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Hi. Have just started looking to get back into photography. Back in the day owned a Minolta maxim. Had the whole camera thing going. Separate zoom, filters etc. took some nice photos at time. Sold the camera years ago as of course technology changed. I’ve been wanting to get back into taking photos again and not just with my phone. I’m usually hiking or walking in one of the state parks by me on weekends and would like to take some good landscape photos and maybe any wildlife around. Would also like to print out some of these photos in a larger format to possibly use as photos in a room I was originally looking at some of the Panasonic Bridge cameras. Went to my local photography store to get educated. After talking he suggested the Panasonic G85. Nice camera. Like the feel and the weather proofing. His thing was won’t need to upgrade it if really get back into photography and pictures will look better because of larger sensor. Now I’m no pro. I’d have to take a class on F stops and everything again to become familiar with all the features. I would like to be able to have a nice zoom lens for some photos. So came here for some opinions if any one has used the Panasonic bridge cameras like fz 1000 etc. or the g 85. Cost does come into play at some point it looks to me like this G 85 has been around a while are there newer models that may offer more for similar cost
 
Hi. Have just started looking to get back into photography. Back in the day owned a Minolta maxim. Had the whole camera thing going. Separate zoom, filters etc. took some nice photos at time. Sold the camera years ago as of course technology changed. I’ve been wanting to get back into taking photos again and not just with my phone. I’m usually hiking or walking in one of the state parks by me on weekends and would like to take some good landscape photos and maybe any wildlife around. Would also like to print out some of these photos in a larger format to possibly use as photos in a room I was originally looking at some of the Panasonic Bridge cameras. Went to my local photography store to get educated. After talking he suggested the Panasonic G85. Nice camera. Like the feel and the weather proofing. His thing was won’t need to upgrade it if really get back into photography and pictures will look better because of larger sensor. Now I’m no pro. I’d have to take a class on F stops and everything again to become familiar with all the features. I would like to be able to have a nice zoom lens for some photos. So came here for some opinions if any one has used the Panasonic bridge cameras like fz 1000 etc. or the g 85. Cost does come into play at some point it looks to me like this G 85 has been around a while are there newer models that may offer more for similar cost
I have the slightly older model G7 and a GX80. The G85 has the softer better shutter of the GX80 with the form factor and controls of the G7. Absolutely superb in my opinion. For your intended use I would buy it with a Panasonic 14-140 zoom lens which is my favourite lens for your intended use. So much so that I have two of them [yes, my wife keeps telling me I can only use one at a time].

However, unless you buy body and lens from a reputable used dealer, the lens pushes the budget way up. As an alternative you could get the FZ1000 MkII or the more expensive Sony RX10 MkIII or MkIV which are all very versatile and competent cameras. You would be more than happy with any of these I’m sure. Personally in this case my choice would be the G85 plus 14-140 plus a spare battery and holster bag. This gives you an entry into the vast M4/3 family of equipment and lenses, which are entirely optional given that the 14-140 can do it all. The G85 has in-body image stabilisation and so has the lens which combine to give exceptional performance, and the camera has amazing 4K pre-capture, Panoramic auto stitching, post focus capture and many more features you can grow into.
 
Hard decision. There are advantages to interchangeable lens cameras, but downsides also. And even though I admit to not being a Sony fan, the RX10 looks to me to be an absolutely fantastic choice outside of the price. The Panasonic fz1000 and 2000 models are close, but shorter telephoto max would make them less attractive to me. My personal choice for similar uses is a Nikon D5500 with the latest version of the Nikon 18-300mm compact zoom. It offers a physical package virtually identical to the RX10 or FZ1000, with effective FF equivalent zoom range of 27-450mm, but with a much larger sensor providing more cropping availability.

Lots of other choices also, so hard to make recommendations. See if you can get your hands on the models you are considering as hands on satisfaction sometimes makes all the difference.

But in the end, if I felt I had the finances to handle it and was starting out fresh today, would have to really consider the RX10, it just looks like the sweet spot in overall abilities. You can go to the Sony cibershot forum here on dpr and see all kinds of fantastic photos shared by everyday users of this camera, and likewise for the Panasonic compact camera forum for photos provided by Panasonic everyday users. These photos can amaze you if you thought that big interchangeable lenses cameras were the only ultimate choices.

