very good results. There are better lenses, but they are significantly larger, heavier and much more expensive. For a hobbyist, this lens is ideal for street shooting. If you need more, then buy one of the top rated normal zooms, but just get used to carrying twice as much weight.



Incidentally, Panasonic also makes a very nice miniature zoom lens, the Panasonic 35-100mm f/4.0-5.6. I own both the 12-32mm and the 35-100mm miniature lenses and I can tell you they are exceptionally good lenses for the prices. They aren't weather sealed or as sharp or fast as their upgrade counterparts, but if you shoot in daylight the speed shouldn't matter that much. And if you require weather sealing, then there is no small or light option for you. And remember, your EM10 IV isn't weather sealed, so using weather sealed lenses on it won't prevent water damage.\\

Look how the slower kit lenses compare to their upgrade counterparts. The upgrade lenses certainly are better, but you have almost doubled the weight. But I feel these lenses are a good match for a mid range camera like the EM10 IV. After all, if you wanted the very best you would be buying an OM-1 or a GH6.



Good luck, whatever you decide to get.

Sometimes having so many options can be confusing. But I am glad we have them!

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I agree that the Panasonic 12-32 is the smallest and the quality is excellent. I couldn’t abide the lack of a manual focus ring as I use focus peaking a lot, so I opted for the Oly 14-42 EZ. Some say the Panny is sharper but I have two 14-42 and one is stellar and the other is just very good so sample variation may be the difference.

bakubo said:

Marty4650 said:

Then your best option for a normal zoom lens for the Olympus EM10 IV would be the Panasonic 12-32mm f/3.5-5.6 lens. One good thing about M4/3 is that you have the most options for lenses of any MILC system. So you really should consider all your options before deciding on any of them.

The 12-32mm is a very good lens that works great as a street shooter. It is absolutely tiny, and delivers very good results. There are better lenses, but they are significantly larger, heavier and much more expensive. For a hobbyist, this lens is ideal for street shooting. If you need more, then buy one of the top rated normal zooms, but just get used to carrying twice as much weight.



Incidentally, Panasonic also makes a very nice miniature zoom lens, the Panasonic 35-100mm f/4.0-5.6. I own both the 12-32mm and the 35-100mm miniature lenses and I can tell you they are exceptionally good lenses for the prices. They aren't weather sealed or as sharp or fast as their upgrade counterparts, but if you shoot in daylight the speed shouldn't matter that much. And if you require weather sealing, then there is no small or light option for you. And remember, your EM10 IV isn't weather sealed, so using weather sealed lenses on it won't prevent water damage.\\

Look how the slower kit lenses compare to their upgrade counterparts. The upgrade lenses certainly are better, but you have almost doubled the weight. But I feel these lenses are a good match for a mid range camera like the EM10 IV. After all, if you wanted the very best you would be buying an OM-1 or a GH6.



Good luck, whatever you decide to get.

Sometimes having so many options can be confusing. But I am glad we have them!

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Good post. I would add the Olympus 12-45mm f4 to the list though.

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That was mentioned and seems like a good lens. Problem is I’m not sure it gives me much more than the 16-50 for my Z50.

gary0319 said:

I agree that the Panasonic 12-32 is the smallest and the quality is excellent. I couldn’t abide the lack of a manual focus ring as I use focus peaking a lot, so I opted for the Oly 14-42 EZ. Some say the Panny is sharper but I have two 14-42 and one is stellar and the other is just very good so sample variation may be the difference.

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For "streetish" shooting no focus ring is a fatal shortcoming. 12-32 is nevertheless a sharp lens and until getting the 12-45 the one I'd pack for going minimalist.

bakubo said:

Good post. I would add the Olympus 12-45mm f4 to the list though.

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Yes, an excellent choice too. I don't know how I overlooked it.

I would rank that lens right in the middle, just below the f/2.8 zooms. It is a reasonably small and light lens, with the advantage of weather sealing and a constant f/4.0 aperture. Given a choice, a constant f/4.0 is a lot more useful than a variable f/3.5-5.6.

In fact, even though I already have too many lenses (fourteen, at last count), I am lusting after the 8-25mm f/4.0 PRO lens.

This is what happens when you have "too many good options."

Marty4650 said:

In fact, even though I already have too many lenses (fourteen, at last count), I am lusting after the 8-25mm f/4.0 PRO lens.

This is what happens when you have "too many good options."

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Same, Marty, the 8-25 would be welcomed to my pretty packed kit. Still shooting the 4/3 7-14, which isn't exactly svelte.

Cheers,

Rick

Marty4650 said:

1. Marty4650 wrote:

Then your best option for a normal zoom lens for the Olympus EM10 IV would be the Panasonic 12-32mm f/3.5-5.6 lens. One good thing about M4/3 is that you have the most options for lenses of any MILC system. So you really should consider all your options before deciding on any of them.

The 12-32mm is a very good lens that works great as a street shooter. It is absolutely tiny, and delivers very good results. There are better lenses, but they are significantly larger, heavier and much more expensive. For a hobbyist, this lens is ideal for street shooting. If you need more, then buy one of the top rated normal zooms, but just get used to carrying twice as much weight.



