Second-hand Fujifilm shortage on ebay & prices going up?

My X100S is dying and I was looking to get another second-hand Fujifilm from ebay (UK) and I noticed that there don't seem to be many X100 series listed on ebay as previously and prices are up. For example the X100S seems to be around £450. When I bought mine 5 years ago, they were £350-£400. XE-3 are around £380-£450. They were around £300 a year ago.

Are others seeing this?

Maybe it's inflation, fall in the pound or component shortages stopping people buying new cameras? Or maybe people have stopped buying new cameras all together?

What's going on?
In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.

People talk about the various X-Trans sensors having slightly different colour characteristics - so they want to buy an older model for that alternative nuance.

I don’t have any statistics to back this up, but I sense that this phenomena is more common among Fuji and Leica users, than with other brands.

This all leads to the demand for used older Fuji’s to remain high.
 
In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.
Collectable? no.
 
Keep an eye on Wex and LCE they can be more competitively priced compared to MPB and Wex give 12 months warranty compared to 6 with LCE and MPB. Prices on LCE do vary from store to store and the more competitively priced items tend to go more quickly for obvious reasons. However, they've often been cheaper than the inflated Ebay UK prices recently.
 
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In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.
Collectable? no.
Says you. I know a number of Fuji users who collect their older gear and keep it even after getting newer models. One common use case seems to be keeping an X-T1 or E1 and using it with adapted and manual lenses, while using the newer one for AF work.

I kept my original X-100 til it died and Fuji couldn't get the new mainboard to fix it. They made me a heckuva deal on a refurb X-100T which I still have, but I was sad when they wouldn't send me back my O G X-100 to put in my display case.

With Fuji going more and more in on PASM, and the high likelihood that there will never be another X-H1 style camera with dial controls and LCD top plate (The X-T5 will probably have the EC dial instead of the screen) I don't see the H1 losing its value anytime soon. Or really, any of the others like the X-T2 and 3-still very capable photographic tools and the T3 is still very relevant for video.
 
And in less than 24 hours, the Fuji X100S I flagged as newly in at KEH is gone. No surprise--when super-nice-condition examples in the X100 series land there, they don't usually stay long. This is probably a fair example of what some posts are pointing out in this thread. One suspects it could be a combination of collectors and market pressures triggered by the shortages.
I think as was pointed out in another thread, there's not a huge incentive to buy the lastest gen Fuji gear, plus it's constantly out of stock. So new people wanting to get into Fuji are going for older gear.
So, let me get this straight. You claim that there isn't a "huge incentive" for people to buy the latest Fuji gear, yet it appears to be "constantly out of stock." So, your suggestion here must be that Fujifilm is only building a very limited number of cameras for which there is apparently decent demand? Who knows... you might be right, but what evidence would you offer to support the contention that sales are under expectations other than yet just another opinion on the internet? The fact that you might be underwhelmed with the latest offerings doesn't necessarily suggest that sales are weak, or do you have some additional data to offer (or something I might have missed earlier) to support that contention?
Why take my word for it when the CEO himself made it abundantly clear that the camera division isn't a money maker and is likely a money loser?
So what. I expect Fujifilm is breaking even at best. However, where did he say that they were going to stop supporting the camera business? Were did he say that they were going to spin it off? Given me your reference.
Where did I say that he said either of those things?
 
In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.
Collectable? no.
Says you. I know a number of Fuji users who collect their older gear and keep it even after getting newer models. One common use case seems to be keeping an X-T1 or E1 and using it with adapted and manual lenses, while using the newer one for AF work.

I kept my original X-100 til it died and Fuji couldn't get the new mainboard to fix it. They made me a heckuva deal on a refurb X-100T which I still have, but I was sad when they wouldn't send me back my O G X-100 to put in my display case.

With Fuji going more and more in on PASM, and the high likelihood that there will never be another X-H1 style camera with dial controls and LCD top plate (The X-T5 will probably have the EC dial instead of the screen) I don't see the H1 losing its value anytime soon. Or really, any of the others like the X-T2 and 3-still very capable photographic tools and the T3 is still very relevant for video.
Many people use older cameras and own more than one. While you can consider it a collection, Fuji digital cameras are not collectibles. Collectibles are rare and increase in value vs the original price. The X-H1 debuted at $1900. It’s now like $700. It lost a lot of value to become the good deal it is today.

