Dissapointed with A7r5, shutter sound

AlephNull · Dec 3, 2022

And-roid said:
Swapping it for the A1.

The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.

Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again

Having spent over a year with an A1 (almost exclusively), I had to re-accustom myself to the sound of the mechanical shutter on the A7R5.

I don't find it especially objectionable, even though I'm running it on full mechanical (not EFCS) - sort of a "thunk" noise.

Maybe I'm inured to the sound, having come from a 1DIII / 1DsIII / 1DIV in the past? Shooting a burst on an 1DIV was loud - I think the most polite description I've ever heard was that it sounded "authoritative" :-D

One of the advantages of the mechanical shutter is that it renders the slow sensor scan irrelevant - the fact that it takes 1/10s to scan doesn't matter if the frame has been captured at 1/250 or a bit faster (sync speed is 1/250).

The slower frame rate doesn't bother me - I have an A1 for that. I don't try to use one camera for all purposes.

I do not expect to use the A7R5 on electronic shutter; I tried using the A7R4 that way, and won't bother with the A7R5 - rolling shutter can be very obvious.

So I understand your disappointment if you do not like the sound of the shutter - if the camera is essentially a mechanical shutter camera, then the shutter sound will be ever-present.

alphaZ · Dec 3, 2022

TravelMore said:
Have you used the a1 before

Yes, have used it before and deeply regret selling it.

TravelMore said:
and if so, can you comment on the animal eye focus: rv vs a1?

I have only used the rV on my dog whereas I have used the A1 in lots of different wildlife.

Honestly, the rV does feel very sticky but in a burst, just like the 7iv you have the shutter noise and the reduced fps in lossless or even more shutter noise and reduced dr. You need to decide if these are deal breakers. For me personally its like £4,000.00 for 6fps and this loud shutter clatter! The other thing is the A1 is now heavily discounted in the UK with a £500 trade-in incentive, making the difference currently £1,300.00, which with everything taken into account seems a small premium, all things considered.

TravelMore said:
I've read that the a1 sometimes has trouble when the animal is semi obscured by foliage.

I don't recall such issues, and even so I'm not convinced a7rV won't be similarly effected.

TravelMore said:
I'm not totally concerned with birds, just somewhat. I'm more so interested in larger mammals moving around trees, high grass, etc.

In lowish light the A1 had no issue picking out the eyes with the relatively antiquated 70-300

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alphaZ · Dec 3, 2022

AlephNull said:
And-roid said:

Swapping it for the A1.

The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.

Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again

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Having spent over a year with an A1 (almost exclusively), I had to re-accustom myself to the sound of the mechanical shutter on the A7R5.

I don't find it especially objectionable, even though I'm running it on full mechanical (not EFCS) - sort of a "thunk" noise.

Maybe I'm inured to the sound, having come from a 1DIII / 1DsIII / 1DIV in the past? Shooting a burst on an 1DIV was loud - I think the most polite description I've ever heard was that it sounded "authoritative" :-D

One of the advantages of the mechanical shutter is that it renders the slow sensor scan irrelevant - the fact that it takes 1/10s to scan doesn't matter if the frame has been captured at 1/250 or a bit faster (sync speed is 1/250).

The slower frame rate doesn't bother me - I have an A1 for that. I don't try to use one camera for all purposes.

I do not expect to use the A7R5 on electronic shutter; I tried using the A7R4 that way, and won't bother with the A7R5 - rolling shutter can be very obvious.

So I understand your disappointment if you do not like the sound of the shutter - if the camera is essentially a mechanical shutter camera, then the shutter sound will be ever-present.

daran · Dec 3, 2022

MILC man said:
daran said:

MILC man said:

And-roid said:

Swapping it for the A1.

The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.

Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again

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dprtv just chose the a7rv as the best stills camera of the year.

people can decide for themselves who is offering the most qualified advice.

