wow wow wow wait a second - did Canon just overtake Sony?

hjs_koeln said:

Mr_Win said:

hjs_koeln said:

mattviki said:

IMO: now that Canon banned 3rd party lenses for the RF line, it could do 1000 fps and I wouldn't care...

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Indeed, looks like a colossal mistake on Canon´s part. Besides that though, Canon does have very interesting stuff released and planned, plus Sony has plenty to worry about what Fuji is currently doing in the APS-C segment.

There´s a common denominator between both: New imaging sensors - or the lack thereof. If Sony is making the same mistake Canon did a while ago, there will be a price to pay.

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Sony is going their own way, they just released the FX30. They had a trio of ultra wide lenses not long ago, they clearly have a vision and it’s quite different than Fuji.
Heck, Fuji Ida back to using the tilt screen.

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What´s causing me trouble is a) that I do not see which way that is currently, and b) Sony having changed direction in mid course.

If a particular manufacturer no longer caters to my priorities in photography, every option is on the table. After having used Macs for 25 years, the fact that Apple completely ignores the convertible/2-in-1 segment means my next computer will be running on Windows.

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tqlla said:

joger said:

georgehakim said:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

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in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

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A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

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alantan said:

MILC man said:

alantan said:

the stacked sensor of a9 is literally super old tech… I just think Sony is not doing enough and Canon has caught up.

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no, this r6mk2 has an unstacked sensor, it has much slower readout speed than the a9, it can't track and stay locked on nearly as well as that "super old tech" from sony.

the only canon camera that has comparable tracking to the a9 is the r3.

the new fuji h2s has similar readout speeds to the a9; it took fuji five years to catch up, but they haven't been able to surpass what sony did years ago.

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For me it all depends on how bad the rolling shutter is on stills. If they can do 40 fps, the readout can’t be that slow, unless they start the next shot before the previous is done… I doubt it though.

if the e shutter is useable in the r6ii with acceptable rolling shutter, it’s a huge win in my books. It’s a big help outdoors

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SilvanBromide said:

hjs_koeln said:

Mr_Win said:

hjs_koeln said:

mattviki said:

IMO: now that Canon banned 3rd party lenses for the RF line, it could do 1000 fps and I wouldn't care...

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Indeed, looks like a colossal mistake on Canon´s part. Besides that though, Canon does have very interesting stuff released and planned, plus Sony has plenty to worry about what Fuji is currently doing in the APS-C segment.

There´s a common denominator between both: New imaging sensors - or the lack thereof. If Sony is making the same mistake Canon did a while ago, there will be a price to pay.

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Sony is going their own way, they just released the FX30. They had a trio of ultra wide lenses not long ago, they clearly have a vision and it’s quite different than Fuji.
Heck, Fuji Ida back to using the tilt screen.

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What´s causing me trouble is a) that I do not see which way that is currently, and b) Sony having changed direction in mid course.

If a particular manufacturer no longer caters to my priorities in photography, every option is on the table. After having used Macs for 25 years, the fact that Apple completely ignores the convertible/2-in-1 segment means my next computer will be running on Windows.

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I don't think Sony has "changed direction" as such. Quite the contrary. They appear to be pursuing their vision with a vengeance while broadening the scope of their offerings as their market presence gathers more and more momentum. It seems pretty clear that that was always their strategy and it is simply gathering more steam as time passes.

The original push for innovation and market-leading optics is still there. The focus on consolidation of features and tech in the a7Rv is very much like what they did with the a7Riii five years ago. Same thinking and similar result - a mature and very interesting offering in every respect except the lack of a resolution bump.

From the outset of the NEX and a7 lines, Sony have been experimenting with ever-greater integration of video capabilities, and that leads to their current trajectory (and beyond). Everything from their lens roadmap to their tech strategy supports the direction they have been moving, and I don't see that slowing (or materially changing) any time soon.