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Hi,

Why do you think your camera is dying? What are the symptoms? I never had a camera slowly dying or dying at all. Some I sold, some I kept but I guess the ones I sold are sill working.
 
I suspect some commenters are using "collect" different ways. While F digital may not be "collectible" in the Antiques Road Show or Sothebys auction sense, some devotees do collect---be it to use or not--cherished past models. And the X100 series is probably the leader in that regard.

And yes, I suspect an increased percent of these used sales are purchases for use.

First reason--inconceivable as it may be to many on this forum, there are serious enthusiasts who do not need or want the ever-increasing tech super-powers in the newest models, and for whom 16mp is ample. Not to mention, dismay with the smartphone-centric haptic\UI changes in some latest models. I personally will never purchase a latest issue stripped of a 4-way directional. For models where this and other disagreeable amputations and alterations are occurring, I will purchase only prior generations. And I am not alone.

Couple that with second reason, hefty price increases on new issues, and shift to high-end market focus by not only Fuji, at a time when inflation is out the window and serious recession\economic crash is a very real possibility for many shoppers. Recession and inflation, like supply a chain shortages, operate to raise used-good prices, not lower them. But even with the used increases, a pristine X100T or X100S is a bargain compared to some of the new stuff on the horizon.
 
Same here (Hong Kong) even for local 2nd hand market:

- There are very limited supplies of 2nd hand fuji cameras.

- Asking price is usually very high and comparable to buying a new one, e.g. just 5% off from new camera a good condition 2nd hand.

I currently own a X-t10 and I want to upgrade for quite sometime, but a 2nd hand XE4, XT4 cost nearly the same as buying a new one - older models almost can't be found, so I was thinking whether I should spend a little more to buy a new X-H2.
 
In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.
Collectable? no.
Says you. I know a number of Fuji users who collect their older gear and keep it even after getting newer models. One common use case seems to be keeping an X-T1 or E1 and using it with adapted and manual lenses, while using the newer one for AF work.

I kept my original X-100 til it died and Fuji couldn't get the new mainboard to fix it. They made me a heckuva deal on a refurb X-100T which I still have, but I was sad when they wouldn't send me back my O G X-100 to put in my display case.

With Fuji going more and more in on PASM, and the high likelihood that there will never be another X-H1 style camera with dial controls and LCD top plate (The X-T5 will probably have the EC dial instead of the screen) I don't see the H1 losing its value anytime soon. Or really, any of the others like the X-T2 and 3-still very capable photographic tools and the T3 is still very relevant for video.
Many people use older cameras and own more than one. While you can consider it a collection, Fuji digital cameras are not collectibles. Collectibles are rare and increase in value vs the original price. The X-H1 debuted at $1900. It’s now like $700. It lost a lot of value to become the good deal it is today.
A Canon FTb was, in today's dollars, $580 on its release. A good condition one with 50mm f1.4 lens is going for $200 on eBay right now.

I feel like that still counts as collectible. Just because something doesn't increase in value like, say, a Leica special edition originally marketed towards oil Sheikhs, does not mean that it isn't collectible. Lots of old cameras are are sought after as collector's items even if less than new, accounting for inflation.

There's a guy on DPR forums who collects old '90s digital cameras, which are typically worth about thirty cents today. But he's got hundreds of them, and there's a website at 640x480.com dedicated to pictures taken with these digital antiques.

Price alone doesn't determine collection addition potential.
 
Anyone that doesn't think there's a collectable element to used Fuji gear demand need only look at the astronomical price differences between black and silver bodies. People are willing to pay that premium for a difference that is entirely nonfunctional, but is more rare.
 
As others have said,it’s the law of supply & demand.

I’m selling my X100V (private sale) on eBay right now, auction ends tonight and so far the auctions running at £1020 against a new price in Wex of £1349, with no stock availability

My guess is that this will close out at pretty much current new price, and taking out the fees will still leave me with a good price, much better than a part exchange
 
In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.
Collectable? no.
Says you. I know a number of Fuji users who collect their older gear and keep it even after getting newer models. One common use case seems to be keeping an X-T1 or E1 and using it with adapted and manual lenses, while using the newer one for AF work.