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Maybe I'm a bit thick, but I'm really not sure I get your point. You think the OP isn't qualified to judge how much he is annoyed by the shutter sound of his camera?

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do you really think that shutter sound was the only reason? how does that even make sense?

I've seen birds I was shooting flying away due to a big DSLR flapping it's mirror next to me, so I feel I kinda understand his sentiment.

MILC man said:
he did tell you: "Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again"

Fair enough, but I see all these as valid points. None of them should necessarily disqualify the A7RV from being selected camera of the year 2022, but mostly that is due to the A1 not being in the race. Besides the folks selecting this "camera of the year" are the same that famously used a Zamboni to demonstrate AF prowess of the Z9. I like them, but I'm not sure you should take them all that seriously.

MILC man · Dec 3, 2022

daran said:
MILC man said:

daran said:

MILC man said:

And-roid said:

Swapping it for the A1.

The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.

Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again

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dprtv just chose the a7rv as the best stills camera of the year.

people can decide for themselves who is offering the most qualified advice.

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Maybe I'm a bit thick, but I'm really not sure I get your point. You think the OP isn't qualified to judge how much he is annoyed by the shutter sound of his camera?

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do you really think that shutter sound was the only reason? how does that even make sense?

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I've seen birds I was shooting flying away due to a big DSLR flapping it's mirror next to me, so I feel I kinda understand his sentiment.

you understand because you shoot bif.

his "i resent the noise they make" claim wrt mechanical shutters is ridiculous.

daran said:
daran said:

he did tell you: "Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again"

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Fair enough, but I see all these as valid points. None of them should necessarily disqualify the A7RV from being selected camera of the year 2022, but mostly that is due to the A1 not being in the race. Besides the folks selecting this "camera of the year" are the same that famously used a Zamboni to demonstrate AF prowess of the Z9. I like them, but I'm not sure you should take them all that seriously.

as opposed to the post history of the o.p.? lol, you must be kidding.

he has a long history of posting false claims and nonsense about sony, for instance:

"Actually feels like Sony image quality has gone backwards since the A7r3, which as that was based on a7r2 is now quite some years!
New A1 menu system is still not the best, af system still doesn't support small af box. The awb is still average at best, lots of weird things going in with the aperture drive system, all in all I find Sony is all about marketing and very little substance." Sony a7 IV studio scene: 33MP sensor gives excellent detail but falls behind at high ISO: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

daran · Dec 3, 2022

MILC man said:
as opposed to the post history of the o.p.? lol, you must be kidding.

he has a long history of posting false claims and nonsense about sony, for instance:

"Actually feels like Sony image quality has gone backwards since the A7r3, which as that was based on a7r2 is now quite some years!
New A1 menu system is still not the best, af system still doesn't support small af box. The awb is still average at best, lots of weird things going in with the aperture drive system, all in all I find Sony is all about marketing and very little substance." Sony a7 IV studio scene: 33MP sensor gives excellent detail but falls behind at high ISO: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

I appear to have missed those insightful comments.../s

TravelMore · Dec 3, 2022

And-roid said:
TravelMore said:

Have you used the a1 before

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Yes, have used it before and deeply regret selling it.

alphaZ said:

and if so, can you comment on the animal eye focus: rv vs a1?

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I have only used the rV on my dog whereas I have used the A1 in lots of different wildlife.

Honestly, the rV does feel very sticky but in a burst, just like the 7iv you have the shutter noise and the reduced fps in lossless or even more shutter noise and reduced dr. You need to decide if these are deal breakers. For me personally its like £4,000.00 for 6fps and this loud shutter clatter! The other thing is the A1 is now heavily discounted in the UK with a £500 trade-in incentive, making the difference currently £1,300.00, which with everything taken into account seems a small premium, all things considered.

alphaZ said:

I've read that the a1 sometimes has trouble when the animal is semi obscured by foliage.

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I don't recall such issues, and even so I'm not convinced a7rV won't be similarly effected.

alphaZ said:

I'm not totally concerned with birds, just somewhat. I'm more so interested in larger mammals moving around trees, high grass, etc.