There are also other somewhat off the wall choices that make sense also depending on what you are after. For about the same physical size of any of the above mentioned, but about the most fun and versatile camera ever, consider the Nikon P950 which covers any imaginable lens focal length, of 24 to 2000mm in FF equivalent terms but with a small sensor that will fall short in ultimate image quality for many uses. But it can out perform some of the others at extreme telephoto ranges.

Depends on whether you are wanting to produce the most perfect image quality, or if "great enough" will make you happy.
 
Thanks for the replies. Also would prefer to keep photos in RAW vs jpeg so don’t know if that makes a difference with bridge models. The G85 I was holding g came with a lens and then was shown a zoom lens which was about 500 dollars.
 
Hard decision. There are advantages to interchangeable lens cameras, but downsides also. And even though I admit to not being a Sony fan, the RX10 looks to me to be an absolutely fantastic choice outside of the price. The Panasonic fz1000 and 2000 models are close, but shorter telephoto max would make them less attractive to me. My personal choice for similar uses is a Nikon D5500 with the latest version of the Nikon 18-300mm compact zoom. It offers a physical package virtually identical to the RX10 or FZ1000, with effective FF equivalent zoom range of 27-450mm, but with a much larger sensor providing more cropping availability.

Lots of other choices also, so hard to make recommendations. See if you can get your hands on the models you are considering as hands on satisfaction sometimes makes all the difference.

But in the end, if I felt I had the finances to handle it and was starting out fresh today, would have to really consider the RX10, it just looks like the sweet spot in overall abilities. You can go to the Sony cibershot forum here on dpr and see all kinds of fantastic photos shared by everyday users of this camera, and likewise for the Panasonic compact camera forum for photos provided by Panasonic everyday users. These photos can amaze you if you thought that big interchangeable lenses cameras were the only ultimate choices.

There are also other somewhat off the wall choices that make sense also depending on what you are after. For about the same physical size of any of the above mentioned, but about the most fun and versatile camera ever, consider the Nikon P950 which covers any imaginable lens focal length, of 24 to 2000mm in FF equivalent terms but with a small sensor that will fall short in ultimate image quality for many uses. But it can out perform some of the others at extreme telephoto ranges.

Depends on whether you are wanting to produce the most perfect image quality, or if "great enough" will make you happy.
If you think that the RX10 MkIV is expensive, you have to consider the lenses needed for interchangeable lens cameras to cover the same zoom range and suddenly the RX10 looks like good value.

My issue with the NikonP950 is that it’s a huge camera with a sensor that is not much bigger than an average smartphone’s. It has its advantages but at anything like its full zoom range, it needs fantastically good light to make good images together with a subject that is closer than most people may imagine to avoid haze etc. That being said, it has a few fans, I do know, and it might well tickle the OP’s fancy. We are all different.
 
Thanks for the replies. Also would prefer to keep photos in RAW vs jpeg so don’t know if that makes a difference with bridge models. The G85 I was holding g came with a lens and then was shown a zoom lens which was about 500 dollars.
The bridge cameras and all that you would be interested in do have the facility to shoot in various compressions and styles of JPEG and raw, either singly or a recording of both simultaneously.

The usual kit lens on the G85 would be the 14-42 [28-82 full frame equivalent field of view]. There is a vast choice of complementary zoom lenses to choose from at various price points.
 
Thanks for the replies. Also would prefer to keep photos in RAW vs jpeg so don’t know if that makes a difference with bridge models. The G85 I was holding g came with a lens and then was shown a zoom lens which was about 500 dollars.
The bridge cameras and all that you would be interested in do have the facility to shoot in various compressions and styles of JPEG and raw, either singly or a recording of both simultaneously.

The usual kit lens on the G85 would be the 14-42 [28-82 full frame equivalent field of view]. There is a vast choice of complementary zoom lenses to choose from at various price points.
I suppose the 14~42 f/3.5-5.6 mk-II could be a kit lens of the older models like G7.

I suppose 12~60 f/3.5-5.6 is usually the most common kit lens of G85.

Despite it is a kit class lens, it is one of the latest fabulous low cost lens from Panasonic which has IQ not far behind it's blue blood brother: Lecia 12~60 f/2.8-4.