I kept my original X-100 til it died and Fuji couldn't get the new mainboard to fix it. They made me a heckuva deal on a refurb X-100T which I still have, but I was sad when they wouldn't send me back my O G X-100 to put in my display case.

With Fuji going more and more in on PASM, and the high likelihood that there will never be another X-H1 style camera with dial controls and LCD top plate (The X-T5 will probably have the EC dial instead of the screen) I don't see the H1 losing its value anytime soon. Or really, any of the others like the X-T2 and 3-still very capable photographic tools and the T3 is still very relevant for video.
Many people use older cameras and own more than one. While you can consider it a collection, Fuji digital cameras are not collectibles. Collectibles are rare and increase in value vs the original price. The X-H1 debuted at $1900. It’s now like $700. It lost a lot of value to become the good deal it is today.
A Canon FTb was, in today's dollars, $580 on its release. A good condition one with 50mm f1.4 lens is going for $200 on eBay right now.

I feel like that still counts as collectible. Just because something doesn't increase in value like, say, a Leica special edition originally marketed towards oil Sheikhs, does not mean that it isn't collectible. Lots of old cameras are are sought after as collector's items even if less than new, accounting for inflation.

There's a guy on DPR forums who collects old '90s digital cameras, which are typically worth about thirty cents today. But he's got hundreds of them, and there's a website at 640x480.com dedicated to pictures taken with these digital antiques.

Price alone doesn't determine collection addition potential.
Yeah, I will concede … there’s more than one definition for collectible. I’ve seen the guy you’re talking about and that certainly is a collection. However, by your definition all cameras are collectible really.
 
In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.
Collectable? no.
Says you. I know a number of Fuji users who collect their older gear and keep it even after getting newer models. One common use case seems to be keeping an X-T1 or E1 and using it with adapted and manual lenses, while using the newer one for AF work.

I kept my original X-100 til it died and Fuji couldn't get the new mainboard to fix it. They made me a heckuva deal on a refurb X-100T which I still have, but I was sad when they wouldn't send me back my O G X-100 to put in my display case.

With Fuji going more and more in on PASM, and the high likelihood that there will never be another X-H1 style camera with dial controls and LCD top plate (The X-T5 will probably have the EC dial instead of the screen) I don't see the H1 losing its value anytime soon. Or really, any of the others like the X-T2 and 3-still very capable photographic tools and the T3 is still very relevant for video.
Many people use older cameras and own more than one. While you can consider it a collection, Fuji digital cameras are not collectibles. Collectibles are rare and increase in value vs the original price. The X-H1 debuted at $1900. It’s now like $700. It lost a lot of value to become the good deal it is today.
A Canon FTb was, in today's dollars, $580 on its release. A good condition one with 50mm f1.4 lens is going for $200 on eBay right now.

I feel like that still counts as collectible. Just because something doesn't increase in value like, say, a Leica special edition originally marketed towards oil Sheikhs, does not mean that it isn't collectible. Lots of old cameras are are sought after as collector's items even if less than new, accounting for inflation.

There's a guy on DPR forums who collects old '90s digital cameras, which are typically worth about thirty cents today. But he's got hundreds of them, and there's a website at 640x480.com dedicated to pictures taken with these digital antiques.

Price alone doesn't determine collection addition potential.
Yeah, I will concede … there’s more than one definition for collectible. I’ve seen the guy you’re talking about and that certainly is a collection. However, by your definition all cameras are collectible really.
 
In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.
Collectable? no.
Says you. I know a number of Fuji users who collect their older gear and keep it even after getting newer models. One common use case seems to be keeping an X-T1 or E1 and using it with adapted and manual lenses, while using the newer one for AF work.

I kept my original X-100 til it died and Fuji couldn't get the new mainboard to fix it. They made me a heckuva deal on a refurb X-100T which I still have, but I was sad when they wouldn't send me back my O G X-100 to put in my display case.

