E-M1 III vs E-M1 II first impressions

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As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
 
Hey Confreg,

I am considering doing the same. Mk2 to Mk3

I use a lot of CAF.

You mentioned tracking has improved but do you mean CAF or CAF+Tracking.

I am only interested in CAF.

Thanks.

Ric

The Light by the Sea
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?
3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.
4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
the main advantage of the III over the II for me is that the C-modes have the Hold option.

I like the joystick better for moving the AF pattern around and pressing the centre position will re-home the AF pattern.

I too dislike the position of the Menu button, but it is consistent with my Canon Cameras.

The Custom Hold feature is enough for me to choose the III over the II for birding, and the improved CAF in video mode makes it my choice for movies.

But for general photography I will pick up wherever is convenient or has the charged batteries.

Peter
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
My daughter has the m2, I have the m3. When I briefly used her m2 the system felt like a clone but slower.

regarding the joystick- I actual prefer it over the L/R/U/D buttons. Redundant- perhaps. But for me I welcomed it. Comes down to personal choice.
 
Hey Confreg,

I am considering doing the same. Mk2 to Mk3

I use a lot of CAF.

You mentioned tracking has improved but do you mean CAF or CAF+Tracking.

I am only interested in CAF.

Thanks.

Ric

The Light by the Sea
Yes it was CAF+Tracking that didn’t work for me at all on the MK2 I gave up trying very early on but all AF points CAF (cluster area focus) especially for BIF against clear sky’s worked ok ok on the Mk2.

I can’t really say at the moment if I’m seeing any significant improvement as regards to CAF but I’m still testing.
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
the main advantage of the III over the II for me is that the C-modes have the Hold option.
yes me too a great feature I wasn’t even aware of
I like the joystick better for moving the AF pattern around and pressing the centre position will re-home the AF pattern.
Yes It’s just personal taste, I never had a problem with using the control pad to do the same job so don’t see any advantage only disadvantage as far as handling is concerned, but there you go we are all different and good job too life would be pretty boring if we all liked the same things.
I too dislike the position of the Menu button, but it is consistent with my Canon Cameras.

The Custom Hold feature is enough for me to choose the III over the II for birding, and the improved CAF in video mode makes it my choice for movies.
Have you noticed that you have the option to configure a custom hold within a Custom Memory but it doesn’t work (Apologies if I’m using the wrong terminology here)

for example if I set dial to C1 I can configure say the top front button to call C4, it lets me configure it but it doesn’t actually do anything, Custom Hold only works if you are in PASM?

If it did work I guess that could get pretty confusing but personally think I it wold be great to jump backward and forwards without moving the dial
But for general photography I will pick up wherever is convenient or has the charged batteries.
Peter
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
My daughter has the m2, I have the m3. When I briefly used her m2 the system felt like a clone but slower.

regarding the joystick- I actual prefer it over the L/R/U/D buttons. Redundant- perhaps. But for me I welcomed it. Comes down to personal choice.
Yes things like this are really a personal choice, unfortunately I just don’t get it, who knows I may warm to it at some point in the future but at the moment I’d rather have the info and menu buttons back to where they belong.

Actually an option to configure it as menu button would be good enough for me!
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
My daughter has the m2, I have the m3. When I briefly used her m2 the system felt like a clone but slower.

regarding the joystick- I actual prefer it over the L/R/U/D buttons. Redundant- perhaps. But for me I welcomed it. Comes down to personal choice.
Hey ikolbyi

Have u aud much experience using CAF on both the Mk2 and Mk3.

I would be interested in knowing if there is much of a performance difference.

For me I find the dials are a fast way to move the focus point while shooting.
 
9. Starry Sky AF.

A niche option, yes...but astrophotographers seem very happy with it.

As for the buttons, especially the joystick: felt awkward to me too. But in time grew on me.

In overall performance in my eyes they added a little turbo in the mk3, where the OM1 got a V8.
 
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I regret having E-M1II for the lack of joystick 😊

When I switched to Olympus I bought E-M1X and E-M1II as second body. I never got to like 1.2, and X was not delivering AF-side, so I returned it when OM-1 came out. Both had joystick, as my previous Sony A9 had, and now I have little if no regret in changing from A9 to OM-1. But whenever I take E-M1.2... It ends up losing shots because of many glitches, the most annoying the lack of joystick, then a subpar autofocus (but that is less problematic because I don't usually use it for fast/action shooting, only when I had both 300 pro and 40-150 pro I had one lens per body so I tried to use both bodies for action / wildlife).

