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Dissapointed with A7r5, shutter sound
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trainerKEN
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But just 2 months ago, you posted this in the Fujifilm forum:Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66563167
from reading your comment... why did you even bother? Seems like you were pretty negative on Sony in general, you listed a bunch of things that weren't addressed with the a7RV, and then... just like that you went out and bought it (?)
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daran
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Sounds like you think there is insufficient competition going on. But honestly it seems more healthy than other areas of tech. And way more than say 10 years ago. Either way this doesn't really support your earlier statement where you claimed Sony 'd be all Marketing and no innovation (compared to whom?), all the while buying their stuff. You like to provoke (aka troll) a bit, don't you?
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The A1 electronic shutter does make a quiet sound by default, but there is a menu option to make it completely silent.
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AlephNull
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I was testing something last night, using the old cabled remote (the one with the micro USB connector) and triggering the shutter with the camera on the desk. The shutter sounded louder. Quite a bit louder. When I’m holding the camera it has never sounded that loud.
So if your main experience of the shutter sound is with the camera on a table or desk, try it hand-held - maybe you will be surprised?
So if your main experience of the shutter sound is with the camera on a table or desk, try it hand-held - maybe you will be surprised?
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lol… personally I like shooting multiple systems - they all bring something to the party. I love my Fujis - just took delivery of my silver X-T5 but your claim that the X-H2 is “seriously night and day better than the A1 in every way” is laughable.Not really, its just a sounding platform. I'm interested in others feedback, positive and negative too. Problem is there are far too many people in many of the forums who take honest, factual comments personally as if they are the only one's whose opinion's count. Its better to take comments objectively imo, sure I'm quite free with my comments but I try to be as honest and factual as possible and entirely impartial and without any brand allegiances.Yes, I was stupid to believe A7r5 would satisfy me after the a7iv frustrations. Turns out A1 is probably the only thing close to what is acceptable for me. In many respects its pretty sad that after nearly 2 years since A1 release nothing from Sony/Canon/Nikon has been able to offer everything I would like in a single hybrid camera bodyFind it hard to believe you didn't realize all of this before buying the A7RV.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66008103
Especially after all your rants about the A7IV and in many other threads.
The X-T5 is a joy to use but for anything that moves I’m grabbing the A1, not the Fuji.
Do you remember the thread you started that stated the X-H2 is underpriced that eventually got locked? This is an excerpt from one of your posts.
You:
< I could go on, but Sony cameras are marketed well, I see the appeal in the tracking but not everyone is in tracking modes all of the time, it lacks so many creative functions;
No double exposure, the most basic of creative features
No focus bracketing, not even a 3 bracket option for landscape, near, mid, far, how difficult can that be to implement
No long exposure greater than 30 seconds, no bulb feedback timer either
Locks exposure in timer delay, why if the af system is so sophisticated
No useful features like
Pre-burst, rolling buffers
weak ibis
expensive cfe type a cards
no fas
evf that really drops resolution in burst, who knows what its at
no 6k video option, why
odd aperture drive
poor auto wb indoor
my list of Sony's functionality goes on and on, no pin-point af option except in magnify mode (only available in s-af) a sensor that for some reason is a magnet for dust, the star eater issues, the limited memory recalls on the dial, 3? Its a very cheap camera at a very expensive price, I'm really surprised people pay that sort of money and you say the H2 would overpriced at 4k, compared to the A1 its seriously night and day better in every single way.>
And now you are *rebuying* an A1 for the 2nd time? Alrighty then.
