Nikon film camera with AF, auto exposure, and a manual advance lever

fpapp said:

neilt3 said:

I have a few if the series E lenses along with the F100 , but it's the F80 I would have liked to use them on .

The small compact lenses would be a perfect match to that body whilst still allowing me to use AF lenses on it .

You can use them , but to metering , so no aperture priority mode that I usually shoot in ...

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Perfect lens for the F80!

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Wasn't planning on getting any more Nikon lenses , but that 45mm lens would make a nice addition for the f80 and MF bodies .

There's only silver bodies ones on ebay in the U.K at the moment , I would have to get one from japan ( with extra TAX and import duty etc ) , but I might have a look around at the U.K shops .

fpapp said:

The Voigtlander lenses are fantastic too, but since they're discontinued they've become expensive and harder to find.

Voigtlander 20mm F3.5 Color Skopar SL II

Voigtlander 28mm F2.8 Color Skopar SL II

Voigtlander 40mm F2 Ultron SL II

Voigtlander 90mm F3.5 APO-Lanthar SL II

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Yes , nice lenses , but I'd like to use the lenses I have . I have to much gear as it is without buying more ! :-D

fpapp said:

It would have been nice if Nikon had the "non-cpu" metering option on the F80, but I suspect that was their way of forcing people to upgrade to the F100.

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Absolutely Nikon wanting to twist more money out of you .

fpapp said:

There is always the option of adding a chip to the non-cpu lenses. Dandelion chip

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I had completely forgotten about those Dandelion chips , thanks .

I'll certainly be getting one of them for on my Tamron Adaptall mount , I use the 17mm , 100mm Macro , 350mm Reflex and 500mm Reflex quite a bit .

They seem to have doubled in price ( at least ) since I last saw them , so I'm not sure it's worth adding them to my MF lenses . The Nikon series E 100mm might be a contender though .



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Overrank said:

neilt3 said:

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tammons said:

The F100 wont function properly with G lenses?

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F100 is 100% compatible with G lenses.

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Do all "G" lenses have a mechanical linkage for aperture control ?

Are non of the "E" lenses designated a G lens ?

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All G lenses have a mechanical linkage for the aperture. E lenses are a different designation and have electronic aperture (no linkage).

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Thank's , I wasn't sure if they were clearly differentiated.

Judging by questions on the forum if a certain third party lens was compatible on film bodies , they don't seem to make it clear that their lenses have the electronic aperture , which has caused confusion.

Resulting in "why doesn't my lens work ?" type questions.

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If it’s the lens I’m thinking of, there are two versions, one which does work on film Nikons and one which doesn’t

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Sounds about right , just to make it more confusing !

Off memory I think it might be the 45mm f/1.8 . On a quick search , one picture of it I found clearly had an aperture lever so would work on film . Perhaps an updated model has the electronic aperture , so no aperture lever ?

neilt3 said:

Overrank said:

neilt3 said:

fpapp said:

neilt3 said:

fpapp said:

tammons said:

The F100 wont function properly with G lenses?

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F100 is 100% compatible with G lenses.

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Do all "G" lenses have a mechanical linkage for aperture control ?

Are non of the "E" lenses designated a G lens ?

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All G lenses have a mechanical linkage for the aperture. E lenses are a different designation and have electronic aperture (no linkage).

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Thank's , I wasn't sure if they were clearly differentiated.

Judging by questions on the forum if a certain third party lens was compatible on film bodies , they don't seem to make it clear that their lenses have the electronic aperture , which has caused confusion.

Resulting in "why doesn't my lens work ?" type questions.

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If it’s the lens I’m thinking of, there are two versions, one which does work on film Nikons and one which doesn’t

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Sounds about right , just to make it more confusing !

Off memory I think it might be the 45mm f/1.8 . On a quick search , one picture of it I found clearly had an aperture lever so would work on film . Perhaps an updated model has the electronic aperture , so no aperture lever ?

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The one I was thinking of was the Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 VC and G2 version. I think the original version is OK, but the G2 version has an electronic aperture. I’d seen a video of someone using a zoom lens lens with a F5 and CMS 20 and getting better results that I’d got with a zoom and CMS20. I’m pretty sure it was the first version of the Tamron.

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neilt3 said:

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neilt3 wrote:.

A lot of Nikon fanboys make a big deal of how compatible Nikon lenses and bodies are as if any lens can be used on any body and it's utter nonsense .