Has an equivalent AoV of 24~120mm of FF, it covers from wide angle (landscape) to short tele (portrait) covering most general shooting without much lens swapping needs. It is relatively small, light weight and weather sealed.

While the 14~42 mk-II could be among the sharpest of its class within M43 system, it is relatively short and not wide enough. 12~60 might be a sweet spot of this class of lens IMHO.

Although 12~60 is not a fast lens (f/3.5-5.6), thanks to the DUAL IS 2 comparability on G85, if slower shutter speed could be used (for more static object) it is a lot more than a day light lens.

To OP:

before everything I shall ask myself do I have problem to swap lens?

If YES, any ILC system could be ruled out. A superzoom bridge compact camera could be your better option. My wife hated to swap lens in the field, so I bought her a 14~140 to reduce lens swapping.

If NO, then would you like to do a wide vierty of shooting? This will be closely related to the lens option of the camera. No matter how big zoom range a fixed camera can be, it is what you have. No matter you will need wider, longer, or a special purpose lens, or a faster lens, only an ILC system can satisfy you (of course the more extreme/higher quality lens would mean more money). Mind you, if you will stay with the same system any lenses you bought could be reused on later upgrades.

Another rational behind is if I wish to go compact, I cannot reduce the size of those superzoom bridge camera to a smaller size package. For G85 (or other OLC system), I could put on a 20 f/1.7 or 12~32... :-)
 
Thanks for the replies. Also would prefer to keep photos in RAW vs jpeg so don’t know if that makes a difference with bridge models. The G85 I was holding g came with a lens and then was shown a zoom lens which was about 500 dollars.
The bridge cameras and all that you would be interested in do have the facility to shoot in various compressions and styles of JPEG and raw, either singly or a recording of both simultaneously.

The usual kit lens on the G85 would be the 14-42 [28-82 full frame equivalent field of view]. There is a vast choice of complementary zoom lenses to choose from at various price points.
I suppose the 14~42 f/3.5-5.6 mk-II could be a kit lens of the older models like G7.

I suppose 12~60 f/3.5-5.6 is usually the most common kit lens of G85.

Despite it is a kit class lens, it is one of the latest fabulous low cost lens from Panasonic which has IQ not far behind it's blue blood brother: Lecia 12~60 f/2.8-4.

Has an equivalent AoV of 24~120mm of FF, it covers from wide angle (landscape) to short tele (portrait) covering most general shooting without much lens swapping needs. It is relatively small, light weight and weather sealed.

While the 14~42 mk-II could be among the sharpest of its class within M43 system, it is relatively short and not wide enough. 12~60 might be a sweet spot of this class of lens IMHO.

Although 12~60 is not a fast lens (f/3.5-5.6), thanks to the DUAL IS 2 comparability on G85, if slower shutter speed could be used (for more static object) it is a lot more than a day light lens.

To OP:

before everything I shall ask myself do I have problem to swap lens?

If YES, any ILC system could be ruled out. A superzoom bridge compact camera could be your better option. My wife hated to swap lens in the field, so I bought her a 14~140 to reduce lens swapping.

If NO, then would you like to do a wide vierty of shooting? This will be closely related to the lens option of the camera. No matter how big zoom range a fixed camera can be, it is what you have. No matter you will need wider, longer, or a special purpose lens, or a faster lens, only an ILC system can satisfy you (of course the more extreme/higher quality lens would mean more money). Mind you, if you will stay with the same system any lenses you bought could be reused on later upgrades.

Another rational behind is if I wish to go compact, I cannot reduce the size of those superzoom bridge camera to a smaller size package. For G85 (or other OLC system), I could put on a 20 f/1.7 or 12~32... :-)
Yes, I agree.

It depends on where you are as to what kit lenses are available I think. When I bought both my G6’s [I had two but sold one] and G7, the choices in the UK were, body only, body and 14-42 [the smaller one] or body and 14-140. Obviously at different prices. Currently the G80 is being sold in the UK by Amazon with the 12-60 lens for a relatively bargain price of £550
 
All great points. I don’t mind changing lenses. I don’t know if I would be able to spend money on a lot of different lenses. Hence leaning towards a bridge. I was looking at different models again online to read specs etc. liked the DMC-FZ2500 as seemed to have decent size sensor with good zoom.
 