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hjs_koeln said:

SilvanBromide said:

hjs_koeln said:

Mr_Win said:

hjs_koeln said:

mattviki said:

IMO: now that Canon banned 3rd party lenses for the RF line, it could do 1000 fps and I wouldn't care...

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Indeed, looks like a colossal mistake on Canon´s part. Besides that though, Canon does have very interesting stuff released and planned, plus Sony has plenty to worry about what Fuji is currently doing in the APS-C segment.

There´s a common denominator between both: New imaging sensors - or the lack thereof. If Sony is making the same mistake Canon did a while ago, there will be a price to pay.

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Sony is going their own way, they just released the FX30. They had a trio of ultra wide lenses not long ago, they clearly have a vision and it’s quite different than Fuji.
Heck, Fuji Ida back to using the tilt screen.

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What´s causing me trouble is a) that I do not see which way that is currently, and b) Sony having changed direction in mid course.

If a particular manufacturer no longer caters to my priorities in photography, every option is on the table. After having used Macs for 25 years, the fact that Apple completely ignores the convertible/2-in-1 segment means my next computer will be running on Windows.

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I don't think Sony has "changed direction" as such. Quite the contrary. They appear to be pursuing their vision with a vengeance while broadening the scope of their offerings as their market presence gathers more and more momentum. It seems pretty clear that that was always their strategy and it is simply gathering more steam as time passes.

The original push for innovation and market-leading optics is still there. The focus on consolidation of features and tech in the a7Rv is very much like what they did with the a7Riii five years ago. Same thinking and similar result - a mature and very interesting offering in every respect except the lack of a resolution bump.

From the outset of the NEX and a7 lines, Sony have been experimenting with ever-greater integration of video capabilities, and that leads to their current trajectory (and beyond). Everything from their lens roadmap to their tech strategy supports the direction they have been moving, and I don't see that slowing (or materially changing) any time soon.

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Replace "resolution bump" with "new sensor development", then this points to the potential main problem IMO. Andrea from SAR predicts we shouldn´t hold our breaths for more MPs in the future, and I believe he has his reasons. Committing to the current upper limit in MPs means less incentive to design new sensors.

The change in direction seems more consolidation and less innovation, and dilution of existing product categories.

I don´t see any direction in what Sony seems up to right now. I´ll be happy to be shown otherwise by convincing products.

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SilvanBromide said:

hjs_koeln said:

SilvanBromide said:

hjs_koeln said:

Mr_Win said:

hjs_koeln said:

mattviki said:

IMO: now that Canon banned 3rd party lenses for the RF line, it could do 1000 fps and I wouldn't care...

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Indeed, looks like a colossal mistake on Canon´s part. Besides that though, Canon does have very interesting stuff released and planned, plus Sony has plenty to worry about what Fuji is currently doing in the APS-C segment.

There´s a common denominator between both: New imaging sensors - or the lack thereof. If Sony is making the same mistake Canon did a while ago, there will be a price to pay.

Click to expand...

Sony is going their own way, they just released the FX30. They had a trio of ultra wide lenses not long ago, they clearly have a vision and it’s quite different than Fuji.
Heck, Fuji Ida back to using the tilt screen.

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What´s causing me trouble is a) that I do not see which way that is currently, and b) Sony having changed direction in mid course.

If a particular manufacturer no longer caters to my priorities in photography, every option is on the table. After having used Macs for 25 years, the fact that Apple completely ignores the convertible/2-in-1 segment means my next computer will be running on Windows.

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I don't think Sony has "changed direction" as such. Quite the contrary. They appear to be pursuing their vision with a vengeance while broadening the scope of their offerings as their market presence gathers more and more momentum. It seems pretty clear that that was always their strategy and it is simply gathering more steam as time passes.

The original push for innovation and market-leading optics is still there. The focus on consolidation of features and tech in the a7Rv is very much like what they did with the a7Riii five years ago. Same thinking and similar result - a mature and very interesting offering in every respect except the lack of a resolution bump.

