And in less than 24 hours, the Fuji X100S I flagged as newly in at KEH is gone. No surprise--when super-nice-condition examples in the X100 series land there, they don't usually stay long. This is probably a fair example of what some posts are pointing out in this thread. One suspects it could be a combination of collectors and market pressures triggered by the shortages.
I think as was pointed out in another thread, there's not a huge incentive to buy the lastest gen Fuji gear, plus it's constantly out of stock. So new people wanting to get into Fuji are going for older gear.
So, let me get this straight. You claim that there isn't a "huge incentive" for people to buy the latest Fuji gear, yet it appears to be "constantly out of stock." So, your suggestion here must be that Fujifilm is only building a very limited number of cameras for which there is apparently decent demand? Who knows... you might be right, but what evidence would you offer to support the contention that sales are under expectations other than yet just another opinion on the internet? The fact that you might be underwhelmed with the latest offerings doesn't necessarily suggest that sales are weak, or do you have some additional data to offer (or something I might have missed earlier) to support that contention?
Why take my word for it when the CEO himself made it abundantly clear that the camera division isn't a money maker and is likely a money loser?
So what. I expect Fujifilm is breaking even at best. However, where did he say that they were going to stop supporting the camera business? Were did he say that they were going to spin it off? Given me your reference.
Where did I say that he said either of those things?
Did you happen to forget this -
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66511241
Seems to me that was written by you and it seems to be the implication you are making.
So yea, that was your point. So lets see your evidence. If you can't produce it - then what is your point?
You'll have to quote where I said it, because no where in that post do I come within a country mile of making either claim you've tried to attribute to me.
How about evidence for this quote:
Why take my word for it when the CEO himself made it abundantly clear that the camera division isn't a money maker and is likely a money loser?
Self evident facts are self evident.
How about you tell me what you think he meant by NOT listing the camera division as a profit center and then saying they were going to keep making cameras anyway as a contribution to society.
Trust me dude, companies reorganize all the time. They move around product lines. In 2020 Sony moved its camera business unit to a new company under the Sony umbrella. Sony put its camera business in something called Sony Electronic Corporation. It is made up of Sony Imaging Products, Home Entertainment and Sound and Mobile Communications. So Sony cameras are in the same independent company as their cell phones. Now tell me do you think Sony is planning to chop off it's camera business? They might or might now but at the end of the day we don't know. They could be forced to by a hostile hedge fund large stock holder. This has nothing to do with their semiconductor business unit with is still under Sony and quite profitable.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/03/27/sony-camera-division-becomes-part-of-a-separate-company/
Do I hear the sky is falling over this.
Here is the Canon home page. Now tell me do they list cameras as one of their main business ares.
Well duh - they don't. Are you telling me Canon is going to fold its tent and eliminate its camera product line.
The real money to be made in imaging is in industrial, medial and semiconductor lithography - not peddling consumer cameras. We are talking systems that sell for 10 million to close to 100 million dollars. Medical images is the same. Where the heck do you think upper management is going to be concentrating on hanging its resources. The crumbs and round offs can fund consumer R&D. When I was at FCI it was in space.
So as far as I can see your post is a nothing burger - a "Chicken Little post" about the sky falling.
The good news is Fujifilm has a huge investment in imaging. Fujifilm build lenses for satellite programs both for US, the EU and Japan. When I was at FCI and working on a "tiger team" to determine why the Hubble Space Telescope couldn't focus well Ball Aerospace who was managing the effort for NASA called in Fujifilm engineers to sit on the team. We put glasses on the Hubble main mirror. Perkin Elmer the company that built it and gave false test data to NASA was prosecuted. But that's a different story. Medical and industrial imaging is a huge growth area.
Fujifilm is a top notch imaging company. Do you expect the CEO to worry about the consumer imaging products when they are in the round off of the other business units. Fujifilm would not same any thing but round off by cutting the cord. That the CEO even mentioned the camera business is a positive sign. I you are worried I would be happy to buy all your Fuji equipment. Of course since you yourself tell us it will be worthless it will be for only pennies on the dollar. Better hurry before it gets even less valuable.
Best Regards.
Where do you keep getting this idea that I'm claiming they're eliminating the camera division? I didn't say it at all in the first post and said the exact opposite in my last post... but still you go on about it.
No... based on your flurry of posts and "sky is falling" verbiage, I think you're the one that should be taking credit for "going on about it." Time to put this to bed.
I’m going to agree with Jerry and Truman here. Not piling on, but what does Fuji operations in the consumer business line have to do with there being ‘no incentive to upgrade’ as you say way back? You still haven’t answered that comment and question Jerry had mirroring mine. I don’t get that logic. Also, this thread was about the OP’s observance of an upward price they noticed for used Fuji gear. I don’t get why you meandered to where you got - with the lack of incentive? Huh? Please don’t answer….just enjoy some ‘you’ time and get involved with other threads. This one is so over cooked. Happy shooting and good luck!
I'd actually love to answer, because the lack of reading comprehension that is pandemic on the internet is annoying. Let me try to walk you through it...
Fuji's digital cameras became popular to a very specific niche market. This market found some unique traits in Fuji gear. These are important, so I'm going to number them in no particular order so everyone that's having a rough time can follow along...
1. Retro styling 2. Light, compact 3. Fun film simulations and overall jpeg quality 4. Lens system that was unique is prioritizing overall IQ above pure sharpness, plus was small and light to match the bodies.
That's what set Fuji apart and made it popular. It might not be why YOU bought one - but it's the way Fuji marketed and it's the way the vast majority of Fuji owners got into the system.
So it follows that FROM THESE IMPORTANT TRAITS AND THESE ALONE - new bodies offer no improvement, because old bodies already had everything necessary.
YOU might have other reasons to upgrade, but the typical Fuji user that bought into the system for those SPECIFIC reasons does not need to upgrade because the old bodies offer everything they want.
Likewise, as a new person getting into the Fuji system for THOSE SPECIFIC REASONS, the reasons that most people got into Fuji in the first place, there's no incentive to pay full price or wait out "out of stock" issues on new bodies, because the older bodies already tick all the necessary boxes.
The way this directly relates to the prices of used gear SHOULD be extremely obvious... but no guarantee in these days of minimal reading comprehension.