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In lowish light the A1 had no issue picking out the eyes with the relatively antiquated 70-300

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--yep. Def right on the money!

~TM

alphaZ · Dec 4, 2022

daran said:
MILC man said:

as opposed to the post history of the o.p.? lol, you must be kidding.

he has a long history of posting false claims and nonsense about sony, for instance:

"Actually feels like Sony image quality has gone backwards since the A7r3, which as that was based on a7r2 is now quite some years!
New A1 menu system is still not the best, af system still doesn't support small af box. The awb is still average at best, lots of weird things going in with the aperture drive system, all in all I find Sony is all about marketing and very little substance." Sony a7 IV studio scene: 33MP sensor gives excellent detail but falls behind at high ISO: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

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I appear to have missed those insightful comments.../s

A lot if not all of my comments past and current are consistent. I continue to resent not having an af-c "pin-point" box on Sony FF, no focus bracketing etc. I bought the A7r5 because it added focus bracketing, bulb timer in-camera but then that mechanical shutter rattling away like the A7IV its all deja-vu, sorry! The lossless raw reduced fps is also difficult to understand-accept.

On a wider note I do despair that Sony couldn't make a 40mp(ish), fastish scan with usable e-shutter like the Canon R5 for £4,000.00. Equally I wish Canon could embrace Tamron/Sigma/Samyang lenses and Nikon could put the Z9 in the Z7ii body size, why do they frustrate us like this.

Sometimes I think there's actually only 1 big camera company and all these brands are designed not to compete/overlap with each other.

alphaZ · Dec 4, 2022

TravelMore said:
And-roid said:

TravelMore said:

Have you used the a1 before

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Yes, have used it before and deeply regret selling it.

TravelMore said:

and if so, can you comment on the animal eye focus: rv vs a1?

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I have only used the rV on my dog whereas I have used the A1 in lots of different wildlife.

Honestly, the rV does feel very sticky but in a burst, just like the 7iv you have the shutter noise and the reduced fps in lossless or even more shutter noise and reduced dr. You need to decide if these are deal breakers. For me personally its like £4,000.00 for 6fps and this loud shutter clatter! The other thing is the A1 is now heavily discounted in the UK with a £500 trade-in incentive, making the difference currently £1,300.00, which with everything taken into account seems a small premium, all things considered.

TravelMore said:

I've read that the a1 sometimes has trouble when the animal is semi obscured by foliage.

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I don't recall such issues, and even so I'm not convinced a7rV won't be similarly effected.

TravelMore said:

I'm not totally concerned with birds, just somewhat. I'm more so interested in larger mammals moving around trees, high grass, etc.

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In lowish light the A1 had no issue picking out the eyes with the relatively antiquated 70-300

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--yep. Def right on the money!
~TM

G Pik · Dec 4, 2022

Sundre said:
Magnar W said:

Sundre said:

I hear you. I suppose shutter sound is a complete non-issue for many photographers, while for others, it is a deal breaker.

I know that I couldn't do my theatre work without a silent shutter, and I'm excited to see what the A9iii will bring to the table - hopefully soon.

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For a visit in the theatre, the A7 series scan time at e-shutter should work just fine. The limitation is fast action and fast panning.

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Not for the plays I do. I tried the A7iii and A7iv before settling on the A9; lots of distortion. But many of the plays I do involve dance and other kinds of fast movement.

If that is the case surely there is music and other sounds which would drown out shutter noise?

No account anymore · Dec 4, 2022

G Pik said:
Sundre said:

Magnar W said:

Sundre said:

I hear you. I suppose shutter sound is a complete non-issue for many photographers, while for others, it is a deal breaker.

I know that I couldn't do my theatre work without a silent shutter, and I'm excited to see what the A9iii will bring to the table - hopefully soon.