From the outset of the NEX and a7 lines, Sony have been experimenting with ever-greater integration of video capabilities, and that leads to their current trajectory (and beyond). Everything from their lens roadmap to their tech strategy supports the direction they have been moving, and I don't see that slowing (or materially changing) any time soon.

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Replace "resolution bump" with "new sensor development", then this points to the potential main problem IMO. Andrea from SAR predicts we shouldn´t hold our breaths for more MPs in the future, and I believe he has his reasons. Committing to the current upper limit in MPs means less incentive to design new sensors.

The change in direction seems more consolidation and less innovation, and dilution of existing product categories.

I don´t see any direction in what Sony seems up to right now. I´ll be happy to be shown otherwise by convincing products.

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Andrea from SAR is creating drama from nothing --- which, in itself, is nothing new. His core mission is not to inform (as such) but to drive clicks. Period.

All the same (equally baseless, alarmist and equally clueless) things were being muttered and mumbled in various quarters five years ago when the a7Riii had "only" 42.4MP.

The time to start making alarmist declarations about Sony "committing to the current upper limit in MPs" is when an a7Rvii is officially released with a 61MP sensor, and not one day sooner.

Sorry if that pokes a hole in SAR's wild and speculative clickbait. ; )

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River Photography said:

Filmore Eastman said:

River Photography said:

Filmore Eastman said:

joger said:

For this very reason I don‘t understand why anyone should be loyal to a certain brand like 99 % of the absolutely biased messages indicate.

I am feeling for the arguments in this thread - I did never belong to any fan club for camera - my intention was and is the best in technology and that changes over time.

reading through the postings makes me sad and worried - this is not an open forward thinking way.

I will buy whatever marks the image quality top notch - provided it is reasonable small and lightweight.

To date that was and still is Sony but tomorrow things might be different. Can’t see why I would stick to a 2nd best in class - been there and hated it - today money is no obstacle for me and more and I hardly understand why it ever was knowing that the biggest investment is the learning curve for gear and not the gear itself - you invest lifetime - that’s priceless

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No loyalty here. I simply have what I need: a camera with a good size & price, that makes excellent photos. I have lenses from 5 different brands that all work nicely on the camera. I don't even have Sony's latest cameras, and yet my photos are very satisfying. No need to look elsewhere.

Photographers have been making "top notch" photos for nearly two centuries, without Canon's latest camera.

Ever wonder why many great musicians play the same instruments for years and years? Because they are busy creating music, not busy keeping up with the latest gadget.

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cant agree there , ive just bought my daughter an EV evolve 30 column array pa for her solo live gigs it blows her Fender amp away literally and her new Australian made Pratley acoustic guitar is on another level compared to the old taylors,matons ect i thought my Takamine 1990 electric acoustic was good, it needs to go into the bin :-(

Rp

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Watch Bruce Springsteen's recent interview with Howard Stern, in which he plays Takamine guitars. Bruce has a lot of guitars and can play virtually any guitar he wants. I think there's a lesson there.

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my guitar is a black dreadnought (the same as bon jovi played )where bruce is playing the cutaway. , cant help bruce is tone deaf LOL. seriously though,my daughters guitar is on another level , and the american high end pick ups installed are beautiful. i never imagined there would be so much difference ,but there is.

Rp

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PNad said:

tqlla said:

joger said:

georgehakim said:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

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in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

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A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

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24 to 33 more useful jump than 61 to 102. Seriously DPreview needs some forum post awards of the year, you would take comedy hands down.

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sportyaccordy said:

PNad said:

tqlla said:

joger said:

georgehakim said:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

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in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

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A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

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24 to 33 more useful jump than 61 to 102. Seriously DPreview needs some forum post awards of the year, you would take comedy hands down.

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Elaborate. How is the jump from 61 to 102 more useful than the jump from 24 to 33?