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I can’t speak for others but I think it would be odd for anyone to be claiming compatibility with lenses that will be released in the future ( although I think the F4 was released before any AF-S lenses, and is compatible with them)

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I've come several people that are convinced that you can use a y lens on any body and everything works correctly.

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I wonder if this came from early publicity for Ai lenses, as you could still use your pre-Ai lenses the the FM, FE, F2, and with rabbit ears fitted use your Ai lenses on pre-AI bodies.

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Could be . I think miss-information spread on the web is the issue .

The more it's repeated , the more people believe it .

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You can only assume they realise that an AF lens will not AF on a MF body , but you've got to wonder !

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There is that teleconverter which allows you to AF a MF lens (TC-16A - https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/teleconverter/tc16a/index.htm )

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I have one of those teleconverters' , it works well .

Sigma also copied the design to make a Nikon F lens to Minolta A-mount as well as a Minolta SR mount lens to Minolta A-mount camera .

I have both of these as well , although the optics aren't as good as the OEM Nikon TC , they give quite good results . It was supposedly only compatible with the original Minolta 7000AF and 9000AF so I was surprised to find they work with my modern Sony's .

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The F4 is one of the cameras I have for it's versatility.

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Fitting a lens on a body is only part of the story .

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There are more incompatibilities than you’ve listed, particularly around metering. If you want to be compatible (including matrix metering) with most Nikon lenses up until around 2005 then buy an F4, or a pre-AI converted F6.

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The lack of metering on some bodies is annoying.

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And some bodies meter, but not quite - the F5 will meter manual focus lenses, but not matrix meter. It’s one reason as much as possible I use contemporary lenses on my Nikons (apart from 50mm f/1.8..)

Overrank said:

The main Nikon bodies I use are an F3 , an FE , F4 , F100 and F80 .

The F80 would be a nice camera to use more along with small prime's . Most of mine are MF , but it won't meter with them .

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I use a 50mm AF-D on mine, but then again I also use a 50mm AF-D on my FM (I’ve accumulated a few 50mm AF-Ds)

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I have the 50mm AF-D and I picked up a 28mm AF to go with it , apart from something longer , that covers most needs .

I do have zoom lenses ranging from 12mm upwards , but their hardly compact .

tammons said:

alex_virt said:

Just of curiosity, may I ask why you prefer manual film advance?

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Just curious.

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Why not just get a manual focus body if you have suitable lenses ?

What lenses do you have ?

If they have aperture control rings , you good to go , if there G lenses then you'll need a later AF body .

Overrank said:

neilt3 said:

Off memory I think it might be the 45mm f/1.8 . On a quick search , one picture of it I found clearly had an aperture lever so would work on film . Perhaps an updated model has the electronic aperture , so no aperture lever ?

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The one I was thinking of was the Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 VC and G2 version. I think the original version is OK, but the G2 version has an electronic aperture. I’d seen a video of someone using a zoom lens lens with a F5 and CMS 20 and getting better results that I’d got with a zoom and CMS20. I’m pretty sure it was the first version of the Tamron.

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I think there's a few lenses out there that can cause problems compatibility wise with these new electronic apertures , amongst other things .

tammons said:

alex_virt said:

Just of curiosity, may I ask why you prefer manual film advance?

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Just curious.

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There's nothing difficult or clever about using a film wind on lever - most of us were very happy for the newer cameras to wind themselves on, particularly as they then often included full motor drives without having to buy an add-on.

neilt3 said:

tammons said:

alex_virt said:

Just of curiosity, may I ask why you prefer manual film advance?

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Just curious.

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Why not just get a manual focus body if you have suitable lenses ?

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I own several manual film bodies.

Dont own any Nikon film bodies currently, although I have owned Nikon an F2 a while back.

I was just curious if such a film body had ever been made.

smithim said:

tammons said:

alex_virt said:

Just of curiosity, may I ask why you prefer manual film advance?

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Just curious.

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There's nothing difficult or clever about using a film wind on lever - most of us were very happy for the newer cameras to wind themselves on, particularly as they then often included full motor drives without having to buy an add-on.

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I don't mind manual winding on a medium format camera where every extra gram matters, but very much prefer a motor drive on 35mm – one less thing to think of, and the camera is always ready.

tammons said:

neilt3 said:

tammons said:

alex_virt said:

Just of curiosity, may I ask why you prefer manual film advance?

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Just curious.

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Why not just get a manual focus body if you have suitable lenses ?

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I own several manual film bodies.