With Fuji going more and more in on PASM, and the high likelihood that there will never be another X-H1 style camera with dial controls and LCD top plate (The X-T5 will probably have the EC dial instead of the screen) I don't see the H1 losing its value anytime soon. Or really, any of the others like the X-T2 and 3-still very capable photographic tools and the T3 is still very relevant for video.
Many people use older cameras and own more than one. While you can consider it a collection, Fuji digital cameras are not collectibles. Collectibles are rare and increase in value vs the original price. The X-H1 debuted at $1900. It’s now like $700. It lost a lot of value to become the good deal it is today.
A Canon FTb was, in today's dollars, $580 on its release. A good condition one with 50mm f1.4 lens is going for $200 on eBay right now.

I feel like that still counts as collectible. Just because something doesn't increase in value like, say, a Leica special edition originally marketed towards oil Sheikhs, does not mean that it isn't collectible. Lots of old cameras are are sought after as collector's items even if less than new, accounting for inflation.

There's a guy on DPR forums who collects old '90s digital cameras, which are typically worth about thirty cents today. But he's got hundreds of them, and there's a website at 640x480.com dedicated to pictures taken with these digital antiques.

Price alone doesn't determine collection addition potential.
Yeah, I will concede … there’s more than one definition for collectible. I’ve seen the guy you’re talking about and that certainly is a collection. However, by your definition all cameras are collectible really.
I’d go further and say at least some older Fuji cameras are increasing in value (and rarity) right now. The X-Pro1 is an obvious example. Back when it was still on the market it dropped to a very low price point - in fact in November 2015 I bought one as part of a bundle with two lenses which in effect meant the camera was free (that was while they were clearing stock in advance of the X-Pro2 of course).

Since then on the used market, X-Pro1’s stabilised at around £300 for a long time, and are now getting dearer - a really good condition example could easily sell for £4-500 and the mythos and “legendary” status of the model only seems to be growing, with more people seeking it out for themselves, even if they own and use more modern Fuji’s already. If that’s not collectible I don’t know what is.
I would say the X-Pro3 created that. The X-Pro3 was a polarizing camera and the X-Pro2 went up as well based on people not liking the X-Pro3. . Since the X-Pro2 went up, so did the X-Pro1. Are there a few die hard X-Pro1 fans out there? Sure. It is really being collected en masse. Not really. I know Instagram makes it seem like it.

Also, the used market in general has gone up during the pandemic. When manufacturers couldn’t deliver the latest models in sufficient quantities during the pandemic, the used market went up quickly. While some people like to collect cameras to put on a shelf, I like to think Fuji cameras are being bought for photography.

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I’d go further and say at least some older Fuji cameras are increasing in value (and rarity) right now. The X-Pro1 is an obvious example. Back when it was still on the market it dropped to a very low price point - in fact in November 2015 I bought one as part of a bundle with two lenses which in effect meant the camera was free (that was while they were clearing stock in advance of the X-Pro2 of course).

Since then on the used market, X-Pro1’s stabilised at around £300 for a long time, and are now getting dearer - a really good condition example could easily sell for £4-500 and the mythos and “legendary” status of the model only seems to be growing, with more people seeking it out for themselves, even if they own and use more modern Fuji’s already. If that’s not collectible I don’t know what is.
I just sold my X-Pro1 for $200 more than I paid for it five years ago. I suspect the fact that the X-Pro1 is one of the most photogenic photographic instruments of all time might be partially responsibility for its' on-going popularity. How else you gonna sell yer camera straps? :-)

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In addition to the valid points made by other contributors to this thread about post-pandemic supply shortages, one other aspect of Fuji cameras is how collectible they are.

Many Fuji users keep their older cameras when they upgrade because they have a nostalgic attachment to them. Other users will “miss” their X-T1, X-Pro1. X-Pro2, X-E1, etc that they previously traded in and now go seeking to replace it by buying a used one, to add to their collection.
Collectable? no.
Says you. I know a number of Fuji users who collect their older gear and keep it even after getting newer models. One common use case seems to be keeping an X-T1 or E1 and using it with adapted and manual lenses, while using the newer one for AF work.

