KEG
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no doubt, all the Rs I have tried have been impressive.
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R6 mk I prices to drop on secondhand market? Still worth it?
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robgendreau
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Won't happen. Think about it: most folks who have a version X usually don't dump it for a version X+1 unless there's been a REALLY long time between models. Or if it's a flagship. Neither is the case here.
You may see some refurbs and overstocks though.
Reported issues? you must have missed the firmware upgrade.
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For me it's more related to the age of my subjects. It are those young bodies of my kids making me need fast AF.Yeah, that is my situation. I assume it tints my view a bit. I have the R from when it came out. It focuses great on it's 5DIV sensor so I don't need a new body.When the specs on the R6 II came out I set down read them and ask myself what my R6 will not do that I need and the answer was NOTHING. So no new bodies in my future. Now if I could replace this 72 year old body I have now, that would be worth a lot
A new actual body would be great, though.
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Because it is the replacement for the R6, not either of the other cameras. Also, the RP is an entry level body and fulfills a completely different market segment than the R6/R6 II. A $2k+ body is not going to be a replacement for a sub-$1k body. I suspect Canon has other plans for something to replace the R, or it may just be quietly removed from the product line at some point. But the R6 series is not a replacement for that either.
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When the picture quality is good enough, the improvements aren't that obvious until you've used them for a bit, and they are more about the possibilities for more ambitious images than huge differences in IQ. The EOS M100 is a case in point - when it first came out I didn't think it was worth the money to upgrade from an M10, even though it went from an 18 to a 24Mpx sensor. I bought one in a sale a couple of years later and now my M10 never gets used because of all the M100's other very minor refinements. But then I remember the days when the difference between an amateur camera's autowinder and a professional camera motordrive was that the motordrive would do 3 frames a second.
KEG
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R and RP don't fit within the naming structure and are the two oldest Rs still in production, presumed at least, their discontinuation must be imminent because sourcing components for their production must be getting harder as the time goes by.
Arthur Stanley Jefferson
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The overheating issue seems to have been substantially resolved in the R6 mk2. I hope the hotshoe working loose …( attached from inside too!) has been redesigned.
Sadly I do think Canon sell cameras with issues or limitations that needn’t be there, only to solve them with a new or higher cost model.
If they gave me the camera I wanted, (basically a 32mp with current AF and a fast sensor readout / higher flash sync, priced between the R6 &R5), that would be the only camera I’d need until it broke.
….I believe that Canon seem afraid of that, I guess that they assume I’d never spend money on another body if I got what I wanted, so they engineer the limitations (annoyances) into the design so that those that are bothered will upgrade….
I’m loaded with Ef lenses, hoping to update a couple of 5Dmk3s to mirrorless, if they made the camera I wanted, I’d buy 2, then upgrade some lenses from ef to rf if needed.
I think the R6 Mk2 came along so quickly because the R6 didn’t lure enough buyers and many Canon dslr users are still waiting for a body with the right spec, price and without those irritating limitations (hobbled features)
…I think the R6 mk2 will sell very well. Personally, I may have to wait for an R3 mk2 with 32mp or just swallow the cost of an R5 mk2 and shoot lower resolution.
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Hard to predict Canon in the current shrinking camera market.
The new 24mp sensor in the R6 mark II fixes (sorta) the one hedge people had when buying the camera. Did the R6 sell well for Canon? 20mp sensor was an issue for many buyers. If you weren't an expert, and even for many experts, the R was a better camera with its 30mp, great AF, better price, and still mounted RF glass.
The need for forum members to always explain that "20mp is enough" was very telling about the R6. The advantages of 20mp these days is a hard sell.
gipper51
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It is a hard sell. For me, if the R6 had come out with the 30MP sensor I likely would own one already. The 20MP is fine for my personal hobby needs, but I've drawn the line in the sand that 20MP is too low for a backup/2nd shooter body for my paid work (architectural), so the R6 was a no-go for me.
Canon did a brilliant job of separating the MP between the R5 and R6 just enough that they push shooters with my requirements to need the R5. I'm sure they knew if the R6 had 30MP it would cannibalize a lot of R5 sales.
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" the R was a better camera with its 30mp, great AF, better price, and still mounted RF glass. "
ZX11 I see nothing to back your claim. You dont list your camera bodies so?