All great points. I don’t mind changing lenses. I don’t know if I would be able to spend money on a lot of different lenses. Hence leaning towards a bridge. I was looking at different models again online to read specs etc. liked the DMC-FZ2500 as seemed to have decent size sensor with good zoom.
The FZ2500 has some video-centric advantages ... (especially built-in ND filters).

But the FZ1000-II has a better menu and some unique new features.

They include "Post-Stacking Focus", (for unlimited DOF close-ups).

and

"Pre-Capture" ... a new paradigm for action/sports photography to enable capturing the "peak" of action AFTER the "peak".

But I can agree with the suggestion for either one ...
 
Hi. Have just started looking to get back into photography. Back in the day owned a Minolta maxim. Had the whole camera thing going. Separate zoom, filters etc. took some nice photos at time. Sold the camera years ago as of course technology changed. I’ve been wanting to get back into taking photos again and not just with my phone. I’m usually hiking or walking in one of the state parks by me on weekends and would like to take some good landscape photos and maybe any wildlife around. Would also like to print out some of these photos in a larger format to possibly use as photos in a room I was originally looking at some of the Panasonic Bridge cameras. Went to my local photography store to get educated. After talking he suggested the Panasonic G85. Nice camera. Like the feel and the weather proofing. His thing was won’t need to upgrade it if really get back into photography and pictures will look better because of larger sensor. Now I’m no pro. I’d have to take a class on F stops and everything again to become familiar with all the features. I would like to be able to have a nice zoom lens for some photos. So came here for some opinions if any one has used the Panasonic bridge cameras like fz 1000 etc. or the g 85. Cost does come into play at some point it looks to me like this G 85 has been around a while are there newer models that may offer more for similar cost
Andrew, welcome back to the wonderful world of photography.

Let me tell you my little story as I was transitioning to digital.

I'd been shooting with SLR's since the 60's. I was a holdout but by the 2000 the writing was on the wall for film. I had shot semi-pro most of my adult life and here comes this thing called digital. So just to try it out I bought a $300 or so Nikon Coolpix. I was going to take a big vacation and was looking forward to traveling with one camera that seemed like it could pretty much do it all. Wide angle and 16x digi zoom! I'd never traveled with just one camera before and no lenses, the thought of being unencumbered seemed unreal compared to before. With good light I got great shots. But when I tried to get creative or it got to dark I was failing pretty miserably. I wasn't used to that kind of failure because of my gear. No sooner did I get back I was researching REAL cameras and REAL lenses. There just was no free lunch, no eat your cake and eat it too with one piece of gear! I needed REAL gear to do REAL photography. A P&S with no tripod was not REAL gear!

I hope the gear you get will do everything you're looking forward accomplish with your photography! Good luck

John
 
Hi. Have just started looking to get back into photography. Back in the day owned a Minolta maxim. Had the whole camera thing going. Separate zoom, filters etc. took some nice photos at time. Sold the camera years ago as of course technology changed. I’ve been wanting to get back into taking photos again and not just with my phone. I’m usually hiking or walking in one of the state parks by me on weekends and would like to take some good landscape photos and maybe any wildlife around. Would also like to print out some of these photos in a larger format to possibly use as photos in a room I was originally looking at some of the Panasonic Bridge cameras. Went to my local photography store to get educated. After talking he suggested the Panasonic G85. Nice camera. Like the feel and the weather proofing. His thing was won’t need to upgrade it if really get back into photography and pictures will look better because of larger sensor. Now I’m no pro. I’d have to take a class on F stops and everything again to become familiar with all the features. I would like to be able to have a nice zoom lens for some photos. So came here for some opinions if any one has used the Panasonic bridge cameras like fz 1000 etc. or the g 85. Cost does come into play at some point it looks to me like this G 85 has been around a while are there newer models that may offer more for similar cost
Andrew, welcome back to the wonderful world of photography.

Let me tell you my little story as I was transitioning to digital.