I kept my original X-100 til it died and Fuji couldn't get the new mainboard to fix it. They made me a heckuva deal on a refurb X-100T which I still have, but I was sad when they wouldn't send me back my O G X-100 to put in my display case.

With Fuji going more and more in on PASM, and the high likelihood that there will never be another X-H1 style camera with dial controls and LCD top plate (The X-T5 will probably have the EC dial instead of the screen) I don't see the H1 losing its value anytime soon. Or really, any of the others like the X-T2 and 3-still very capable photographic tools and the T3 is still very relevant for video.
Many people use older cameras and own more than one. While you can consider it a collection, Fuji digital cameras are not collectibles. Collectibles are rare and increase in value vs the original price. The X-H1 debuted at $1900. It’s now like $700. It lost a lot of value to become the good deal it is today.
A Canon FTb was, in today's dollars, $580 on its release. A good condition one with 50mm f1.4 lens is going for $200 on eBay right now.

I feel like that still counts as collectible. Just because something doesn't increase in value like, say, a Leica special edition originally marketed towards oil Sheikhs, does not mean that it isn't collectible. Lots of old cameras are are sought after as collector's items even if less than new, accounting for inflation.

There's a guy on DPR forums who collects old '90s digital cameras, which are typically worth about thirty cents today. But he's got hundreds of them, and there's a website at 640x480.com dedicated to pictures taken with these digital antiques.

Price alone doesn't determine collection addition potential.
Yeah, I will concede … there’s more than one definition for collectible. I’ve seen the guy you’re talking about and that certainly is a collection. However, by your definition all cameras are collectible really.
I’d go further and say at least some older Fuji cameras are increasing in value (and rarity) right now. The X-Pro1 is an obvious example. Back when it was still on the market it dropped to a very low price point - in fact in November 2015 I bought one as part of a bundle with two lenses which in effect meant the camera was free (that was while they were clearing stock in advance of the X-Pro2 of course).

Since then on the used market, X-Pro1’s stabilised at around £300 for a long time, and are now getting dearer - a really good condition example could easily sell for £4-500 and the mythos and “legendary” status of the model only seems to be growing, with more people seeking it out for themselves, even if they own and use more modern Fuji’s already. If that’s not collectible I don’t know what is.
I would say the X-Pro3 created that. The X-Pro3 was a polarizing camera and the X-Pro2 went up as well based on people not liking the X-Pro3. . Since the X-Pro2 went up, so did the X-Pro1. Are there a few die hard X-Pro1 fans out there? Sure. It is really being collected en masse. Not really. I know Instagram makes it seem like it.

Also, the used market in general has gone up during the pandemic. When manufacturers couldn’t deliver the latest models in sufficient quantities during the pandemic, the used market went up quickly. While some people like to collect cameras to put on a shelf, I like to think Fuji cameras are being bought for photography.
Sorry, can’t agree. Yes the XP3 was polarising etc and has helped keep the XP2 buoyant, but thats more to do with the fact that the 2 is still a very competent camera and holds up as a decent alternative. I like the XP2, I bought an XP2 (again) recently myself, but as a working camera not a collectible or curiosity.

The X-Pro1 is different. Technologically it’s far behind both the X-Pro2 or 3, and in fact there are many “better” Fujis you can pick up for less money which are fuller featured, newer, and almost certainly better value (literally any of the X-Trans II cameras for example). But still people seek it out and pay a premium for it for its own sake. It has a growing value and attraction that’s completely out of proportion to its actual capability as a camera. That qualifies it as a collectible in my book.
 
