Do you believe that the OM1 sensor is really worth what OMDS is asking for the price of the camera

lokatz said:

I'd be surprised if anyone would deem the sensor alone to be that much better.

The biggest gains the OM-1 offers over the M1X are in AF performance, plus there are several other smaller improvements. IQ is better, but not fundamentally so.

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The OP focused on the sensor but it's really about a lot more than that I agree. For someone not familiar with the brand it's very hard to understand why the OM1 is worth it over the 1x or even the E-M1 mk 2 or 3.

The problem I have with the reviews is they all say pretty much the same thing, "the AF is greatly improved in this model, but still isn't quite up to par with the best of the best."

I mean they've been saying the same thing for a long time now. What's that mean? From the review, "C-AF Tracking remains disappointing" on the OM-1 but then I read in the forums it's much improved over the flagship 1x.

This is one area where the video reviews are really helpful since you can get a human's perspective that might not come across in a written review.

Jeepit said:

Looking for opinions on sensor IQ for the OM1 is it $2200.00 better than the X?
( And yes I know it’s subjective)

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Is it?




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toomix said:

I'm afraid your math is wrong It is not $2200 worth upgrade, but approx $300 upgrade.

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i understand what your communicating, looking at the difference in cost. But my wallet looks at as $2200 upgrade.

Thank you for your perspective.

toomix said:

Also, you do not buy a sensor only, but whole package, new processor unit, stacked sensor and its readout speed, better IBIS, size ... etc.

If you do not see advantage, then it is not worth upgrade ... as for me it is not worth upgrade from em1 mk3

But if it would be my first main camera purchase then (for me) it make sense to get om1

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Albert Valentino said:

Jeepit said:

Looking for opinions on sensor IQ for the OM1 is it $2200.00 better than the X?
( And yes I know it’s subjective)

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Is it?

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Olympus OM-D E-M1X,Olympus System OM-1

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I gues that says it all…

Thanks for posting.

inlawbiker said:

lokatz said:

I'd be surprised if anyone would deem the sensor alone to be that much better.

The biggest gains the OM-1 offers over the M1X are in AF performance, plus there are several other smaller improvements. IQ is better, but not fundamentally so.

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The OP focused on the sensor

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yes I did

inlawbiker said:

but it's really about a lot more than that I agree.

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It is more than that...except for me (not anyone else) IQ is the most important. True with the OM1 there is more than the sensor. I zeroed in on sensor for the reason I stated. I wanted to see if I could justify the outlay of cash to purchase it and get a $2200 worth of improvement in IQ. I know others have commented on the approximately $300 (your math is wrong) but for ME my wallet says $2200 not $300.

On the subjective part; other people may see it differently of (in) the difference in Image quality from a personal standpoint. Photons to photons displays that the IQ for both cams is close to identical. I had not seen that comparison before.

Again is it justifiable to spend the $ on a new cam...if your current cam IQ measures up to the new latest and greatest.

Thank you for your input it and everyone else's is appreciated.

inlawbiker said:

For someone not familiar with the brand it's very hard to understand why the OM1 is worth it over the 1x or even the E-M1 mk 2 or 3.

The problem I have with the reviews is they all say pretty much the same thing, "the AF is greatly improved in this model, but still isn't quite up to par with the best of the best."

I mean they've been saying the same thing for a long time now. What's that mean? From the review, "C-AF Tracking remains disappointing" on the OM-1 but then I read in the forums it's much improved over the flagship 1x.

This is one area where the video reviews are really helpful since you can get a human's perspective that might not come across in a written review.

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Jeepit said:

Jeepit said:

It is more than that...except for me (not anyone else) IQ is the most important. True with the OM1 there is more than the sensor. I zeroed in on sensor for the reason I stated. I wanted to see if I could justify the outlay of cash to purchase it and get a $2200 worth of improvement in IQ. I know others have commented on the approximately $300 (your math is wrong) but for ME my wallet says $2200 not $300.

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Congratulations! Since IQ is the only thing you care about, you just saved $2,200...

Jeepit said:

Again is it justifiable to spend the $ on a new cam...if your current cam IQ measures up to the new latest and greatest.

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There are other hidden gotcha’s with the OM1. For example, it requires a different battery than the EM1’s, which cost even more, about $100. Then if you want the battery charger it is a la carte’ item at around $150 (if I recall). Personally, thse little things will help me stick with my EM1.3 for many years to come since it does everything I need very well

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inlawbiker said:

The problem I have with the reviews is they all say pretty much the same thing, "the AF is greatly improved in this model, but still isn't quite up to par with the best of the best."

I mean they've been saying the same thing for a long time now. What's that mean? From the review, "C-AF Tracking remains disappointing" on the OM-1 but then I read in the forums it's much improved over the flagship 1x.

