Build quality concerns over Canon RF L lenses - valid?

It’s not “cheap plastic” - it’s no less precisely made, and it has some advantages. Won’t dent if dropped, won’t show silver marks if scratched, is more stable thermally, doesn’t corrode - and presumably tolerates getting wet better than metal. If lubricant dries out, you won’t get metal-metal wear. The internal moving surfaces of many older lenses were already plastic. Also it’s lighter (matters when travelling, hiking etc). Why exactly are you worried - is it just the perceived “feel” or a specific engineering issue?
I agree with drsnoopy. Plastics have lots of merits and some are actually more expensive to use than metal. They vary a lot in properties but one one important one for lenses is they are resilient to permanent deformation when dropped and moreover one cannot overlook the benefits of being light. They have drawbacks as well and thickness requirements many one of them.

It is simplest to think of them as cheap plastic junk or second rate without knowing their benefit and/or doing all the kinds of actual product prototype testing that Canon does.
 
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It’s not “cheap plastic” - it’s no less precisely made, and it has some advantages. Won’t dent if dropped, won’t show silver marks if scratched, is more stable thermally, doesn’t corrode - and presumably tolerates getting wet better than metal. If lubricant dries out, you won’t get metal-metal wear. The internal moving surfaces of many older lenses were already plastic. Also it’s lighter (matters when travelling, hiking etc). Why exactly are you worried - is it just the perceived “feel” or a specific engineering issue?
I agree with drsnoopy. Plastics have lots of merits and some are actually more expensive to use than metal. They vary a lot in properties but one one important one for lenses is they are resilient to permanent deformation when dropped and moreover one cannot overlook the benefits of being light. They have drawbacks as well and thickness requirements many one of them.

It is simplest to think of them as cheap plastic junk or second rate without knowing their benefit and/or doing all the kinds of actual product prototype testing that Canon does.
and what choices did Canon make for their RF1200mm f/8, RF800mm f/5.6, 600mm f/4 and 400mm f/2.8 ?

Surely these big lenses are where the structural properties of metals v plastics would be most important

Peter
 
It’s not “cheap plastic” - it’s no less precisely made, and it has some advantages. Won’t dent if dropped, won’t show silver marks if scratched, is more stable thermally, doesn’t corrode - and presumably tolerates getting wet better than metal. If lubricant dries out, you won’t get metal-metal wear. The internal moving surfaces of many older lenses were already plastic. Also it’s lighter (matters when travelling, hiking etc). Why exactly are you worried - is it just the perceived “feel” or a specific engineering issue?
I agree with drsnoopy. Plastics have lots of merits and some are actually more expensive to use than metal. They vary a lot in properties but one one important one for lenses is they are resilient to permanent deformation when dropped and moreover one cannot overlook the benefits of being light. They have drawbacks as well and thickness requirements many one of them.

It is simplest to think of them as cheap plastic junk or second rate without knowing their benefit and/or doing all the kinds of actual product prototype testing that Canon does.
and what choices did Canon make for their RF1200mm f/8, RF800mm f/5.6, 600mm f/4 and 400mm f/2.8 ?

Surely these big lenses are where the structural properties of metals v plastics would be most important

Peter
Perhaps. I do not know the answer to that as production volume and scale matters in which is the "best" choice of material for an application. No one but Canon knows why they chose a particular alternative. There are no universally better material choices. It depends is the best answer. Ultimately, the goal of seller is to have the largest sales volume and profit. Many times it takes several years to arrive at the final solution. Not all products are equal in their requirements.
 
It’s not “cheap plastic” - it’s no less precisely made, and it has some advantages. Won’t dent if dropped, won’t show silver marks if scratched, is more stable thermally, doesn’t corrode - and presumably tolerates getting wet better than metal. If lubricant dries out, you won’t get metal-metal wear. The internal moving surfaces of many older lenses were already plastic. Also it’s lighter (matters when travelling, hiking etc). Why exactly are you worried - is it just the perceived “feel” or a specific engineering issue?
All you talked has nothing to do with the reason Canon uses more plastic to make RF lens.

No.

The only reason is, it's cheaper.