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joger said:

The Empire Strikes Back

you know me - I am a huge fan of technological superior solutions independent from manufacture. I like the recent Hasselblad H2D for the sensor and the Alpha one for it's PhotoJournalist approach and the A7R IV for it's leadership in resolution and the GM lenses for being 2nd to none in the market.

What Canon just did with the R6 II is nothing but a clear competition note to all other MILC manufactures.

Not only did they bring a new camera but also my most beloved focal length with built in IS

So what did we get?

1. R6 II - A7 IV competition on steroids
   • 40 fps in electronic shutter mode and 12 fps in mechanical shutter mode
   • advanced AF
   • ISO 204 k
   • 4k60p video
   • battery life + 50 %
   • price level of the A7 IV
2. RF 135 f/1.8
   • built in IS
   • 935 g
   • price level of the GM 135
3. Rumors for a 90 MP camera

Out of a sudden Canon seem to have eliminated most of my critique points and delivers lots of interesting products that are not only similarly attractive in specs but nothing short but outstanding in specs.

YES - reviews will proof the real world quality but from what I am seeing Canon did just deliver an amazing firework of nice things at a reasonable pricing level.

Now let's wait for the high res body and I might be tempted to swing back again - will have an interesting discussion with the photo dealer of my least mistrust whether I could trade in my Sony gear next year in case we'll get a high res body from Canon.

Not really my intention but I did not think Canon would tick most or all of the boxes that interest me.

Looks like the Canon engineers have not been sitting on their hands for the past two years.

What do you guys think?

I guess I am not the only one that had switched from the lazy Canon guys to the innovative and fast moving Sony team. Their recent slow down in comparison is visible for me - it's not day and night as before with Canon vs. Sony but within that short period of time Canon proofs that things can change eventually.

Especially the RF 135 is a really attractive offering

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Tim O'Connor said:

John Carson said:

Tim O'Connor said:

Sonys excellent pricing in Australia (the A1 for example is MUCH cheaper than the Z9 or Canon R3) is the icing on the cake.

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??? The A1 and Z9 are both around $9,000. The R3 is currently available for around $7,500.

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Apologies - you are correct I misspoke. The A1 has never been cheaper than the R3 here in Australia - total cockup on my part. It looks like the R3 has been slashed in some places since the last time I checked though.

The current AUD pricing I can see:

A1: 8500 - 8900

Z9: 9000 pretty much everywhere.

R3: 7500 - 8400 (digidirect for example)

I would still class Sony's overall pricing in Australia as pretty decent (all things considered with our plunging exchange rate) compared to Nikon when you consider the US pricing at Adorama:

R3: 6000

A1: 6500

Z9: 5500

In that sense I feel that Sony are generally pricing their stuff reasonably here compared to Nikon at least - but yeah, 7500 for the R3 is a good deal

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http://timoconnor.photography/

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MILC man said:

sportyaccordy said:

PNad said:

tqlla said:

joger said:

georgehakim said:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

Click to expand...

in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

Click to expand...

A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

Click to expand...

24 to 33 more useful jump than 61 to 102. Seriously DPreview needs some forum post awards of the year, you would take comedy hands down.

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Elaborate. How is the jump from 61 to 102 more useful than the jump from 24 to 33?

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you can't take anything that he says seriously.

the fact that a 102mp ff camera would be extremely expensive clearly never occurred to him, much less the simple concept of how mp count affects sensor readout speeds.

this entire thread is just another joger train wreck.

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PNad said:

MILC man said:

sportyaccordy said:

PNad said:

tqlla said:

joger said:

georgehakim said:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

Click to expand...

in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

Click to expand...

A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

Click to expand...

24 to 33 more useful jump than 61 to 102. Seriously DPreview needs some forum post awards of the year, you would take comedy hands down.

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Elaborate. How is the jump from 61 to 102 more useful than the jump from 24 to 33?