I'd been shooting with SLR's since the 60's. I was a holdout but by the 2000 the writing was on the wall for film. I had shot semi-pro most of my adult life and here comes this thing called digital. So just to try it out I bought a $300 or so Nikon Coolpix. I was going to take a big vacation and was looking forward to traveling with one camera that seemed like it could pretty much do it all. Wide angle and 16x digi zoom! I'd never traveled with just one camera before and no lenses, the thought of being unencumbered seemed unreal compared to before. With good light I got great shots. But when I tried to get creative or it got to dark I was failing pretty miserably. I wasn't used to that kind of failure because of my gear. No sooner did I get back I was researching REAL cameras and REAL lenses. There just was no free lunch, no eat your cake and eat it too with one piece of gear! I needed REAL gear to do REAL photography. A P&S with no tripod was not REAL gear!
Interesting.

However you might wish to taste the latest in-camera stablization, either IBIS, lens IS or even a combination of both. As long as you will not shoot with crazy slow shutter speed, says a second or slower, most in-camera stability system could allow you crispy sharp focus output on handholding.

I have quite a few tripods and monopods since my film slr era and also accumulated over the years, but they are rarely been used in recent years because of their incredible stablization unless I need to do long exposure...

Also the flash gun.

Technology has improved quickly.
I hope the gear you get will do everything you're looking forward accomplish with your photography! Good luck

John
 
I have both. I have the Panasonic G85 with two or three lenses: my walkabout lens is the 14-140 (i.e. 28 -280 equiv) , and I also have the Sony RX100 vii which has 24-200 equiv.

They are just different. Each has some clever features that the other lacks, but I think that they produce photos of comparable quality. The ergonomics of the G85 are better because the body is bigger, but I got the Sony because of its great portability.

If I were leaving the house and had to grab a camera in case a photo opportunity comes up, I'd grab the Sony
 
Do check on the availability of some models mentioned. Due to component shortages and consolidation of the market, some have been unavailable for a while. Some models previously on hold are now being reintroduced as well.
 
One of the important differences between Interchange Lens Cameras (ILC) and bridge cameras is the "shooting envelope". That's the range of images the camera can capture.

You want to get a camera that has a large enough shooting envelope to capture the images you want. You don't need to worry about the ability to capture other types of images.

As a general rule you get the same image with the same subject, aperture diameter, and shutter speed. This is independent of sensor size. By "same image", I mean same depth of field, motion blur and overall image noise.

The advantage of larger sensor cameras is that the generally allow you the option of using larger aperture diameters, which yield shallower depth of field and the associated better low light performance. While some photographers love the look of very shallow depth of field, it isn't for everyone. If you don't need it, then you don't need a camera that provides it.

An advantage of an ILC is that you can change lenses. If you decide you want a wide angle lens, a macro lens for very close focusing, a fisheye lens, a probe lens, or other specialty lens, then you can get one. If you are not interested in that sort of thing, then you don't need an ILC.

An advantage of an all-on-one camera is that it is convenient, light weight, and tends to be more affordable. If you can find one that covers the shooting envelope you are interested in, then they can be an excellent option.

Consider the RX10-IV. It's roughly a 3X crop body. The actual focal range of the lens is somewhere around 8mm to 200mm, and it has a relative aperture range of f/2 to f/4.4. This camera covers a reasonable shooting range, and can be a good choice for many.

Aperture diameter is the focal length divided by the f/stop. At the wide end the RX10-IV lens has a 4mm aperture diameter (8mm/4). At the telephoto end it has a 45mm aperture diameter (200mm/4.4).

It's a crop body, and that lens offers the same angle of view as you would get with a 600mm lens on a full frame. A 45mm aperture diameter on a 600mm lens would be about f/13.2. Therefore, we know that the 200mm f/4.4 lens on the RX10-IV is going to give us the same results as a 600mm f/13.2 lens on a full frame.

Some people are under the impression that with a full frame body, you would need to spend $12,000 on a 600mm f/4 lens in order to match the results of the RX10-IV. That's not the case.

A sigma 150-600mm f/6.3 lens for a full frame is around $850. That not only matches the results, it's a few stops faster than the RX10-IV (in this context "faster" means it lets in more total light, allowing faster shutter speeds without objectionable noise).

You can find a Canon EF 75-300mm F/4-5.6 for under $250. You can find third party 2X teleconverters for around $250. Combine the two, and for $500 you get a 600mm f/11 lens. That's a hair faster than the RX10-IV.

Obviously, it can be more convieninet to use a built in lens with a wide range. But it's convenience you are getting, not exceptional performance.