Plastic is always cheap option to metal when it comes to material selection of industrial product design unless for optical transparency or electric insulation.
Have you ever compared the price, weight, toughness and stiffness of a carbon fibre reinforced plastic tripod with an aluminium alloy one?
Someone say plastic is light. No, it's heavier than metal if measured with same strength since plastic has to be thicker.
But polycarbonate is less than half the density of aluminium, which in turn is a third of the density of steel. Metal hasn't a huge advantage over polycarbonate for bending strength and stiffness, especially if the polycarbonate is reinforced with fibres.
The reduced weight of the lens is from less glass elements design, not the plastic barrel. If a plastic lens is really light ( oops as plastic :-) ), it means compromising.
All engineering is compromising between cost, weight, strength, stiffness, precision, stability, durability and constructibility.
The only good reason to use more plastic is to keep this industry alive. We need to keep buying/upgrading the camera and lens to like how we do to our smartphones.

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Nothing lasts forever.
You must be lawyer. You talk for your clients not the justice.

And you have no working experience on material, LOL.
Yeah, my next surfboard will be aluminum. And I was stupid to pay more money for a carbon bike frame vs an aluminum frame (by the way I also love retro steel frames, but low weight is not their strength).
 
It’s not “cheap plastic” - it’s no less precisely made, and it has some advantages. Won’t dent if dropped, won’t show silver marks if scratched, is more stable thermally, doesn’t corrode - and presumably tolerates getting wet better than metal. If lubricant dries out, you won’t get metal-metal wear. The internal moving surfaces of many older lenses were already plastic. Also it’s lighter (matters when travelling, hiking etc). Why exactly are you worried - is it just the perceived “feel” or a specific engineering issue?
All you talked has nothing to do with the reason Canon uses more plastic to make RF lens.

No.

The only reason is, it's cheaper.

Plastic is always cheap option to metal when it comes to material selection of industrial product design unless for optical transparency or electric insulation.
Have you ever compared the price, weight, toughness and stiffness of a carbon fibre reinforced plastic tripod with an aluminium alloy one?
Someone say plastic is light. No, it's heavier than metal if measured with same strength since plastic has to be thicker.
But polycarbonate is less than half the density of aluminium, which in turn is a third of the density of steel. Metal hasn't a huge advantage over polycarbonate for bending strength and stiffness, especially if the polycarbonate is reinforced with fibres.
The reduced weight of the lens is from less glass elements design, not the plastic barrel. If a plastic lens is really light ( oops as plastic :-) ), it means compromising.
All engineering is compromising between cost, weight, strength, stiffness, precision, stability, durability and constructibility.
The only good reason to use more plastic is to keep this industry alive. We need to keep buying/upgrading the camera and lens to like how we do to our smartphones.

4a1a5cbf791f4a54ab6a1af5678f70b6.jpg

Nothing lasts forever.
You must be lawyer. You talk for your clients not the justice.

And you have no working experience on material, LOL.
Yeah, my next surfboard will be aluminum. And I was stupid to pay more money for a carbon bike frame vs an aluminum frame (by the way I also love retro steel frames, but low weight is not their strength).
Lenses are carbon fiber? Really?
 
IMO we don't know about build quality after we have used those new lenses for some years.

On my part I have a pretty good feeling. Owning the 2470/24105/70200/100500.

The rf70200 is retracting design vs the EF version, so it might suck more dust, depending on the sealing. I have not run in to any problem so far. I love the smaller size and weight of the 70200rf/2.8. Same true for the 100-500, which is more useful range than 100400 IMO.

The rf2470 feels very solid.

I do not have the impression the lenses sacrifice in build quality vs the ef lenses.
 
It’s not “cheap plastic” - it’s no less precisely made, and it has some advantages. Won’t dent if dropped, won’t show silver marks if scratched, is more stable thermally, doesn’t corrode - and presumably tolerates getting wet better than metal. If lubricant dries out, you won’t get metal-metal wear. The internal moving surfaces of many older lenses were already plastic. Also it’s lighter (matters when travelling, hiking etc). Why exactly are you worried - is it just the perceived “feel” or a specific engineering issue?
All you talked has nothing to do with the reason Canon uses more plastic to make RF lens.

No.

The only reason is, it's cheaper.

