Robin Wong criticises Olympus

It sounds like sour grape to me. I lost all respect for Robin Wong of late. Seeing "why I am not buying the new OM-1" right after OM System decided not to extend his contract. That was the lowest of the low, regardless of his reasoning.
I thought His reasoning was he didn't need it and couldn't justify the cost for himself? What's so wrong about that? I don't remember him bashing the camera or anything.
His video title said it all. It sticks out in such declaration from "Robin Wong". I don't remember he said in that same tone with the E-M1 X. Both OM-1 and E-M1 X are not for him, because he is a street shooter, I get that. But to make a big announcement as a title of the video to let the whole world know that "hey world! I am not buying the new OM-1", to me, that is sour grape bashing.
Notice he is saying that while admitting he does not have the OM-1.
You don't need to have the OM-1 to make such a choice.
No, but is disingenuous to title the thread why I didn't buy the OM-1 when you don't even need or understand what the OM-1 is designed for.
 
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Based on this thread about to max out I would say Robin’s video was a success! As for OMDS after reading all the posts in this thread I would place my bet on oly assets be sold off again in parts. Basically being squeezed out from the top and bottom. I don’t see building very expensive cameras around a small sensor with the lowest pixel count and smallest pitch and long glass with FF weight sustainable.

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It sounds like sour grape to me. I lost all respect for Robin Wong of late. Seeing "why I am not buying the new OM-1" right after OM System decided not to extend his contract. That was the lowest of the low, regardless of his reasoning.
This is simple, he was an ambassador before. By contract he had to be all positive for the brand. Now he isn't.

This applies to all influencers and ambassadors of any brand.
This is not true, though. Perhaps if you were an ambassador you would behave this way; but I have read several reviews by ambassadors of Olympus/OM-1 that not only say what they like about the camera/lens, but also what they would like to see improved or different. Peter Baumgarten, and Petr Bambousek immediately come to mind.
They don't really call on all the negatives because if you do that, you re out of the brand.
What negatives/improvements do they cite, and what did they miss?
This is an open ended question so I am not expecting what I will say will suffice for you as evidence, but -

- We know the menus have been overwhelmingly pointed out by multiple independent reviews. I agree with that. I think I have seen one or two ambassadors mention it in passing but that's one that's easy to miss for them somehow

- Size and weight not being as competitive as it used to be
On which models with what intended market?
- Cite that m43rds does have smaller camera body options- but missing how outdated usually those options are vs the top of the line. The EM5.3 closed some of that gap but was like 2 years late.
Yes, it was being designed, etc.
- Any fault to mention build quality issues- like the tripod issue of the EM5.3 or the rear rubber peel of the PenF or EM5.3 which have been documented by many in this forum.
He didn't mention that, nor did he have the EM-5 III which was designed to be light weight - hence plastic! Duh!
- Falling screws (happened to me on the EM5.2 actually) of the LCD- another one that has been documented here and ironically by a Lumix ambassador regarding Olympus teleconverter/lens which happened to him a few times.
Wow. These are quality control issues like other manufacturers have also. This is another example of you going off the deep end and blowing smoke.
Worse - at least a couple of ambassadors pushed the lie that the OM-1 sensor has 2 stops better ISO or DR than previous without much of a real context. One going as far as misquoting photon to photos.
Do you think that mattered to them at low ISO's any way. Several pointed out that at the high ISO end they gained two stops (Rouse for example).
I am going to stop now.
About time.You promised to leave this forum and not to keep posting the same crap over and over.
But you would have to read their reviews before voicing an opinion. Try it!
I have.
Before you had a conflict of interest in pursuit of telling it like it is. Now he doesn't. That's what changed.
Essentially all of them do say, of course, that they like Olympus equipment, that they paid for it, and that if they didn't think the gear was best for them, they would move on, just as several of them have moved from other manufacturer's gear.
Sure, and maybe in some cases that's true. But it doesn't make it any less true they have constraints and a conflict of interest in simply voicing up exact thoughts.
But they seem to have done so, the one's I cited.
Look at this guy- I forgot his name now- the portrait ambassador that I saw at the EM1X reveal myself at a local Olympus event (back then still Olympus, not OMDS) in a scheduled at the presentation video. He's no longer with the brand.
Convenient to forget his name.
It's not "convenient", it's what happened.
You are blowing smoke. I do not believe there was any such "ambassador".

But you say he is a "portrait ambassador". You should be smart enough to know that the EM-1X was not designed as a "portrait" camera.

EM1X isn't just for wildlife even though that's the new change in direction.

Why? OMDS decided to focus on wildlife. What he's heavily using now? Sony.

For portraits....... ;-) Take a look at Mike Lane's works or lokatz' here. But what is your point anyway about this unknown "ambassador".

He was a pretty known ambassador to the point that he was the one in the main video presenting the EM1X.

but I haven't checked his very latest so who knows.

I like his personality and he sure has good knowledge.