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Most comments are subjective… that is why people ask for photographs or recordings to illustrate problems. How many decibels is the shutter? Decibel comparisons… ? The shutter in the A7R V is different from the 4 and apparently protects the sensor from dust… If it works it could be worth a decibel or two.. ? The new AI focus might mean a higher rate of sharp images in those once in a lifetime opportunities… always a bigger picture. I Mac…Not really, its just a sounding platform. I'm interested in others feedback, positive and negative too. Problem is there are far too many people in many of the forums who take honest, factual comments personally as if they are the only one's whose opinion's count. Its better to take comments objectively imo, sure I'm quite free with my comments but I try to be as honest and factual as possible and entirely impartial and without any brand allegiances.Some people here are more camera hedonists than photographers. Hey, it’s a gear forum. The amusing thing is that they think that their personal, unique pursuit of personal pleasure from gear has the slightest interest for anyone but themselves. Or, more likely, they don’t even care about us.And-roid has gone through many camera bodies. Don't think they will ever be happy and always chasing the next dream spec.After reading a past thread (posted link) of yours and Sony cameras all i can say is that your a troll rep for Fuji. i have owned a few of the cameras you mention, your not even close on evaluation of even the a74. i use it professionally and the camera is first class.Yes, I was stupid to believe A7r5 would satisfy me after the a7iv frustrations. Turns out A1 is probably the only thing close to what is acceptable for me. In many respects its pretty sad that after nearly 2 years since A1 release nothing from Sony/Canon/Nikon has been able to offer everything I would like in a single hybrid camera bodyFind it hard to believe you didn't realize all of this before buying the A7RV.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66008103
Especially after all your rants about the A7IV and in many other threads.
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No, I dont do any trolling I just like to point out to Sony, Canon, Fuji and Nikon the four brands I have used, first three a lot, areas where they still fall short. Sony are obviously listening to me as why else did they add the bulb timer, the improved ibis and of course focus bracketing the main items I have been calling them out on for some time, coincidence? I didn't here anyone except me calling them out repeatedly on the max 30 seconds so it does have an impact. Hopefully they'll add it to the A1, fingers crossed and the focus bracketing, but both can be done in apps now so its no longer as big a pain as it was previously.
daran
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Seems like you write much, but read little. Or more likely you are just trolling me now. Those requests have been raised time and again. Not just on dpreview, either.
Yes, by me mainly!
Sometimes you have to admit defeat and go with what is available. I can actually deal with a lot of the Sony A1 shortcomings with apps, which is a bonus for the A1 as of today. My main problem with X-H2 is I didn't realise how bad the low light noise would be, so it's sort of thrown me off track, also the 10-24 seems lacking on the H2, I like zooms but the 8-16 is a bit of a monster. So I decided to reconsider and will settle with 12-24.4 on Sony and the Tamron 17-28 for compact companion to the 24-105. I couldn't get my head around the Fuji 150-600 so it looks as if I will compromise on the 200-600 for more serious wildlife and the Tamron 50-400 as a light travel option. Hopefully helps explain my about turn, lenses!lol… personally I like shooting multiple systems - they all bring something to the party. I love my Fujis - just took delivery of my silver X-T5 but your claim that the X-H2 is “seriously night and day better than the A1 in every way” is laughable.Not really, its just a sounding platform. I'm interested in others feedback, positive and negative too. Problem is there are far too many people in many of the forums who take honest, factual comments personally as if they are the only one's whose opinion's count. Its better to take comments objectively imo, sure I'm quite free with my comments but I try to be as honest and factual as possible and entirely impartial and without any brand allegiances.Yes, I was stupid to believe A7r5 would satisfy me after the a7iv frustrations. Turns out A1 is probably the only thing close to what is acceptable for me. In many respects its pretty sad that after nearly 2 years since A1 release nothing from Sony/Canon/Nikon has been able to offer everything I would like in a single hybrid camera bodyFind it hard to believe you didn't realize all of this before buying the A7RV.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66008103
Especially after all your rants about the A7IV and in many other threads.
The X-T5 is a joy to use but for anything that moves I’m grabbing the A1, not the Fuji.
Do you remember the thread you started that stated the X-H2 is underpriced that eventually got locked? This is an excerpt from one of your posts.
You:
< I could go on, but Sony cameras are marketed well, I see the appeal in the tracking but not everyone is in tracking modes all of the time, it lacks so many creative functions;
No double exposure, the most basic of creative features
No focus bracketing, not even a 3 bracket option for landscape, near, mid, far, how difficult can that be to implement
No long exposure greater than 30 seconds, no bulb feedback timer either
Locks exposure in timer delay, why if the af system is so sophisticated
No useful features like
Pre-burst, rolling buffers
weak ibis
expensive cfe type a cards
no fas
evf that really drops resolution in burst, who knows what its at
no 6k video option, why
odd aperture drive
poor auto wb indoor
my list of Sony's functionality goes on and on, no pin-point af option except in magnify mode (only available in s-af) a sensor that for some reason is a magnet for dust, the star eater issues, the limited memory recalls on the dial, 3? Its a very cheap camera at a very expensive price, I'm really surprised people pay that sort of money and you say the H2 would overpriced at 4k, compared to the A1 its seriously night and day better in every single way.>
And now you are *rebuying* an A1 for the 2nd time? Alrighty then.