Plastic is always cheap option to metal when it comes to material selection of industrial product design unless for optical transparency or electric insulation.
Have you ever compared the price, weight, toughness and stiffness of a carbon fibre reinforced plastic tripod with an aluminium alloy one?
Someone say plastic is light. No, it's heavier than metal if measured with same strength since plastic has to be thicker.
But polycarbonate is less than half the density of aluminium, which in turn is a third of the density of steel. Metal hasn't a huge advantage over polycarbonate for bending strength and stiffness, especially if the polycarbonate is reinforced with fibres.
The reduced weight of the lens is from less glass elements design, not the plastic barrel. If a plastic lens is really light ( oops as plastic :-) ), it means compromising.
All engineering is compromising between cost, weight, strength, stiffness, precision, stability, durability and constructibility.
The only good reason to use more plastic is to keep this industry alive. We need to keep buying/upgrading the camera and lens to like how we do to our smartphones.

4a1a5cbf791f4a54ab6a1af5678f70b6.jpg

Nothing lasts forever.
You must be lawyer. You talk for your clients not the justice.

And you have no working experience on material, LOL.
Yeah, my next surfboard will be aluminum. And I was stupid to pay more money for a carbon bike frame vs an aluminum frame (by the way I also love retro steel frames, but low weight is not their strength).
Lenses are carbon fiber? Really?
their is not just metal, plastic and carbon fiber. There are thousands of different material mixes and I doubt anybody knows the details about Canon lenses besides Canon engineers. So it is not just "plastic vs metal".

Carbon fiber is just one material of a mix in case of surfboards or bike frames. Like putting steel structures in cement.

I wanted to point out that there are many more material properties besides cost and weight and strength, and that's why the choice of material depends a lot on the specific requirements for a specific part of a lens (or bike or car or whatever). It is just not right that metal is always the better choice.
 
I am considering adding a Canon R5 C to my current setup (A7S III), and one thing that concerns me a little is the value proposition and build quality of the RF lens ecosystem.

With the RF lens lineup, it seems everything is both more expensive, with unnoticeable IQ improvements over the EF lens, and with worse build quality on the L lineup: all plastic, no metal; as compared to the EF L series which feature sturdy metal construction. Most of the RF lens seem to also rely heavily on camera correction, with significant barrel distortion which reduces IQ on corners.

Compared to the Sony E-mount, I can get quality zooms from Sigma, with incredible image quality and a solid, metal construction.

Should I be concerned about the plasticy build quality of the RF lens system? I simply don't think a multi-thousand dollar lens should be made of plastic. While I take care of my equipment, with years of use, drops and accidents happen.
The new lenses use a polycarbonate shell with a very solid core. Canon engineering has never been more robust, according to Roger Cicala, who takes apart lenses from all manufacturers. The polycarbonate shell takes a hit better while the strong core and strong screws are where the real strength of the lens is. Wanting a metal skinned lens just for your own perception of strength is like a wanting a loud muffler because you think it makes your car fast. It's speaking from a place of complete ignorance of the engineering involved and the WHY behind that engineering.

Don't believe me? Take these quotes from Roger Cicala in his teardowns of the EF 35mm 1.4L II and the RF 70-200mm 2.8L IS:

From the EF 35mm 1.4L II Teardown: Lens Rentals | Blog

"The more important part the thick gray barrel of this lens. That’s heavy gauge metal. All the pieces of lenses we’ve removed attach to this heavy metal center barrel. This is unusual, but it’s so logical I want to weep with joy just for having seen it. I have rolled my eyes for years when people say a lens is “Built like a tank” because it has a heavy metal shell. Then we open it up and see the insides are tiny little screws and weak nylon collars set in thin sheet metal helicoids. That kind of ‘built like a tank’ is probably useful if you want your lens to stop a bullet, but doesn’t make the lens reliable.

This is my kind of built like a tank. There is a flexible polycarbonate shell over a very solid metal core with really heavy-duty rollers, screws, and bearings. That’s a logical way to build things; make the core the strongest part, not the shell. It sounds so simple, but like I said, this is the first time we’ve ever seen this kind of construction in a prime lens of standard focal length. We take apart A LOT of lenses (we passed 20,000 in-house repairs some time ago) and this is the most impressively built prime I’ve seen. This is an engineer’s lens."