I have and use both the R and R6 and no 30mp does NOT make the R a better camera by itself. I use them for two different things. The R for landscapes/ portraits and the R6 for things that move and its a MUST for things that move fast. As far the 20-30mp difference, taking the same pic on with each camera on tripod with remote release I had to goto 100% to see the difference. I use two Asus ProArt 24" monitors at 1920 by 1200. The thing that can be a problem with the R6 is you MUST do your composition in camera and not in post. You cant just be a SNAPPER and never stop to THINK about the picture and composition. Also the comment about the R focus being better is a total joke for moving subjects.
ZX11 I see nothing to back your claim. You dont list your camera bodies so?
I have and use both the R and R6 and no 30mp does NOT make the R a better camera by itself. I use them for two different things. The R for landscapes/ portraits and the R6 for things that move and its a MUST for things that move fast. As far the 20-30mp difference, taking the same pic on with each camera on tripod with remote release I had to goto 100% to see the difference. I use two Asus ProArt 24" monitors at 1920 by 1200. The thing that can be a problem with the R6 is you MUST do your composition in camera and not in post. You cant just be a SNAPPER and never stop to THINK about the picture and composition. Also the comment about the R focus being better is a total joke for moving subjects.
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Well.... it's strange to call one better than the other, as there are different strengths. However, the R does provide more detail, especially when using sharp glass.
That's moderate pixel peeping, not hardcore.
Well, more resolution isn't beneficial only for doing composition in post.
The comment said great. Not better.
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Is it strawman when you edit the quote so it says a different thing (that is easier to tear down)?davel33 said:
Here is the quote you edited: "If you weren't an expert, and even for many experts, the R was a better camera with its 30mp, great AF, better price, and still mounted RF glass."
Quoting you: "The thing that can be a problem with the R6 is you MUST do your composition in camera and not in post. You cant just be a SNAPPER and never stop to THINK about the picture and composition." Your point argues with me that if you weren't an expert (at composition or thinking about the picture),...the R is a better camera.
It is also strawman to pretend I claimed the R had better AF when all I claimed is the R has great AF. It does have great AF.
The R6 has better/faster AF and better automatic subject tracking in the frame for the photographer. Who cares. A bit better AF, versus the already great AF of most all mirrorless cameras, is a pretty useless feature. Useless for most photographers not on a sports field.
My camera body that does the job and has a sensor I love, when I could easily get the R5 (I'm not a pro needing IBIS or dual card slots) or action sports R6:
Running family kids, dog, or horse, is all the action sports I do. So I need an R6? No.
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KEG
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One of my all time favorite cameras.
Arthur Stanley Jefferson
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I totally agree with your comments, there is definitely a space in between the Canon R5 and R6, ….but are Canon bothered to fill it with yet another model range? Now I think they definitely won’t slot something in there….but a 32mp body is coming….I’ll explain….
I don’t think we’ll see a 32mp FF body until the R6mk3 and also a budget 20+ Mp FF R body are released together. Dual releases are a clever marketing strategy and one I predicted with the dual release of the R7/R10 many months before it happened.
The 20+mp, lower spec, lower priced entry level body (let’s call it an R600?) will bump the new improved 32mp R6 mk3 higher up the range.
Canons current marketing logic will result in the following lineup announcements*,
R50 - compact apsc (Spring 2023)
R5mk2 (R5s) - 60+ mp, slight bump in feature set, studio landscape model (Spring 2023)
R1- 60+ mp, quad pixel af, stacked sensor, top build quality, fast flagship (Summer 2023)
R3mk2 - 32mp, quad pixel af, stacked sensor, top build quality, fast, action camera (Fall 2023/Spring 2024)
R600- 20+ mp, much slower and more limited features than the R6mk2 (Spring 2024)
R6mk3 - 32mp full frame, bsi sensor (Spring 2024)
*- (subject to world chaos!)
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I didn't see the rapid introduction of the R6II coming, so I don't predict anything. For the R5 I wonder if they just wouldn't recycle the sensor for the R5II. That was my prediction anyway, but given how fast that 20Mp R6 sensor is running out of production not everything might be that predictable, at least not for me.
gipper51
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My wild-ass-guess prediction came true ahead of schedule. Looking at FredMiranda for-sale forums, the going rate for the R6 is now $1500-1700.
Yep folks, good time to snatch up a lightly used R6.
Steven Aunan
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For what it worth, last week I paid $1889 for a refurbished R6 body from Canon, and today the price is $2069.
Hi Steven,
Just out of curiosity what was the shutter count on the refurbished R6. I bought a refurbished Z camera from Nikon and it was brand new - 0 shutter count.
Steven Aunan
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I'm getting the camera on Monday and will post again here when I find out.
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