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And in less than 24 hours, the Fuji X100S I flagged as newly in at KEH is gone. No surprise--when super-nice-condition examples in the X100 series land there, they don't usually stay long. This is probably a fair example of what some posts are pointing out in this thread. One suspects it could be a combination of collectors and market pressures triggered by the shortages.
I think as was pointed out in another thread, there's not a huge incentive to buy the lastest gen Fuji gear, plus it's constantly out of stock. So new people wanting to get into Fuji are going for older gear.
So, let me get this straight. You claim that there isn't a "huge incentive" for people to buy the latest Fuji gear, yet it appears to be "constantly out of stock." So, your suggestion here must be that Fujifilm is only building a very limited number of cameras for which there is apparently decent demand? Who knows... you might be right, but what evidence would you offer to support the contention that sales are under expectations other than yet just another opinion on the internet? The fact that you might be underwhelmed with the latest offerings doesn't necessarily suggest that sales are weak, or do you have some additional data to offer (or something I might have missed earlier) to support that contention?
Why take my word for it when the CEO himself made it abundantly clear that the camera division isn't a money maker and is likely a money loser?
So what. I expect Fujifilm is breaking even at best. However, where did he say that they were going to stop supporting the camera business? Were did he say that they were going to spin it off? Given me your reference.
Where did I say that he said either of those things?
Did you happen to forget this -


Seems to me that was written by you and it seems to be the implication you are making.

So yea, that was your point. So lets see your evidence. If you can't produce it - then what is your point?
 
And in less than 24 hours, the Fuji X100S I flagged as newly in at KEH is gone. No surprise--when super-nice-condition examples in the X100 series land there, they don't usually stay long. This is probably a fair example of what some posts are pointing out in this thread. One suspects it could be a combination of collectors and market pressures triggered by the shortages.
I think as was pointed out in another thread, there's not a huge incentive to buy the lastest gen Fuji gear, plus it's constantly out of stock. So new people wanting to get into Fuji are going for older gear.
So, let me get this straight. You claim that there isn't a "huge incentive" for people to buy the latest Fuji gear, yet it appears to be "constantly out of stock." So, your suggestion here must be that Fujifilm is only building a very limited number of cameras for which there is apparently decent demand? Who knows... you might be right, but what evidence would you offer to support the contention that sales are under expectations other than yet just another opinion on the internet? The fact that you might be underwhelmed with the latest offerings doesn't necessarily suggest that sales are weak, or do you have some additional data to offer (or something I might have missed earlier) to support that contention?
Why take my word for it when the CEO himself made it abundantly clear that the camera division isn't a money maker and is likely a money loser?
So what. I expect Fujifilm is breaking even at best. However, where did he say that they were going to stop supporting the camera business? Were did he say that they were going to spin it off? Given me your reference.
Where did I say that he said either of those things?
Did you happen to forget this -

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66511241

Seems to me that was written by you and it seems to be the implication you are making.

So yea, that was your point. So lets see your evidence. If you can't produce it - then what is your point?
 
And in less than 24 hours, the Fuji X100S I flagged as newly in at KEH is gone. No surprise--when super-nice-condition examples in the X100 series land there, they don't usually stay long. This is probably a fair example of what some posts are pointing out in this thread. One suspects it could be a combination of collectors and market pressures triggered by the shortages.
I think as was pointed out in another thread, there's not a huge incentive to buy the lastest gen Fuji gear, plus it's constantly out of stock. So new people wanting to get into Fuji are going for older gear.
So, let me get this straight. You claim that there isn't a "huge incentive" for people to buy the latest Fuji gear, yet it appears to be "constantly out of stock." So, your suggestion here must be that Fujifilm is only building a very limited number of cameras for which there is apparently decent demand? Who knows... you might be right, but what evidence would you offer to support the contention that sales are under expectations other than yet just another opinion on the internet? The fact that you might be underwhelmed with the latest offerings doesn't necessarily suggest that sales are weak, or do you have some additional data to offer (or something I might have missed earlier) to support that contention?
Why take my word for it when the CEO himself made it abundantly clear that the camera division isn't a money maker and is likely a money loser?
So what. I expect Fujifilm is breaking even at best. However, where did he say that they were going to stop supporting the camera business? Were did he say that they were going to spin it off? Given me your reference.
Where did I say that he said either of those things?
Did you happen to forget this -

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66511241

Seems to me that was written by you and it seems to be the implication you are making.

So yea, that was your point. So lets see your evidence. If you can't produce it - then what is your point?
You'll have to quote where I said it, because no where in that post do I come within a country mile of making either claim you've tried to attribute to me.
How about evidence for this quote:
Why take my word for it when the CEO himself made it abundantly clear that the camera division isn't a money maker and is likely a money loser?
 

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