From the RF 70-200 f2.8L IS Teardown: Lens Rentals | Blog

"It’s obviously very robustly engineered from a mechanical standpoint. The internal composites are strong as hell. There are double cams, rods, and posts everywhere. There’s no play in any moving parts. We can’t imagine there will ever be play in the moving parts unless you run over it with a truck. You could describe it as ruggedized, but I’m going to stick with Strong, Like Bull, and suggest we refer to this as the RF-SLB 70-200mm f/2.8 from now on.

...

There are some of you who are going to scream about how you want metal lenses. OK, Boomer, go get you a metal lens and show us how strong you are. On every other 70-200mm lenses we’ve disassembled, there are multiple metal parts that we can bend with our fingers. There’s not a damn thing we can bend with our fingers in this bad boy. This is going to hold up better than a metal lens, it’s probably sturdier, and it weighs far less."
 
I am considering adding a Canon R5 C to my current setup (A7S III), and one thing that concerns me a little is the value proposition and build quality of the RF lens ecosystem.

With the RF lens lineup, it seems everything is both more expensive, with unnoticeable IQ improvements over the EF lens, and with worse build quality on the L lineup: all plastic, no metal; as compared to the EF L series which feature sturdy metal construction. Most of the RF lens seem to also rely heavily on camera correction, with significant barrel distortion which reduces IQ on corners.

Compared to the Sony E-mount, I can get quality zooms from Sigma, with incredible image quality and a solid, metal construction.

Should I be concerned about the plasticy build quality of the RF lens system? I simply don't think a multi-thousand dollar lens should be made of plastic. While I take care of my equipment, with years of use, drops and accidents happen.
The new lenses use a polycarbonate shell with a very solid core. Canon engineering has never been more robust, according to Roger Cicala, who takes apart lenses from all manufacturers. The polycarbonate shell takes a hit better while the strong core and strong screws are where the real strength of the lens is.
I completely agree with you about the build construction of these RF lenses. Love them. No worries.
Wanting a metal skinned lens just for your own perception of strength is like a wanting a loud muffler because you think it makes your car fast.
Psssst. Except I wouldn't use this as an example, as the fluid dynamics of internal combustion (ie efficiency) do in fact favor loud (or no) mufflers. ;-)
It's speaking from a place of complete ignorance of the engineering involved and the WHY behind that engineering.

Don't believe me? Take these quotes from Roger Cicala in his teardowns of the EF 35mm 1.4L II and the RF 70-200mm 2.8L IS:

From the EF 35mm 1.4L II Teardown: Lens Rentals | Blog

"The more important part the thick gray barrel of this lens. That’s heavy gauge metal. All the pieces of lenses we’ve removed attach to this heavy metal center barrel. This is unusual, but it’s so logical I want to weep with joy just for having seen it. I have rolled my eyes for years when people say a lens is “Built like a tank” because it has a heavy metal shell. Then we open it up and see the insides are tiny little screws and weak nylon collars set in thin sheet metal helicoids. That kind of ‘built like a tank’ is probably useful if you want your lens to stop a bullet, but doesn’t make the lens reliable.

This is my kind of built like a tank. There is a flexible polycarbonate shell over a very solid metal core with really heavy-duty rollers, screws, and bearings. That’s a logical way to build things; make the core the strongest part, not the shell. It sounds so simple, but like I said, this is the first time we’ve ever seen this kind of construction in a prime lens of standard focal length. We take apart A LOT of lenses (we passed 20,000 in-house repairs some time ago) and this is the most impressively built prime I’ve seen. This is an engineer’s lens."


From the RF 70-200 f2.8L IS Teardown: Lens Rentals | Blog

"It’s obviously very robustly engineered from a mechanical standpoint. The internal composites are strong as hell. There are double cams, rods, and posts everywhere. There’s no play in any moving parts. We can’t imagine there will ever be play in the moving parts unless you run over it with a truck. You could describe it as ruggedized, but I’m going to stick with Strong, Like Bull, and suggest we refer to this as the RF-SLB 70-200mm f/2.8 from now on.

...