Menu in the left size... That is an annoyance, for sure.
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?
im with you on this one, i hate the joystick on my new camera and found the d pad much better on my past camera. I call it "functional stupidity"
3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
My daughter has the m2, I have the m3. When I briefly used her m2 the system felt like a clone but slower.

regarding the joystick- I actual prefer it over the L/R/U/D buttons. Redundant- perhaps. But for me I welcomed it. Comes down to personal choice.
Hey ikolbyi

Have u aud much experience using CAF on both the Mk2 and Mk3.

I would be interested in knowing if there is much of a performance difference.

For me I find the dials are a fast way to move the focus point while shooting.
I don’t have enough experience with the m2 model to provide additional information other than the joystick makes moving the autofocus point/s easier than using the lower arrow pad.
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
the main advantage of the III over the II for me is that the C-modes have the Hold option.
yes me too a great feature I wasn’t even aware of
I like the joystick better for moving the AF pattern around and pressing the centre position will re-home the AF pattern.
Yes It’s just personal taste, I never had a problem with using the control pad to do the same job so don’t see any advantage only disadvantage as far as handling is concerned, but there you go we are all different and good job too life would be pretty boring if we all liked the same things.
I too dislike the position of the Menu button, but it is consistent with my Canon Cameras.

The Custom Hold feature is enough for me to choose the III over the II for birding, and the improved CAF in video mode makes it my choice for movies.
Have you noticed that you have the option to configure a custom hold within a Custom Memory but it doesn’t work (Apologies if I’m using the wrong terminology here)

for example if I set dial to C1 I can configure say the top front button to call C4, it lets me configure it but it doesn’t actually do anything, Custom Hold only works if you are in PASM?

If it did work I guess that could get pretty confusing but personally think I it wold be great to jump backward and forwards without moving the dial
But for general photography I will pick up wherever is convenient or has the charged batteries.
Peter
Oops!
I think I may have misunderstood what you meant by the “Custom Hold feature”?

I was confusing a feature called “Custom Recall Hold” on my RX10IV which basically recalls a custom menu for as long as you hold a preconfigured button, this is very similar to the feature on the E-M1 III that I was referring to above whereby you can assign a button to call up a custom memory, I’m not sure what this feature is called but I mistakenly called it Custom Hold which I realise is something else in Olympus speak.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think what you was (correctly) referring to as “Custom Hold” is the option to enable any changes you make whilst in a Custom memory to be remembered after you come out of that Custom memory, is that correct?

That’s the problem with using different brands the terminology can become a little confusing.
 
Oops!
I think I may have misunderstood what you meant by the “Custom Hold feature”?

I was confusing a feature called “Custom Recall Hold” on my RX10IV which basically recalls a custom menu for as long as you hold a preconfigured button, this is very similar to the feature on the E-M1 III that I was referring to above whereby you can assign a button to call up a custom memory, I’m not sure what this feature is called but I mistakenly called it Custom Hold which I realise is something else in Olympus speak.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think what you was (correctly) referring to as “Custom Hold” is the option to enable any changes you make whilst in a Custom memory to be remembered after you come out of that Custom memory, is that correct?

That’s the problem with using different brands the terminology can become a little confusing.
yes, that's the feature to which I was referring.

Peter
 
Oops!
I think I may have misunderstood what you meant by the “Custom Hold feature”?

I was confusing a feature called “Custom Recall Hold” on my RX10IV which basically recalls a custom menu for as long as you hold a preconfigured button, this is very similar to the feature on the E-M1 III that I was referring to above whereby you can assign a button to call up a custom memory, I’m not sure what this feature is called but I mistakenly called it Custom Hold which I realise is something else in Olympus speak.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think what you was (correctly) referring to as “Custom Hold” is the option to enable any changes you make whilst in a Custom memory to be remembered after you come out of that Custom memory, is that correct?

That’s the problem with using different brands the terminology can become a little confusing.
yes, that's the feature to which I was referring.

Peter
Ok great thanks for clarifying, apologies for the confusion on my part
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
My daughter has the m2, I have the m3. When I briefly used her m2 the system felt like a clone but slower.

regarding the joystick- I actual prefer it over the L/R/U/D buttons. Redundant- perhaps. But for me I welcomed it. Comes down to personal choice.
Interesting statement! It would be useful to know what it is that you feel makes the m2 “slower” as at the moment I am considering keeping the m2 and selling the m3, maybe I am missing something here.