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For a visit in the theatre, the A7 series scan time at e-shutter should work just fine. The limitation is fast action and fast panning.

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Not for the plays I do. I tried the A7iii and A7iv before settling on the A9; lots of distortion. But many of the plays I do involve dance and other kinds of fast movement.

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If that is the case surely there is music and other sounds which would drown out shutter noise?

Agree. A much more annoying phenomena is peopple using the screen and lifting the camera up, so that all besides and behind them have to look at the small, bright view.

Sundre · Dec 4, 2022

G Pik said:
Sundre said:

Magnar W said:

Sundre said:

I hear you. I suppose shutter sound is a complete non-issue for many photographers, while for others, it is a deal breaker.

I know that I couldn't do my theatre work without a silent shutter, and I'm excited to see what the A9iii will bring to the table - hopefully soon.

Click to expand...

For a visit in the theatre, the A7 series scan time at e-shutter should work just fine. The limitation is fast action and fast panning.

Click to expand...

Not for the plays I do. I tried the A7iii and A7iv before settling on the A9; lots of distortion. But many of the plays I do involve dance and other kinds of fast movement.

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If that is the case surely there is music and other sounds which would drown out shutter noise?

Often there isn't, and my client has specifically requested a silent camera.

Any sideways movement faster than 1/40s or so causes distortion on A7 cameras, and there's plenty of that, often without music.

No account anymore · Dec 4, 2022

Sundre said:
G Pik said:

Sundre said:

Magnar W said:

Sundre said:

I hear you. I suppose shutter sound is a complete non-issue for many photographers, while for others, it is a deal breaker.

I know that I couldn't do my theatre work without a silent shutter, and I'm excited to see what the A9iii will bring to the table - hopefully soon.

Click to expand...

For a visit in the theatre, the A7 series scan time at e-shutter should work just fine. The limitation is fast action and fast panning.

Click to expand...

Not for the plays I do. I tried the A7iii and A7iv before settling on the A9; lots of distortion. But many of the plays I do involve dance and other kinds of fast movement.

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If that is the case surely there is music and other sounds which would drown out shutter noise?

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Often there isn't, and my client has specifically requested a silent camera.

Then the premises are set. I suppose they pay so well that buying an expesive, silent camera doesn't affect your salary much.

Sundre said:
Any sideways movement faster than 1/40s or so causes distortion on A7 cameras, and there's plenty of that, often without music.

That's where technology is today.

Waku Waku · Dec 4, 2022

And-roid said:
Swapping it for the A1.

The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.

Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again

Find it hard to believe you didn't realize all of this before buying the A7RV.

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Especially after all your rants about the A7IV and in many other threads.

alphaZ · Dec 4, 2022

c0nfund0 said:
And-roid said:

Swapping it for the A1.

The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.

Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again

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Find it hard to believe you didn't realize all of this before buying the A7RV.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66008103

Especially after all your rants about the A7IV and in many other threads.

Yes, I was stupid to believe A7r5 would satisfy me after the a7iv frustrations. Turns out A1 is probably the only thing close to what is acceptable for me. In many respects its pretty sad that after nearly 2 years since A1 release nothing from Sony/Canon/Nikon has been able to offer everything I would like in a single hybrid camera body

Steve W · Dec 4, 2022

And-roid said:
c0nfund0 said:

And-roid said:

Swapping it for the A1.

The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.

Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again

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Find it hard to believe you didn't realize all of this before buying the A7RV.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66008103

Especially after all your rants about the A7IV and in many other threads.

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Yes, I was stupid to believe A7r5 would satisfy me after the a7iv frustrations. Turns out A1 is probably the only thing close to what is acceptable for me. In many respects its pretty sad that after nearly 2 years since A1 release nothing from Sony/Canon/Nikon has been able to offer everything I would like in a single hybrid camera body

Well if you’re happier with the A1 you should just stick with it. Other than cost what deters you from getting back one and just keeping it for the next two years until other products get introduced? The A1 is my main camera but I do plan to try the A7RV. I sold both my A7RIV and A7IV so to try it hopefully will be cost neutral. Why am I trying it? While the A7IV disappointed you I liked its colors when shooting events with people. I’m hoping the A7RV has those same improved colors. If not will have to decide if it’s worth holding on to. Also I want the higher quality viewfinder, improved IBIS, and combination tilt-flippy screen and interested to see how the new AI assisted AF works out.