There are some of you who are going to scream about how you want metal lenses. OK, Boomer, go get you a metal lens and show us how strong you are. On every other 70-200mm lenses we’ve disassembled, there are multiple metal parts that we can bend with our fingers. There’s not a damn thing we can bend with our fingers in this bad boy. This is going to hold up better than a metal lens, it’s probably sturdier, and it weighs far less."
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Yeah, my next surfboard will be aluminum. And I was stupid to pay more money for a carbon bike frame vs an aluminum frame (by the way I also love retro steel frames, but low weight is not their strength).
I was going to point out the bicycle example. Back when I was an avid road cyclist, aluminum was the best I could afford...but it was not the best. Titanium, graphite, and carbon fiber were new...and breath-takingly expensive.

There were some pro-quality high-zoot light-weight steel bikes, but they folded like pretzels in a crash.
 
I am considering adding a Canon R5 C to my current setup (A7S III), and one thing that concerns me a little is the value proposition and build quality of the RF lens ecosystem.

With the RF lens lineup, it seems everything is both more expensive, with unnoticeable IQ improvements over the EF lens, and with worse build quality on the L lineup: all plastic, no metal; as compared to the EF L series which feature sturdy metal construction. Most of the RF lens seem to also rely heavily on camera correction, with significant barrel distortion which reduces IQ on corners.

Compared to the Sony E-mount, I can get quality zooms from Sigma, with incredible image quality and a solid, metal construction.

Should I be concerned about the plasticy build quality of the RF lens system? I simply don't think a multi-thousand dollar lens should be made of plastic. While I take care of my equipment, with years of use, drops and accidents happen.
The new lenses use a polycarbonate shell with a very solid core. Canon engineering has never been more robust, according to Roger Cicala, who takes apart lenses from all manufacturers. The polycarbonate shell takes a hit better while the strong core and strong screws are where the real strength of the lens is.
I completely agree with you about the build construction of these RF lenses. Love them. No worries.
Wanting a metal skinned lens just for your own perception of strength is like a wanting a loud muffler because you think it makes your car fast.
Psssst. Except I wouldn't use this as an example, as the fluid dynamics of internal combustion (ie efficiency) do in fact favor loud (or no) mufflers. ;-)
I thought flowing more air through a modern engine left it lean, making less power, and backfiring on deceleration. Or, do you mean when they put loud mufflers on (cheap) and install a remappable fuel injection system (expensive) or piggyback and do a bunch of dyno runs to tune it. More fuel to match the extra fluid dynamics and keep the mixture right.

Besides, modern motors are pretty lean anyway to pass emissions. Louder mufflers just make the problem worse. I think that is what the other R#D# guy meant. But those mufflers do sound powerful.
 
I am considering adding a Canon R5 C to my current setup (A7S III), and one thing that concerns me a little is the value proposition and build quality of the RF lens ecosystem.

With the RF lens lineup, it seems everything is both more expensive, with unnoticeable IQ improvements over the EF lens, and with worse build quality on the L lineup: all plastic, no metal; as compared to the EF L series which feature sturdy metal construction. Most of the RF lens seem to also rely heavily on camera correction, with significant barrel distortion which reduces IQ on corners.

Compared to the Sony E-mount, I can get quality zooms from Sigma, with incredible image quality and a solid, metal construction.

Should I be concerned about the plasticy build quality of the RF lens system? I simply don't think a multi-thousand dollar lens should be made of plastic. While I take care of my equipment, with years of use, drops and accidents happen.
The new lenses use a polycarbonate shell with a very solid core. Canon engineering has never been more robust, according to Roger Cicala, who takes apart lenses from all manufacturers. The polycarbonate shell takes a hit better while the strong core and strong screws are where the real strength of the lens is.
I completely agree with you about the build construction of these RF lenses. Love them. No worries.
Wanting a metal skinned lens just for your own perception of strength is like a wanting a loud muffler because you think it makes your car fast.
Psssst. Except I wouldn't use this as an example, as the fluid dynamics of internal combustion (ie efficiency) do in fact favor loud (or no) mufflers. ;-)
I thought flowing more air through a modern engine left it lean, making less power, and backfiring on deceleration. Or, do you mean when they put loud mufflers on (cheap) and install a remappable fuel injection system (expensive) or piggyback and do a bunch of dyno runs to tune it. More fuel to match the extra fluid dynamics and keep the mixture right.