Of course everyone uses their equipment differently and has different requirements and preferences but having used both cameras side by side for a while now I really can’t see any significant difference regarding speed or IQ, at least in the areas that matter to me, that’s not to say your statement is incorrect just that I’m not seeing it.

Focus acquisition is about the same for CAF and SAF with the 300f4 at least, write speed to SD card is identical and I see absolutely no difference trolling the menus/making config changes on the fly etc so not sure what you mean when you say the m2 is slower?

yes the m3 has some nice new features and I have found tracking focus and face/eye AF is definitely better on the m3, but speed?
 
Hey Confreg,

I am considering doing the same. Mk2 to Mk3

I use a lot of CAF.

You mentioned tracking has improved but do you mean CAF or CAF+Tracking.

I am only interested in CAF.

Thanks.

Ric

The Light by the Sea
Ok after using both cameras for the last month or so I must say I can’t see any difference between them as far as CAF or SAF is concerned, the only improvement I can see is as stated above CAF+Tracking focus is more sticky and face/eye AF is much better.
 
Good topic thread! I read your first impressions with interest since I have considered getting the E-M1 III.

I realize that camera purchases involve compromises and trade-offs. This is the main reason I support two ILC formats (Micro Four Thirds & Sony APS-C). I use my cameras for photography and video. The videos are mostly comprised of a variety of short topics with me in front of an untended camera. My Sony cameras work the best for this purpose with great AF/focus tracking. I can rely on the Sony cameras and it's a simple matter of set it and forget it.

At one time, I used a GH3 and later a GH4 for video. While I got some very good results, I could never depend on focus tracking. Panasonic seems committed to their DFD and that's one reason why I don't have a GH5.

I really enjoy using my Olympus cameras for photography. I like the look & feel, the external controls and the overall handling. I particularly like the dual control wheels. The menu system is not an obstacle after investing time to learn it and the cameras are very customizable. The biggest attraction to me is the 5-axis IBIS. I typically shoot in S-AF, probably a hold-over from my film days.

At times, I wondered how it would be to have a single ILC format that would give me the reliable AF/focus tracking of the Sony cameras plus the great IBIS of the Olympus cameras. In that regard, I have wondered if the E-M1 III could be my answer to consolidating all of my functions into a single camera and ILC format.

Meanwhile, I have made a number of Sony APS-C purchases that have further solidified my current video practice and my interest in consolidation has faded. On the other hand the E-M1 III is still a camera of interest.

Jim
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”
Agree but at least you don't have ART and SCENE to skip over.
2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?
I changed my toggle switch to be in function mode - giving me to more programmable 'buttons' - and use the joystick only for focus point navigation.
3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu,...
I'd like the menu button on the right. I find it difficult to move my hand from the left side to the right without accidentally triggering the auto-EVF detection, which resets everything. The playback and delete buttons are already on the right and could be on the left with menu on the right. I don't think anyone would care.
...but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)
Menu diving chews up battery like nothing else, and, if like me, you'll do that a lot more with a new camera.
7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.
I already have two and only use one, so I am lucky.
(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
You will adapt and become comfortable with it.
 
As people upgrade to OM-1 this seemed to me like a good time to maybe grab a bargain and upgrade my ageing E-M1 Mark II, the main reason being my current camera now has a lot of mileage on it (still working perfectly though) and also according to the reviews at least the AF on the Mark III has improved (my only minor gripe with the Mark II was that tracking AF was pretty much unusable for me)

After a week or so with my new Mark III these are my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

E-M1 III

This camera is almost identical to the E-M1 II physically with the main difference being the addition of a new joystick, and to accommodate this they have moved the Menu button to the left hand side(unfortunately now like the Sony) and have relocated the Info button where the Menu button was on the E-M1 II. On the plus side the camera now has an extra Custom Memory (C4) but instead of inserting it between C3 and Movie on the dial, they have put the B option between C1 and M, which has changed the whole feel of the camera for me.

Likes so far

1 Button assignments now includes C1-C4 as an option for most buttons which means you can get to your custom memories with a simple button push, ie without moving the dial. I think this is brilliant!

Currently I have assigned my front buttons to call up Custom memory 1 and 2, eg with the dial set to M just hitting the top button puts you straight into Custom Memory 1 config etc without having to move the dial, this almost makes up for putting B in the wrong place.