Dont own any Nikon film bodies currently, although I have owned Nikon an F2 a while back.

I was just curious if such a film body had ever been made.

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Do your Nikon F lenses have the aperture control dail ?

If not they won't be useable on a manual focus body anyway .

So if you really want to have a play with that sort of camera , the Minolta 9000AF I linked to would do the job .

They use cheap and readily available Minolta / Sony A mount lenses .

Just make sure you pick up screw driven lenses and not SSM , SAM , Xi Zoom or power zoom lenses .

These have motors in the lens that the earlier cameras can't supply power too .

The SSM and SAM lenses are only compatible with cameras made from 2000 onwards .

The xi and powerzoom lenses work on bodies from the 7xi onwards .

Personally , if you just wanted to try an AF body with a manual wind , I wouldn't bother .

It doesn't add anything an auto wind camera doesn't have .

alex_virt said:

Just of curiosity, may I ask why you prefer manual film advance?

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I cannot reply for Tammons, but for me personally the loud noise of motor drives can be really disturbing. We have two Nikon F90X and one Canon EOS 3, and both cameras are telling the whole world around you that they now are going to accomplish the mission of advancing the film

That's why I love in particular film cameras with leaf shutters and manual film advance, they are ideal for really silent work (in such settings I use a vintage Kodak Retina IIIc for 135 or a New Mamiya 6 system for 120 film format). But they require manual focusing...

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Picturenaut said:

alex_virt said:

Just of curiosity, may I ask why you prefer manual film advance?

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I cannot reply for Tammons, but for me personally the loud noise of motor drives can be really disturbing. We have two Nikon F90X and one Canon EOS 3, and both cameras are telling the whole world around you that they now are going to accomplish the mission of advancing the film

That's why I love in particular film cameras with leaf shutters and manual film advance, they are ideal for really silent work (in such settings I use a vintage Kodak Retina IIIc for 135 or a New Mamiya 6 system for 120 film format). But they require manual focusing...

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It's a valid argument. The most obnoxiously noisy camera I have is the Pentax SF1n – if you think its film advance is too loud, wait till it starts rewinding! Sounds like a buzz saw No wonder it doesn't rewind automatically and requires a press of a button to give wedding photographers time to get out of the church

Depends on the camera though. What I like about my "new" Canon Elan 7 is almost silent, DSLR-like operation.

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It's a valid argument. The most obnoxiously noisy camera I have is the Pentax SF1n – if you think its film advance is too loud, wait till it starts rewinding! Sounds like a buzz saw No wonder it doesn't rewind automatically and requires a press of a button to give wedding photographers time to get out of the church

Depends on the camera though. What I like about my "new" Canon Elan 7 is almost silent, DSLR-like operation.

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Yepp, film rewinding is always impressive in terms of noise. Interesting what you write about your Elan 7 (EOS 30 for Europeans like me). Maybe I should take a closer look and replace my EOS 3 with one. The EOS 3 is really great in terms of metering and many other technical features including AF, but I also don't like much its plastic look, it is not exactly a beauty in Canon's line of classic film cameras. So I never really fell in love with it, I mostly use it when I shoot e.g. landscape with slide film because I know that the camera does the metering right.

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It's a valid argument. The most obnoxiously noisy camera I have is the Pentax SF1n – if you think its film advance is too loud, wait till it starts rewinding! Sounds like a buzz saw No wonder it doesn't rewind automatically and requires a press of a button to give wedding photographers time to get out of the church

Depends on the camera though. What I like about my "new" Canon Elan 7 is almost silent, DSLR-like operation.

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Yepp, film rewinding is always impressive in terms of noise. Interesting what you write about your Elan 7 (EOS 30 for Europeans like me). Maybe I should take a closer look and replace my EOS 3 with one. The EOS 3 is really great in terms of metering and many other technical features including AF, but I also don't like much its plastic look, it is not exactly a beauty in Canon's line of classic film cameras.

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Neither is the Elan 7 – just a blob of black plastic.









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alex_virt said:

Neither is the Elan 7 – just a blob of black plastic.

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But, finally, a blob of relatively SILENT plastic

In fact, I don't have a problem with solid plastic bodies, if they look nice - plus, they aren't feeling that cold outside in winter. My New Mamiya 6 is also made of plastic, mounted on a solid internal metal frame. For me it is a real beauty, clean Bauhaus style. And it is really as silent as a chemical film camera can be.


My New Mamiya 6 system with all three lenses.



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