Besides, modern motors are pretty lean anyway to pass emissions. Louder mufflers just make the problem worse. I think that is what the other R#D# guy meant. But those mufflers do sound powerful.
No muffler means less back-pressure. More horsepower!!! :-D

Fastest cars on the planet...

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-racing/motorsports/top-fuel-dragster3.htm

R2
 
I am considering adding a Canon R5 C to my current setup (A7S III), and one thing that concerns me a little is the value proposition and build quality of the RF lens ecosystem.

With the RF lens lineup, it seems everything is both more expensive, with unnoticeable IQ improvements over the EF lens, and with worse build quality on the L lineup: all plastic, no metal; as compared to the EF L series which feature sturdy metal construction. Most of the RF lens seem to also rely heavily on camera correction, with significant barrel distortion which reduces IQ on corners.

Compared to the Sony E-mount, I can get quality zooms from Sigma, with incredible image quality and a solid, metal construction.

Should I be concerned about the plasticy build quality of the RF lens system? I simply don't think a multi-thousand dollar lens should be made of plastic. While I take care of my equipment, with years of use, drops and accidents happen.
The new lenses use a polycarbonate shell with a very solid core. Canon engineering has never been more robust, according to Roger Cicala, who takes apart lenses from all manufacturers. The polycarbonate shell takes a hit better while the strong core and strong screws are where the real strength of the lens is.
I completely agree with you about the build construction of these RF lenses. Love them. No worries.
Wanting a metal skinned lens just for your own perception of strength is like a wanting a loud muffler because you think it makes your car fast.
Psssst. Except I wouldn't use this as an example, as the fluid dynamics of internal combustion (ie efficiency) do in fact favor loud (or no) mufflers. ;-)
I thought flowing more air through a modern engine left it lean, making less power, and backfiring on deceleration. Or, do you mean when they put loud mufflers on (cheap) and install a remappable fuel injection system (expensive) or piggyback and do a bunch of dyno runs to tune it. More fuel to match the extra fluid dynamics and keep the mixture right.

Besides, modern motors are pretty lean anyway to pass emissions. Louder mufflers just make the problem worse. I think that is what the other R#D# guy meant. But those mufflers do sound powerful.
No muffler means less back-pressure. More horsepower!!! :-D

Fastest cars on the planet...

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-racing/motorsports/top-fuel-dragster3.htm

R2
I thought high end electric cars were starting to beat internal combustion engines.
 
If care is used plastic can last a long time. But, if in an aggressive situation (press release, celebrity event, congress) those tiny mounting screws hold better in metal. Ergo, when said "this experience will test its metal" they didn't mean PLASTIC !
 
If care is used plastic can last a long time. But, if in an aggressive situation (press release, celebrity event, congress) those tiny mounting screws hold better in metal. Ergo, when said "this experience will test its metal" they didn't mean PLASTIC !
mettle

inherent quality of character; fortitude; courage

Not to be confused with:

metal – a hard substance such as gold, silver, or copper
 
If care is used plastic can last a long time. But, if in an aggressive situation (press release, celebrity event, congress) those tiny mounting screws hold better in metal. Ergo, when said "this experience will test its metal" they didn't mean PLASTIC !
mettle

inherent quality of character; fortitude; courage

Not to be confused with:

metal – a hard substance such as gold, silver, or copper
Haha. This reminded me of this:

"It's time to race the music." -Biff Tannen
 
I am considering adding a Canon R5 C to my current setup (A7S III), and one thing that concerns me a little is the value proposition and build quality of the RF lens ecosystem.

With the RF lens lineup, it seems everything is both more expensive, with unnoticeable IQ improvements over the EF lens, and with worse build quality on the L lineup: all plastic, no metal; as compared to the EF L series which feature sturdy metal construction. Most of the RF lens seem to also rely heavily on camera correction, with significant barrel distortion which reduces IQ on corners.

Compared to the Sony E-mount, I can get quality zooms from Sigma, with incredible image quality and a solid, metal construction.