Of portaits https://www.joeedelman.com/portfolio
 
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He seems bitter his moment has passed. Easy to see why. The snapshots he takes of his breakfast and his neighborhood are what people use phones for today.
So he was a good photographer before when he spoke "positively" but now he's a bad photographer?

really.
Well no, of course,
yeah, but I was not talking to you. I was talking about the now "fallen" Robin which apparently is not a good photographer anymore, but somehow was very good before and pretty much nobody said he wasn't. What changed? :-)
but Wong's style of photography is not exactly cutting edge when it comes to technical demands on the gear.
Well no, of course, but Wong's style of photography is not exactly cutting edge when it comes to technical demands on the gear. The greatest sophistication in equipment is in wildlife and action photography. That is obviously not his forte. (full quote, not cherry-picked)
Isn't? Why wasn't this said before he left being an ambassador?
The greatest sophistication in equipment is in wildlife and action photography. That is obviously not his forte.
" things.
 
....... is that he is primarily a street and food photographer. I have yet to see any advertisements from OMDS that even mentions those types of photography.
I remember him saying he's a wedding photographer.
The Company just went away from Robin's niche, no reason to be sour that I can see. Life goes on.
He may well be, but I don’t recall him ever doing any reviews of his use of Olympus gear for weddings. Maybe I just missed them. But, even so, I’ve not seen any promos from OMDS that highlighted weddings or even portraiture as a focus for their cameras. The thrust of the OMDS advertising that I have seen is all focused on wildlife, adventure travel, and some action sports, none of which seem to be an endeavor of Robin Wong. I’m not meaning to deride Robin, I thoroughly enjoyed all of his equipment reviews over the past years.
 
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It sounds like sour grape to me. I lost all respect for Robin Wong of late. Seeing "why I am not buying the new OM-1" right after OM System decided not to extend his contract. That was the lowest of the low, regardless of his reasoning.
I thought His reasoning was he didn't need it and couldn't justify the cost for himself? What's so wrong about that? I don't remember him bashing the camera or anything.
His video title said it all. It sticks out in such declaration from "Robin Wong". I don't remember he said in that same tone with the E-M1 X. Both OM-1 and E-M1 X are not for him, because he is a street shooter, I get that. But to make a big announcement as a title of the video to let the whole world know that "hey world! I am not buying the new OM-1", to me, that is sour grape bashing.
Notice he is saying that while admitting he does not have the OM-1.
You don't need to have the OM-1 to make such a choice.
No, but is disingenuous to title the thread why I didn't buy the OM-1 when you don't even need or understand what the OM-1 is designed for.
Agreed 100%
 
Do you know the term "armchair quarterback" really mean?
Yes, I do. I just happen to disagree or not quite a agree with your assessment. That said, my issue with Robin's points is that he's bringing the points out of a context as if all of them could be easily addressed.
That is called "armchair-quarter-backing"; Wikipedia "A person who criticizes something in which they are not involved and lack expertise".
As I said, I know what the term means. And what I also said is I disagree with you. More so because not only he was an ambassador for a while, but *he also worked at the company* for a bit. He could elaborate in the video.

Now, it may still be possible that the reason is what you gave. But I don't see it as the most likely possibility.
I wish he had discussed some real world options he thought could have happened.
If Robin Wong could offer "real world options" right before Olympus revealed screw-up, he would have been CEO of something, instead of peddling street portrait photos for Olympus.
That's not how companies/real world work. You are not the CEO, and you don't have the mobility and voice inside the company to that level just by working for them.
It is easy to come out after fact, after the Olympus sell out, saying "if it was me, I would do these 5 things", which I (ME) think it's kind of chicken sheat.
I don't think he's saying what he would have done particularly, but pointing out issues. But he couldn't say these things before because he was an ambassador- or employer in that capacity.
Don't be confused of the difference between Robin's photography ability and his lack of character.
I am not.
I had and still have admired Robin's street shooting skills, but I was disappointed with his lack of character, came out and criticized things that had happened which nobody had a clue.
The so called "lack of character" that I see in the thread from some is generally the denialism and at times hypocrisy in simply praising him when he's talking positive on the brand but not now because "he's talking negative." Of course- people like that should read on the wikipedia entry on conflict of interest, and then look and see why ambassadors/influencers for a brand are not perhaps at liberty to point out some cons of a particular camera model or the brand.

Worse, at least a couple of ambassadors for the brand during the OM-1 release pushed the lie that the camera does have 2 stops improvement in ISO or dynamic range over the previous sensor- going as far as to misquote and misrepresent Cliff's photon to photos website data.

As for things that "nobody had a clue" - speak for yourself. Some of us had a bit of a clue, at least in some areas. You don't get to report constant financial loses if something's not going on, and the direction of some products.
This includes you and me. Here is another term for you, whipping-a-dead-horse.
You are not telling me anything I didn't know. I know the term.
It does not occur to me that you do.

"Conflict of interest" does not mean Robin can't tell bad things about a product, bugs or something that does not work. Any company would encourage product feedback as much as possible. Your saying "talking negative" makes no sense.
 
....... is that he is primarily a street and food photographer. I have yet to see any advertisements from OMDS that even mentions those types of photography.
I remember him saying he's a wedding photographer.
He was in his prior life. I have seen some old albums of wedding photos shot from A-Series Sony camera. Most photos shot recently with Olympus cameras were working men face street portraits.
 

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