Incidentally, Panasonic also makes a very nice miniature zoom lens, the Panasonic 35-100mm f/4.0-5.6. I own both the 12-32mm and the 35-100mm miniature lenses and I can tell you they are exceptionally good lenses for the prices. They aren't weather sealed or as sharp or fast as their upgrade counterparts, but if you shoot in daylight the speed shouldn't matter that much. And if you require weather sealing, then there is no small or light option for you. And remember, your EM10 IV isn't weather sealed, so using weather sealed lenses on it won't prevent water damage.\\

Look how the slower kit lenses compare to their upgrade counterparts. The upgrade lenses certainly are better, but you have almost doubled the weight. But I feel these lenses are a good match for a mid range camera like the EM10 IV. After all, if you wanted the very best you would be buying an OM-1 or a GH6.



Good luck, whatever you decide to get.

Sometimes having so many options can be confusing. But I am glad we have them!

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Actually, I would love to be looking at one of the higher end cameras, the OM-1 seems great.

However, I don’t understand why that camera is so big, it’s larger than my Z5 and quite a bit larger than my buddy’s A7RIV.

More important than that, I literally hate articulating screens for my use. I shoot mostly waist level, and the articulating screen is a dealbreaker for me. That’s the main reason for me looking into the EM10.

Those with the 12-45: how’s the rendering? I’m not obsessed with sharpness, I prefer classic rendering. That’s why I prefer the Z 40 2 over the 1.8 primes.

Rich color and contrast is where it’s at for me. I’m the weirdo who thinks the Fuji 18 2 makes beautiful pictures… way better than the 1-4 Fuji primes.

Inuse the Leica color profile in PL6 of that gives you a idea of what I like

JKdad said:

Those with the 12-45: how’s the rendering? I’m not obsessed with sharpness, I prefer classic rendering. That’s why I prefer the Z 40 2 over the 1.8 primes.

Rich color and contrast is where it’s at for me. I’m the weirdo who thinks the Fuji 18 2 makes beautiful pictures… way better than the 1-4 Fuji primes.

Inuse the Leica color profile in PL6 of that gives you a idea of what I like

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OM-1 12-45

I like it.

Cheers,

Rick

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I move fast once I get that feeling. Just watched a video of a funny Asian guy using the EM5 with the 12-45.



The images he took are exactly what I like.



So, I just ordered the EM5 (not the 10) from BH and it’ll be here tomorrow.



I really hate the idea of the side screen, but it seems like the 5 is really a step up in AF and some fun computation stuff.



If I don’t like it, it’ll go in the drawer with the Fuji gear I can’t stand.

Actually, it’s the OM5. I hear it’s the same thing. $1500 with the lens. Overnighted.

JKdad said:

Actually, it’s the OM5. I hear it’s the same thing. $1500 with the lens. Overnighted.

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Great choice. I have the OM-5 with the 12-45 and I love it. Beyo9nd the E-M10 IV you get PDAF focusing, Hand Held Hi Rez, weather sealing, in camera focus stacking and more.\

Have fun exploring the OM flavor......... I find it yummy.

gary0319 said:

JKdad said:

Actually, it’s the OM5. I hear it’s the same thing. $1500 with the lens. Overnighted.

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Great choice. I have the OM-5 with the 12-45 and I love it. Beyo9nd the E-M10 IV you get PDAF focusing, Hand Held Hi Rez, weather sealing, in camera focus stacking and more.\

Have fun exploring the OM flavor......... I find it yummy.

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I’m pretty excited about it and what I can see through exhaustive searching, the 12-45 renders exactly how I like. That’s more important than anything to me.

Now I need to find a longer zoom to go with it to use on occasion. Nothing fancy, just decent.

I didn’t have time to search, because the deadline to get the kit tomorrow was up in 45 seconds.

I’m also looking forward to the different aspect ratio of the images

Skeeterbytes said:

gary0319 said:

I agree that the Panasonic 12-32 is the smallest and the quality is excellent. I couldn’t abide the lack of a manual focus ring as I use focus peaking a lot, so I opted for the Oly 14-42 EZ. Some say the Panny is sharper but I have two 14-42 and one is stellar and the other is just very good so sample variation may be the difference.

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For "streetish" shooting no focus ring is a fatal shortcoming. 12-32 is nevertheless a sharp lens and until getting the 12-45 the one I'd pack for going minimalist.

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I probably go to extremes, but I prefer the absolute smallest and lightest kit for street shooting. Getting the shot always counts more for me than ultimate image quality, so here is what I use:


Panasonic GM1, Panasonic 12-32mm, 35-100mm and 14mm lenses. Two spare batteries and charger.

Funkmon said:

I get about 1/4s on the E-P7 at 17mm, max, but the E-M10 had me down to an easy 2 seconds, sometimes more. The EM1.3 I can hit 15 seconds.

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maybe its also the different handling of the M10VI?