Should I be concerned about the plasticy build quality of the RF lens system? I simply don't think a multi-thousand dollar lens should be made of plastic. While I take care of my equipment, with years of use, drops and accidents happen.
The new lenses use a polycarbonate shell with a very solid core. Canon engineering has never been more robust, according to Roger Cicala, who takes apart lenses from all manufacturers. The polycarbonate shell takes a hit better while the strong core and strong screws are where the real strength of the lens is.
I completely agree with you about the build construction of these RF lenses. Love them. No worries.
Wanting a metal skinned lens just for your own perception of strength is like a wanting a loud muffler because you think it makes your car fast.
Psssst. Except I wouldn't use this as an example, as the fluid dynamics of internal combustion (ie efficiency) do in fact favor loud (or no) mufflers. ;-)
I thought flowing more air through a modern engine left it lean, making less power, and backfiring on deceleration. Or, do you mean when they put loud mufflers on (cheap) and install a remappable fuel injection system (expensive) or piggyback and do a bunch of dyno runs to tune it. More fuel to match the extra fluid dynamics and keep the mixture right.

Besides, modern motors are pretty lean anyway to pass emissions. Louder mufflers just make the problem worse. I think that is what the other R#D# guy meant. But those mufflers do sound powerful.
No muffler means less back-pressure. More horsepower!!! :-D

Fastest cars on the planet...

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-racing/motorsports/top-fuel-dragster3.htm

R2
I thought high end electric cars were starting to beat internal combustion engines.
Indeed, no muffler needed! :-D Who knew all those horsies could be so quiet?! ;-)

R2

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Good judgment comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgment.
 
I am considering adding a Canon R5 C to my current setup (A7S III), and one thing that concerns me a little is the value proposition and build quality of the RF lens ecosystem.

With the RF lens lineup, it seems everything is both more expensive, with unnoticeable IQ improvements over the EF lens, and with worse build quality on the L lineup: all plastic, no metal; as compared to the EF L series which feature sturdy metal construction. Most of the RF lens seem to also rely heavily on camera correction, with significant barrel distortion which reduces IQ on corners.

Compared to the Sony E-mount, I can get quality zooms from Sigma, with incredible image quality and a solid, metal construction.

Should I be concerned about the plasticy build quality of the RF lens system? I simply don't think a multi-thousand dollar lens should be made of plastic. While I take care of my equipment, with years of use, drops and accidents happen.
The new lenses use a polycarbonate shell with a very solid core. Canon engineering has never been more robust, according to Roger Cicala, who takes apart lenses from all manufacturers. The polycarbonate shell takes a hit better while the strong core and strong screws are where the real strength of the lens is.
I completely agree with you about the build construction of these RF lenses. Love them. No worries.
Wanting a metal skinned lens just for your own perception of strength is like a wanting a loud muffler because you think it makes your car fast.
Psssst. Except I wouldn't use this as an example, as the fluid dynamics of internal combustion (ie efficiency) do in fact favor loud (or no) mufflers. ;-)
I thought flowing more air through a modern engine left it lean, making less power, and backfiring on deceleration. Or, do you mean when they put loud mufflers on (cheap) and install a remappable fuel injection system (expensive) or piggyback and do a bunch of dyno runs to tune it. More fuel to match the extra fluid dynamics and keep the mixture right.

Besides, modern motors are pretty lean anyway to pass emissions. Louder mufflers just make the problem worse. I think that is what the other R#D# guy meant. But those mufflers do sound powerful.
No muffler means less back-pressure. More horsepower!!! :-D

Fastest cars on the planet...

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-racing/motorsports/top-fuel-dragster3.htm

R2
I thought high end electric cars were starting to beat internal combustion engines.
Indeed, no muffler needed! :-D Who knew all those horsies could be so quiet?! ;-)

R2
Mufflers add weight but with todays tech batteries aren't light. Maybe not today but they are getting there.

https://mashable.com/article/fastest-electric-cars

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Don't Look Up! The very fabric of captured light is noise.
 
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Actually if we're "pixel peeping" (lol) Au or gold is quite malleable. That property, known for centuries, has resulted in the the application of gold leaf to many things we love to photograph. I applaud those who caught my wordplay and accept the flogging (albeit with a plastic whip, LOL).
 

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