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you can't take anything that he says seriously.

the fact that a 102mp ff camera would be extremely expensive clearly never occurred to him, much less the simple concept of how mp count affects sensor readout speeds.

this entire thread is just another joger train wreck.

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How is readout speed and price the reason why 24 to 33 is more meaningful than 61 to 102 ?

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PNad said:

alantan said:

MILC man said:

alantan said:

the stacked sensor of a9 is literally super old tech… I just think Sony is not doing enough and Canon has caught up.

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no, this r6mk2 has an unstacked sensor, it has much slower readout speed than the a9, it can't track and stay locked on nearly as well as that "super old tech" from sony.

the only canon camera that has comparable tracking to the a9 is the r3.

the new fuji h2s has similar readout speeds to the a9; it took fuji five years to catch up, but they haven't been able to surpass what sony did years ago.

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For me it all depends on how bad the rolling shutter is on stills. If they can do 40 fps, the readout can’t be that slow, unless they start the next shot before the previous is done… I doubt it though.

if the e shutter is useable in the r6ii with acceptable rolling shutter, it’s a huge win in my books. It’s a big help outdoors

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Ive worked with the R5 for about 1.5y and the electronic shutter was more than usable for 90% of the scenarios, even kids running around.

The tracking was just fantastic even at 20fps, and there’s plenty of videos out there that shows how well the R6/5 tracks, so that whole « is not stacked so it cannot keep up » is utter non sense, just some rambling from someone who reads specs sheets and never actually used the actual camera.

Mind you, this guy fought me about a feature my camera had because he couldn’t find the info in the manual, even though I showed him some video proof of that feature.

Pure keyboard warrior.

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PNad said:

MILC man said:

sportyaccordy said:

PNad said:

tqlla said:

joger said:

georgehakim said:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

Click to expand...

in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

Click to expand...

A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

Click to expand...

24 to 33 more useful jump than 61 to 102. Seriously DPreview needs some forum post awards of the year, you would take comedy hands down.

Click to expand...

Elaborate. How is the jump from 61 to 102 more useful than the jump from 24 to 33?

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you can't take anything that he says seriously.

the fact that a 102mp ff camera would be extremely expensive clearly never occurred to him, much less the simple concept of how mp count affects sensor readout speeds.

this entire thread is just another joger train wreck.

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How is readout speed and price the reason why 24 to 33 is more meaningful than 61 to 102 ?

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PNad said:

tqlla said:

joger said:

georgehakim said:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

Click to expand...

in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

Click to expand...

A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

Click to expand...

24 to 33 more useful jump than 61 to 102. Seriously DPreview needs some forum post awards of the year, you would take comedy hands down.

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PNad said:

PNad wrote:

PNad said:

MILC man wrote:

PNad said:

sportyaccordy wrote:

PNad said:

PNad wrote:

PNad said:

tqlla wrote:

PNad said:

joger wrote:

PNad said:

georgehakim wrote:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

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in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

Click to expand...

A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

Click to expand...

24 to 33 more useful jump than 61 to 102. Seriously DPreview needs some forum post awards of the year, you would take comedy hands down.

Click to expand...

Elaborate. How is the jump from 61 to 102 more useful than the jump from 24 to 33?

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you can't take anything that he says seriously.

the fact that a 102mp ff camera would be extremely expensive clearly never occurred to him, much less the simple concept of how mp count affects sensor readout speeds.

this entire thread is just another joger train wreck.

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How is readout speed and price the reason why 24 to 33 is more meaningful than 61 to 102 ?

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Can you answer my question first?

--
Sometimes I take pictures with my gear- https://www.flickr.com/photos/41601371@N00/

tqlla said:

PNad said:

tqlla said:

joger said:

georgehakim said:

Compared to the A7iv, it has faster burst speed (12 vs 10), but that is on 24mp images compared to the Sony 33mp. Other than that, there isn’t much that tempt switching.