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People who lack creativity ask for all kinds of features. They think features will make the difference, not their own actions.Sometimes you have to admit defeat and go with what is available. I can actually deal with a lot of the Sony A1 shortcomings with apps, which is a bonus for the A1 as of today. My main problem with X-H2 is I didn't realise how bad the low light noise would be, so it's sort of thrown me off track, also the 10-24 seems lacking on the H2, I like zooms but the 8-16 is a bit of a monster. So I decided to reconsider and will settle with 12-24.4 on Sony and the Tamron 17-28 for compact companion to the 24-105. I couldn't get my head around the Fuji 150-600 so it looks as if I will compromise on the 200-600 for more serious wildlife and the Tamron 50-400 as a light travel option. Hopefully helps explain my about turn, lenses!lol… personally I like shooting multiple systems - they all bring something to the party. I love my Fujis - just took delivery of my silver X-T5 but your claim that the X-H2 is “seriously night and day better than the A1 in every way” is laughable.Not really, its just a sounding platform. I'm interested in others feedback, positive and negative too. Problem is there are far too many people in many of the forums who take honest, factual comments personally as if they are the only one's whose opinion's count. Its better to take comments objectively imo, sure I'm quite free with my comments but I try to be as honest and factual as possible and entirely impartial and without any brand allegiances.Yes, I was stupid to believe A7r5 would satisfy me after the a7iv frustrations. Turns out A1 is probably the only thing close to what is acceptable for me. In many respects its pretty sad that after nearly 2 years since A1 release nothing from Sony/Canon/Nikon has been able to offer everything I would like in a single hybrid camera bodyFind it hard to believe you didn't realize all of this before buying the A7RV.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66008103
Especially after all your rants about the A7IV and in many other threads.
The X-T5 is a joy to use but for anything that moves I’m grabbing the A1, not the Fuji.
Do you remember the thread you started that stated the X-H2 is underpriced that eventually got locked? This is an excerpt from one of your posts.
You:
< I could go on, but Sony cameras are marketed well, I see the appeal in the tracking but not everyone is in tracking modes all of the time, it lacks so many creative functions;
No double exposure, the most basic of creative features
No focus bracketing, not even a 3 bracket option for landscape, near, mid, far, how difficult can that be to implement
No long exposure greater than 30 seconds, no bulb feedback timer either
Locks exposure in timer delay, why if the af system is so sophisticated
No useful features like
Pre-burst, rolling buffers
weak ibis
expensive cfe type a cards
no fas
evf that really drops resolution in burst, who knows what its at
no 6k video option, why
odd aperture drive
poor auto wb indoor
my list of Sony's functionality goes on and on, no pin-point af option except in magnify mode (only available in s-af) a sensor that for some reason is a magnet for dust, the star eater issues, the limited memory recalls on the dial, 3? Its a very cheap camera at a very expensive price, I'm really surprised people pay that sort of money and you say the H2 would overpriced at 4k, compared to the A1 its seriously night and day better in every single way.>
And now you are *rebuying* an A1 for the 2nd time? Alrighty then.
Creative people don't care much, since you can't be creative without struggle and barriers to overcome.