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Depends completely on your use case. I don't do people photography, but that seems to be where most of the disappointment with the OM-1s AF lies. Firmware 1.2 apparently improved that some, but another update may be needed before the OM-1 can play with the big boys in that department.

My focus is on wildlife, and especially on birds. I own a Canon R5, as well, with which I have been shooting much longer, and can safely testify that the OM-1 IS at par, or at least within a hair. On the other hand, show me a body that delivers precise AF and can do so at 50fps. Let's see: the OM-1, and... the OM-1, and... Or, let's see: which of these very-good-AF-performers has ProCapture, a feature that's a god-send for bird photographers? Uhmm...

The Tracking argument is often repeated and rarely appropriate. In 99% of all use cases (and 100% of mine), it's a complete non-issue once users understand how to properly use their camera (in a nutshell, "Do NOT use Tracking if you use any of the subject detection modes"). Read the "OMDS interview" reference in another thread on this forum if you need details.

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Jeepit said:

Again is it justifiable to spend the $ on a new cam...if your current cam IQ measures up to the new latest and greatest.

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There are other hidden gotcha’s with the OM1. For example, it requires a different battery than the EM1’s, which cost even more, about $100. Then if you want the battery charger it is a la carte’ item at around $150 (if I recall). Personally, thse little things will help me stick with my EM1.3 for many years to come since it does everything I need very well

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... which, in a nutshell, means you don't need an OM-1, anyway. Good for you.

But why make these "sour grapes" comments? Trying to keep yourself from getting GAS? ;-)

Jeepit said:

inlawbiker said:

lokatz said:

I'd be surprised if anyone would deem the sensor alone to be that much better.

The biggest gains the OM-1 offers over the M1X are in AF performance, plus there are several other smaller improvements. IQ is better, but not fundamentally so.

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The OP focused on the sensor

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yes I did

Jeepit said:

but it's really about a lot more than that I agree.

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It is more than that...except for me (not anyone else) IQ is the most important. True with the OM1 there is more than the sensor. I zeroed in on sensor for the reason I stated. I wanted to see if I could justify the outlay of cash to purchase it and get a $2200 worth of improvement in IQ. I know others have commented on the approximately $300 (your math is wrong) but for ME my wallet says $2200 not $300.

On the subjective part; other people may see it differently of (in) the difference in Image quality from a personal standpoint. Photons to photons displays that the IQ for both cams is close to identical. I had not seen that comparison before.

Again is it justifiable to spend the $ on a new cam...if your current cam IQ measures up to the new latest and greatest.

Thank you for your input it and everyone else's is appreciated.

Jeepit said:

For someone not familiar with the brand it's very hard to understand why the OM1 is worth it over the 1x or even the E-M1 mk 2 or 3.

The problem I have with the reviews is they all say pretty much the same thing, "the AF is greatly improved in this model, but still isn't quite up to par with the best of the best."

I mean they've been saying the same thing for a long time now. What's that mean? From the review, "C-AF Tracking remains disappointing" on the OM-1 but then I read in the forums it's much improved over the flagship 1x.

This is one area where the video reviews are really helpful since you can get a human's perspective that might not come across in a written review.

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Why is IQ the main factor for you? If that's the case, why have you got an EM1X? The selling point of the X was the improved functionality over the EM1 ii, not the IQ, and the same applied to the OM1 when I bought that. If IQ is the deciding factor I'd get an R5 or wait for the R1 maybe. But for me the priority is that I don't want to wander round the mountains with a wheelbarrow and a 600mm prime

lokatz said:

Albert Valentino said:

Jeepit said:

Again is it justifiable to spend the $ on a new cam...if your current cam IQ measures up to the new latest and greatest.

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There are other hidden gotcha’s with the OM1. For example, it requires a different battery than the EM1’s, which cost even more, about $100. Then if you want the battery charger it is a la carte’ item at around $150 (if I recall). Personally, thse little things will help me stick with my EM1.3 for many years to come since it does everything I need very well

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... which, in a nutshell, means you don't need an OM-1, anyway. Good for you.

But why make these "sour grapes" comments? Trying to keep yourself from getting GAS? ;-)

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Nice try, but not even close. Only reason I upgraded to the mark III was because of a super special deal on a refurb from the Olympus store just before new management, and the Live ND and HHHR feature that might someday come in handy

My point was to the OP that has stated a few times that he needs justification to spend the money. So it helps to know battery’s are different (his profile shows he owns three bodies that use a EM1 battery), and that a charger is optional. These things help to understand the real cost to help decide if an upgrade is worth it.