I’ve tried lots of cameras over the last five years and thankfully Sony refreshed their 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 GM lenses with the new version II so they are equal to or best in class. Their othe GM primes from 14mm to 50mm, and 135mm are also excellent and hopefully they will refresh the 85mm GM and the 16-35/2.8 GM but I can weight on those.

I’m trying out the Nikon Z9 and it’s far from perfect and while the Canon EOS R5 is very nice the lack of stacked sensor camera above 24 Mpixels and it’s heavier RF lenses, lack of RF L glass wider than 50mm can be problematic.

Also I assume, rightfully or wrongly, you have considered other brands since you appear to keep buying Sony. Are there any you prefer to Sony overall?

Malling · Dec 4, 2022

And-roid said:
Swapping it for the A1.

The main issue for me going forward is mechanical shutters have become obtrusive, I actually resent the noise they make! At least Fuji have made an attempt to 'soften' their mechanical shutter sound but the A7IV and now the A7r5 are ridiculously loud imo.

Throw in the other factors, slow sensor scan, limited fps in lossless compressed, limited e-shutter usage and I'm really struggling to justify buying an expensive non-stacked sensor camera ever again

It’s not a carbon fibre shutter and it travels a larger distance then crop sensors as other points out, there is simply physical limitations how quiet it can be, it’s still noticeable more quiet then older mirrorless and dare I say DSLR.

We have a DSLR still at home and next to that these Sony mechanical are silent as the night in comparison, also some I shoot actually prefer the audible click of the shutter as they use it to change posture.
I can understand the other points but why buy it when reading the specs sheet would tell you exactly that reality, even one review would underline that this is no fast action or vide camera.

Stick with an A1 or wait till A1ii comes out in 2024 would probably be a better idea.

Mark Sloe · Dec 4, 2022

Djehuty said:
Magnar W said:

Sundre said:

I hear you. I suppose shutter sound is a complete non-issue for many photographers, while for others, it is a deal breaker.

I know that I couldn't do my theatre work without a silent shutter, and I'm excited to see what the A9iii will bring to the table - hopefully soon.

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For a visit in the theatre, the A7 series scan time at e-shutter should work just fine. The limitation is fast action and fast panning.

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But I mean its not like the 'CLACKITY CLACK' DSLRs make

my a7riii is at least as loud as a pentax dslr i used to shoot, you obviously hear just a "click" as there is no mirror to "clackity" out of the way, but it is loud and high pitched. coming from fujifilm x-h1, it sounds like a rifle bolt and definitely something i had to get used to.

GF · Dec 4, 2022

Malling said:
It’s not a carbon fibre shutter and it travels a larger distance then crop sensors as other points out, there is simply physical limitations how quiet it can be, it’s still noticeable more quiet then older mirrorless and dare I say DSLR.

Try Leica camera then you know whether it is physical limitation.

MattiD80 · Dec 4, 2022

tqlla said:
The A7Riv is a lot quieter than my A7Riii.

Do you know if the A7Rv is louder than the A7Riv?

Exactly what i was thinking, i have A7RIV, and one of the reasons i loved it was the much quieter shutter then A7RIII, it's now for me the perfect amount of noise to give frame feedback without being obtrusive. I'm a sucker for mechanical shutter, i wouldn't buy Nikon Z9, just because it doesn't have it anymore. I love that Sony keeps it in A1 (though to expensive for me), and A7RIV/A7R5 as wel.

Hopefully it's the same unit as in A7RIV as for me it's perfect.

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