This is true but if the functionality is limited or obtrusive, ie shutter actuation sound, then it can also stifle creativity and become a negative influence too.People who lack creativity ask for all kinds of features. They think features will make the difference, not their own actions.Sometimes you have to admit defeat and go with what is available. I can actually deal with a lot of the Sony A1 shortcomings with apps, which is a bonus for the A1 as of today. My main problem with X-H2 is I didn't realise how bad the low light noise would be, so it's sort of thrown me off track, also the 10-24 seems lacking on the H2, I like zooms but the 8-16 is a bit of a monster. So I decided to reconsider and will settle with 12-24.4 on Sony and the Tamron 17-28 for compact companion to the 24-105. I couldn't get my head around the Fuji 150-600 so it looks as if I will compromise on the 200-600 for more serious wildlife and the Tamron 50-400 as a light travel option. Hopefully helps explain my about turn, lenses!lol… personally I like shooting multiple systems - they all bring something to the party. I love my Fujis - just took delivery of my silver X-T5 but your claim that the X-H2 is “seriously night and day better than the A1 in every way” is laughable.Not really, its just a sounding platform. I'm interested in others feedback, positive and negative too. Problem is there are far too many people in many of the forums who take honest, factual comments personally as if they are the only one's whose opinion's count. Its better to take comments objectively imo, sure I'm quite free with my comments but I try to be as honest and factual as possible and entirely impartial and without any brand allegiances.Yes, I was stupid to believe A7r5 would satisfy me after the a7iv frustrations. Turns out A1 is probably the only thing close to what is acceptable for me. In many respects its pretty sad that after nearly 2 years since A1 release nothing from Sony/Canon/Nikon has been able to offer everything I would like in a single hybrid camera bodyFind it hard to believe you didn't realize all of this before buying the A7RV.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66008103
Especially after all your rants about the A7IV and in many other threads.
The X-T5 is a joy to use but for anything that moves I’m grabbing the A1, not the Fuji.
Do you remember the thread you started that stated the X-H2 is underpriced that eventually got locked? This is an excerpt from one of your posts.
You:
< I could go on, but Sony cameras are marketed well, I see the appeal in the tracking but not everyone is in tracking modes all of the time, it lacks so many creative functions;
No double exposure, the most basic of creative features
No focus bracketing, not even a 3 bracket option for landscape, near, mid, far, how difficult can that be to implement
No long exposure greater than 30 seconds, no bulb feedback timer either
Locks exposure in timer delay, why if the af system is so sophisticated
No useful features like
Pre-burst, rolling buffers
weak ibis
expensive cfe type a cards
no fas
evf that really drops resolution in burst, who knows what its at
no 6k video option, why
odd aperture drive
poor auto wb indoor
my list of Sony's functionality goes on and on, no pin-point af option except in magnify mode (only available in s-af) a sensor that for some reason is a magnet for dust, the star eater issues, the limited memory recalls on the dial, 3? Its a very cheap camera at a very expensive price, I'm really surprised people pay that sort of money and you say the H2 would overpriced at 4k, compared to the A1 its seriously night and day better in every single way.>
And now you are *rebuying* an A1 for the 2nd time? Alrighty then.
Creative people don't care much, since you can't be creative without struggle and barriers to overcome.
I am not sure why people are arguing this? If the OP doesnt like shutter noise, then so be it.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
If I had limitless funds, I would want the silent shutter of the A1 too.
Agreed but… He is labelling a new camera as noisy which could be subjective. Let’s have some comparative decibel readings.. What about the silent electronic shutter? We won’t have a Dpreview proper review for at least a year…when Adobe Camera Raw comes out for the camera…I am not sure why people are arguing this? If the OP doesnt like shutter noise, then so be it.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
If I had limitless funds, I would want the silent shutter of the A1 too.
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Well that's no fun. I thought we could have an entertaining little internet argument.
I would have also been much happier if the XF 150-600 were a stop or two faster.
The 200-600 is almost underpriced for what it delivers IMO. And for a light compact travel duo the 17-28 and 28-200 are hard to beat.
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I wish I knew how it sounded next to an A7R4, which IMO has a pretty quiet shutter. But everything is loud compared to silence.Agreed but… He is labelling a new camera as noisy which could be subjective. Let’s have some comparative decibel readings.. What about the silent electronic shutter? We won’t have a Dpreview proper review for at least a year…when Adobe Camera Raw comes out for the camera…I am not sure why people are arguing this? If the OP doesnt like shutter noise, then so be it.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
If I had limitless funds, I would want the silent shutter of the A1 too.
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Meanwhile, the A7iii still works great for me.Swapping it for the A1.
The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.
Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again
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