In my opinion the OM-1 sensor handles noise differently than the EM1-X. The noise pattern with the OM-1 is finer, and the image shows slightly improved contrast. Image detail with the OM-1 is also slightly improved. I would not purchase the OM-1 based on these factors. The most significant improvement with the OM-1 sensor is AF tracking accuracy. If you find that you are missing opportunities due to focusing issues with your EM-1X then the OM-1 would be an improvement. If your image quality is not negatively impacted by misfocus, and you are simply looking for improved image quality based on noise, detail, contrast, dynamic range etc. then I doubt you would find a significant difference between the two sensors.

In terms of ergonomics I found the OM-1 to be nowhere near as comfortable as the EM-1X. However I did not shoot the OM-1 with the battery grip. As a side note, I understand the IP53 rating of the OM-1, and the level of weather sealing etc. but I was unimpressed with the dials on the camera. The front dial in particular was very stiff and had a significant gap on either side of it. I'm not sure how you would shoot this camera while wearing gloves. The dials and overall ergonomics on my Nikon cameras (Z6II, Z7II and Z9) and the R-5 are much better and suit my hands far better than the OM-1.

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Jeepit said:

Again is it justifiable to spend the $ on a new cam...if your current cam IQ measures up to the new latest and greatest.

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There are other hidden gotcha’s with the OM1. For example, it requires a different battery than the EM1’s, which cost even more, about $100. Then if you want the battery charger it is a la carte’ item at around $150 (if I recall). Personally, thse little things will help me stick with my EM1.3 for many years to come since it does everything I need very well

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Here here, well said!

Thanks for your input.

TM0ze said:

In my opinion the OM-1 sensor handles noise differently than the EM1-X. The noise pattern with the OM-1 is finer, and the image shows slightly improved contrast. Image detail with the OM-1 is also slightly improved. I would not purchase the OM-1 based on these factors. The most significant improvement with the OM-1 sensor is AF tracking accuracy. If you find that you are missing opportunities due to focusing issues with your EM-1X then the OM-1 would be an improvement. If your image quality is not negatively impacted by misfocus, and you are simply looking for improved image quality based on noise, detail, contrast, dynamic range etc. then I doubt you would find a significant difference between the two sensors.

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AF continues longer, better in dimmer light than before and I'm able, for example, to use the f:2/8 zooms for action in light that has me reaching for sub f:2 primes with the E-M1 series. Distinctly better, to be sure.

Cheers,

Rick

It seems the answer is yes, given what the sensor enables. It is for the many people who bought one, just not for you and many others.

So which of the many other cameras on the market would be right for you?

Andrew

Albert Valentino said:

lokatz said:

Albert Valentino said:

Jeepit said:

Again is it justifiable to spend the $ on a new cam...if your current cam IQ measures up to the new latest and greatest.

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There are other hidden gotcha’s with the OM1. For example, it requires a different battery than the EM1’s, which cost even more, about $100. Then if you want the battery charger it is a la carte’ item at around $150 (if I recall). Personally, thse little things will help me stick with my EM1.3 for many years to come since it does everything I need very well

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... which, in a nutshell, means you don't need an OM-1, anyway. Good for you.

But why make these "sour grapes" comments? Trying to keep yourself from getting GAS? ;-)

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Nice try, but not even close. Only reason I upgraded to the mark III was because of a super special deal on a refurb from the Olympus store just before new management, and the Live ND and HHHR feature that might someday come in handy

My point was to the OP that has stated a few times that he needs justification to spend the money. So it helps to know battery’s are different (his profile shows he owns three bodies that use a EM1 battery), and that a charger is optional. These things help to understand the real cost to help decide if an upgrade is worth it.

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Which I appreciated reading; as I said before it was good info and not 'sour grapes'.

TM0ze said:

In my opinion the OM-1 sensor handles noise differently than the EM1-X.

The noise pattern with the OM-1 is finer, and the image shows slightly improved contrast. Image detail with the OM-1 is also slightly improved.

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Just the type of info i did not have...thank you.

TM0ze said:

I would not purchase the OM-1 based on these factors. The most significant improvement with the OM-1 sensor is AF tracking accuracy.

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Interesting...

TM0ze said:

If you find that you are missing opportunities due to focusing issues with your EM-1X

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Which I'm not...

TM0ze said:

then the OM-1 would be an improvement. If your image quality is not negatively impacted by misfocus,

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See above comment...

TM0ze said:

and you are simply looking for improved image quality based on noise, detail, contrast, dynamic range etc. then I doubt you would find a significant difference between the two sensors.

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Just the type of info i did not have & was looking for...a huge thank you.

TM0ze said:

In terms of ergonomics I found the OM-1 to be nowhere near as comfortable as the EM-1X.

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That is what I was thinking...