This feature was a nice surprise as I hadn't seen it mentioned here or in any of the reviews I'd read.

2 Tracking focus seems much more sticky than the E-M1 II, still not perfect (one of the main reason for purchase) but very usable now.

3 Adding a fourth Custom Memory C4 is a very welcome addition.

4 There is now an option to create your own AF Target Mode so you can shape your target with as many af points as you want, could be useful?

5 Face and Eye detection works much better now (short test worked brilliantly at the weekend)

6 Hand Held High Resolution Mode looks interesting, needs testing but not sure if it’s any use to me?

7 Live ND. also looks good but, needs testing

8 USB Power at last!

Dislikes/Anomalies or just not sure about yet

1 Putting B between M1 and M on the dial means you now have 3 steps between Manual and C1, in practise this just feels wrong imo, for me it was much better as it was before as I normally have the camera in M as default position, then just move the dial one position into M1 (my most used Custom memory) as and when needed. Worse still with the new layout if B happens to be set for composite shooting (default)then whenever you move the dial from C1 to M (through B) you now get an annoying popup telling you “Press shutter bla bla for composite shooting”

2 The joystick is totally unnecessary and just duplicates what the control pad does as far as I can see. I can't see what use this will be for me. Maybe I am missing something here but I just can't see exactly what it can do that the control pad can’t apart from giving you a sore thumb. Feels like it was added just because other manufacturers now fit them to me?

3 What adding the unnecessary joystick has done is to ruin the feel of the camera, the button layout was perfect for me as it was, for instance with a heavy lens attached you now have to take the camera from your eye to select menu, but worse than that to get to the Info button now you have to reposition your right hand to reach down for it whereas before it was right under the thumb perfect for turning on/off blinkies, also frustrating is that the info button is now so close to the play button it’s all too easy to hit the play button by mistake whilst looking through the view finder, very irritating when you have something in focus waiting for it to move and you go to turn blinkies on/off just to make a quick check and hit the play button directly underneath it instead, this it getting on my nerves at the moment, let's hope my thumb learns to locate it accurately soon.

4 It seems like the thumb grip has less rubber now (maybe my old worn out E-M1 II thumb grip rubber has just expanded with age?)

5 EVF seems to blow out highlights more than my E-M1 II? (needs further testing)

6 Feels like it’s possibly more battery hungry than E-M1 II, (could just be me taking time to get setup/playing with it etc more than usual, need to check further)

7 Camera is no longer supplied with the useful little fl-lm3 flash unit.

(Also noted some of the buttons seem to be less responsive than the old model, particularly the EC button under the thumb seems to either take a couple of pushes or my thumb needs to be at a certain angle for it to work, (same with the two front buttons which sometimes need a second stab?)hopefully this will improve with use

These are all minor gripes I know and tbh just like the Mark II this camera is still a joy to use especially with the addition of the new button assignment options for those Custom Memories, it's just a shame that for my purpose at least they have spoilt the handling of this camera for the sake of change imo, if it ain't broke....
My daughter has the m2, I have the m3. When I briefly used her m2 the system felt like a clone but slower.

regarding the joystick- I actual prefer it over the L/R/U/D buttons. Redundant- perhaps. But for me I welcomed it. Comes down to personal choice.
Interesting statement! It would be useful to know what it is that you feel makes the m2 “slower” as at the moment I am considering keeping the m2 and selling the m3, maybe I am missing something here.

Of course everyone uses their equipment differently and has different requirements and preferences but having used both cameras side by side for a while now I really can’t see any significant difference regarding speed or IQ, at least in the areas that matter to me, that’s not to say your statement is incorrect just that I’m not seeing it.

Focus acquisition is about the same for CAF and SAF with the 300f4 at least, write speed to SD card is identical and I see absolutely no difference trolling the menus/making config changes on the fly etc so not sure what you mean when you say the m2 is slower?

yes the m3 has some nice new features and I have found tracking focus and face/eye AF is definitely better on the m3, but speed?
Tracking and image processing. I shoot RAW + JPG (SF).

The main difference which is why I prefer the M3 is the joystick. For me it is a must in moving focus point during sports/wildlife photography.

If you have the M2 & M3 I would consider keeping the M3 for this simple reason: firmware updates if their will be anymore. Olympus/OMS is more likely keep the M3 alive with updates than the M2 because it is only 1 camera generation back from the current OM-1 model. It also has the same image processor as the OM-5 to my understanding, the M3 and OM-5 share that in common.
 

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