Click to expand...

in my discussion about the lackluster A7R V many keep telling me that resolution does not count?

102 MP is useless compare to 60 MP but the tiny step from 24 to 33 matters?

Click to expand...

A jump from 24 to 33 is a more useful jump than 61 to 102MP.
Its like comparing 2 pieces of chicken to 3 pieces. You might want that third piece.
But 6 pieces of chicken vs 10 pieces.... you will probably be full by the time you finish the 6th piece.

Click to expand...

24 to 33 more useful jump than 61 to 102. Seriously DPreview needs some forum post awards of the year, you would take comedy hands down.

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Its already explained. When you are full, you dont need more chicken.
What I am saying is that 61MP is more than enough for almost everyone.

24MP.... there will be times where users wish they could crop in a little more. Just like there will be times where you wish you ordered that 3rd piece of chicken.

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sportyaccordy said:

tqlla said:

Its already explained. When you are full, you dont need more chicken.
What I am saying is that 61MP is more than enough for almost everyone.

24MP.... there will be times where users wish they could crop in a little more. Just like there will be times where you wish you ordered that 3rd piece of chicken.

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Yea, I would really love to hear the scenarios where PNad says "man 61MP isn't enough, I could really use nearly double the MPs I have right now"

I've gone between 24-42MP and have come back to 24MP. 24 looks soft. I'm going to sell my A7III for an R3 once the time is right.

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Filmore Eastman said:

River Photography said:

Filmore Eastman said:

River Photography said:

Filmore Eastman said:

joger said:

For this very reason I don‘t understand why anyone should be loyal to a certain brand like 99 % of the absolutely biased messages indicate.

I am feeling for the arguments in this thread - I did never belong to any fan club for camera - my intention was and is the best in technology and that changes over time.

reading through the postings makes me sad and worried - this is not an open forward thinking way.

I will buy whatever marks the image quality top notch - provided it is reasonable small and lightweight.

To date that was and still is Sony but tomorrow things might be different. Can’t see why I would stick to a 2nd best in class - been there and hated it - today money is no obstacle for me and more and I hardly understand why it ever was knowing that the biggest investment is the learning curve for gear and not the gear itself - you invest lifetime - that’s priceless

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No loyalty here. I simply have what I need: a camera with a good size & price, that makes excellent photos. I have lenses from 5 different brands that all work nicely on the camera. I don't even have Sony's latest cameras, and yet my photos are very satisfying. No need to look elsewhere.

Photographers have been making "top notch" photos for nearly two centuries, without Canon's latest camera.

Ever wonder why many great musicians play the same instruments for years and years? Because they are busy creating music, not busy keeping up with the latest gadget.

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cant agree there , ive just bought my daughter an EV evolve 30 column array pa for her solo live gigs it blows her Fender amp away literally and her new Australian made Pratley acoustic guitar is on another level compared to the old taylors,matons ect i thought my Takamine 1990 electric acoustic was good, it needs to go into the bin :-(

Rp

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Watch Bruce Springsteen's recent interview with Howard Stern, in which he plays Takamine guitars. Bruce has a lot of guitars and can play virtually any guitar he wants. I think there's a lesson there.

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my guitar is a black dreadnought (the same as bon jovi played )where bruce is playing the cutaway. , cant help bruce is tone deaf LOL. seriously though,my daughters guitar is on another level , and the american high end pick ups installed are beautiful. i never imagined there would be so much difference ,but there is.

Rp

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I believe your daughter's guitar is on another level. However, if someone has a better guitar than Bruce Springsteen has, will they play better than Bruce Springsteen? Will they write better music? Will they evoke more feeling? Will more people hear them? Will they make more money? Will they have a bigger cultural impact? Or have a bigger place in musical history?

Or look at it another way, would Bruce Springsteen's success be greater if he used better guitars?

I'm not a musician so I'm not sure. I suspect the music is not about the guitar. At some point, a guitar is good enough, and other factors matter much more.

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