TM0ze said:

However I did not shoot the OM-1 with the battery grip. As a side note, I understand the IP53 rating of the OM-1, and the level of weather sealing etc. but I was unimpressed with the dials on the camera. The front dial in particular was very stiff and had a significant gap on either side of it. I'm not sure how you would shoot this camera while wearing gloves. The dials and overall ergonomics on my Nikon cameras (Z6II, Z7II and Z9) and the R-5 are much better and suit my hands far better than the OM-1.

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I really appreciate your comments on the OM1 and the Nikon & R-5 as well. your comments are well taken and appreciated.

Skeeterbytes said:

TM0ze said:

In my opinion the OM-1 sensor handles noise differently than the EM1-X. The noise pattern with the OM-1 is finer, and the image shows slightly improved contrast. Image detail with the OM-1 is also slightly improved. I would not purchase the OM-1 based on these factors. The most significant improvement with the OM-1 sensor is AF tracking accuracy. If you find that you are missing opportunities due to focusing issues with your EM-1X then the OM-1 would be an improvement. If your image quality is not negatively impacted by misfocus, and you are simply looking for improved image quality based on noise, detail, contrast, dynamic range etc. then I doubt you would find a significant difference between the two sensors.

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AF continues longer, better in dimmer light than before and I'm able, for example, to use the f:2/8 zooms for action in light that has me reaching for sub f:2 primes with the E-M1 series. Distinctly better, to be sure.

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Hi Rick thank you for your input.

I purvey this forum a lot but I don't usually get on and converse with members unless I have something important to say or ask. I will always read your thoughts on a topic if the topic is of interest to me. You are civil and respectful; which many on here could take a lesson from you.

Thanks again...

Rick

Skeeterbytes said:

Cheers,

Rick

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Rupert the bear said:

Jeepit said:

inlawbiker said:

lokatz said:

I'd be surprised if anyone would deem the sensor alone to be that much better.

The biggest gains the OM-1 offers over the M1X are in AF performance, plus there are several other smaller improvements. IQ is better, but not fundamentally so.

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The OP focused on the sensor

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yes I did

Rupert the bear said:

but it's really about a lot more than that I agree.

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It is more than that...except for me (not anyone else) IQ is the most important. True with the OM1 there is more than the sensor. I zeroed in on sensor for the reason I stated. I wanted to see if I could justify the outlay of cash to purchase it and get a $2200 worth of improvement in IQ. I know others have commented on the approximately $300 (your math is wrong) but for ME my wallet says $2200 not $300.

On the subjective part; other people may see it differently of (in) the difference in Image quality from a personal standpoint. Photons to photons displays that the IQ for both cams is close to identical. I had not seen that comparison before.

Again is it justifiable to spend the $ on a new cam...if your current cam IQ measures up to the new latest and greatest.

Thank you for your input it and everyone else's is appreciated.

Rupert the bear said:

For someone not familiar with the brand it's very hard to understand why the OM1 is worth it over the 1x or even the E-M1 mk 2 or 3.

The problem I have with the reviews is they all say pretty much the same thing, "the AF is greatly improved in this model, but still isn't quite up to par with the best of the best."

I mean they've been saying the same thing for a long time now. What's that mean? From the review, "C-AF Tracking remains disappointing" on the OM-1 but then I read in the forums it's much improved over the flagship 1x.

This is one area where the video reviews are really helpful since you can get a human's perspective that might not come across in a written review.

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Why is IQ the main factor for you? If that's the case, why have you got an EM1X?

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Well since you asked...I also purchased the X for its ability to handle the superb 4/3 lenses. As in the little and big tuna, 70-200SWD and so on.

Rupert the bear said:

The selling point of the X was the improved functionality over the EM1 ii, not the IQ, and the same applied to the OM1 when I bought that.

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Rupert the bear said:

If IQ is the deciding factor I'd get an R5 or wait for the R1 maybe.

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Good point but...I have much invested in m4/3 & 4/3 glass. If $ is no object I would run right out and purchase the R5...no wait it would be the Fuji GFX 100S. If your going to go for maximum IQ do it right and go for MF in a smaller size.

Rupert the bear said:

But for me the priority is that I don't want to wander round the mountains with a wheelbarrow and a 600mm prime

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That's why I have the m4/3 300f4.

Have I answered your question?

Thank you for your input it has value.

lokatz said:

Jeepit said:

lokatz said:

It is more than that...except for me (not anyone else) IQ is the most important. True with the OM1 there is more than the sensor. I zeroed in on sensor for the reason I stated. I wanted to see if I could justify the outlay of cash to purchase it and get a $2200 worth of improvement in IQ. I know others have commented on the approximately $300 (your math is wrong) but for ME my wallet says $2200 not $300.

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Congratulations! Since IQ is the only thing you care about, you just saved $2,200...

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Sarcasm?