.

Personally, I think you need to think about where you might want to go with your photography, and what you enjoy. If you think you might like to try strange lenses, then you should consider an ILC. If you like playing with gear, and like being able to find the right combination of body, lens, accessories, flash, etc., then you should look at an ILC from a brand with a large ecosystem.

If you want to concentrate on your images, and not the gear, and the images you want to shoot fall into the shooting envelope of a bridge camera, then that can be an excellent choice.
 
That was a great reply. I think I over think things sometimes especially when seeing a lot of money. I basically want to be able to grab my camera a take some nice shots of the landscape and nature I see in my area which has a lot of state parks. I would like to be able to get a nice size photo printed up if I have a great shot. Something I may hang in my living room. I assume then a bigger sensor would be better. I did once in a while do some macro stuff if came across a flower wanted a close up of. Don’t know if any bridge cameras do that as well. I know photography cam be subjective at times I’d like to have good color and saturation in photos. I don’t think I would be doing a lot of night shots though once in a while I have taken my iPhone out to shoot a picture of the moon in the sky by me because it looked like a great shot to have lol. I’ll keep researching on here and looking at some real images with the cameras that have been talked about. Video I can do with my phone so not as important. Although nice to take a video and pull a photo from it and the post focus I’ve seen on Panasonics is interesting
 
That was a great reply. I think I over think things sometimes especially when seeing a lot of money. I basically want to be able to grab my camera a take some nice shots of the landscape and nature I see in my area which has a lot of state parks. I would like to be able to get a nice size photo printed up if I have a great shot. Something I may hang in my living room. I assume then a bigger sensor would be better. I did once in a while do some macro stuff if came across a flower wanted a close up of. Don’t know if any bridge cameras do that as well. I know photography cam be subjective at times I’d like to have good color and saturation in photos. I don’t think I would be doing a lot of night shots though once in a while I have taken my iPhone out to shoot a picture of the moon in the sky by me because it looked like a great shot to have lol. I’ll keep researching on here and looking at some real images with the cameras that have been talked about. Video I can do with my phone so not as important. Although nice to take a video and pull a photo from it and the post focus I’ve seen on Panasonics is interesting
I have some good news for you. You should get good color from just about any current model camera. Either bridge, DSLR, or mirrorless.

In terms of big prints the issue is going to be sharpness and lens quality. The wider the zoom range, the harder it is to maintain quality across the entire zoom range.

For instance a 24mm to 70mm zoom has a zoom range of about 3X (70/24 is about 2.9, which is close to 3). A 28mm to 300mm lens has about an 11X zoom range.

With larger zoom ranges you may find that you need to spend a lot of money, or you may sacrifice some quality. Again, it all depends on how much quality you need. For instance, large prints tend to be viewed from a greater viewing distance. If an image looks good in an 8x10 print, it may very well look good as a 16x20 print, as you will likely view the 16x20 from further away. That's not a hard and fast rule, so you need to keep in mind the quality that you will require.

If you are using a bridge camera, I would suggest going online to find sample images to make sure you are happy with the quality. Make sure you look at images from the short end, middle, and the long end of the zoom. More than likely, you will be happy with the results. But that's the sort of thing you want to know before you spend your money.

Keep in mind that recent iPhones can produce great quality with good light. Even with poor light, they have some amazing techniques to produce reasonable images, even with low light.

High end iPhones have Lidar scanners and can capture a depth map of the scene. This makes it easier to emulate a realistic shallow depth of field.

High end iPhones also allow you to "pull focus" on a video, even after it has been shot. What the iPhone lacks in optics, it makes up for in intelligent processing.

The bottom line is that you have a lot of choices out there that will produce good quality images. Think about how you envision yourself shooting, and what you want to shoot. Then buy the camera that best fits into that scenario.

Personally, I love shooting with DSLRs. I have full frame and crop bodies, and a wide selection of compatible lenses that I have collected over the last 30 years. I have even older lenses that I could use, but I don't bother with. I have a smaller crop body with an 18-135 lens for my everyday casual shooting. I have a full frame 50 megapixel body with expensive lenses that I use for paid studio shoots. I like being able to pick the body/lens combination that's best suited for the day's shooting. But that's just me. That sort of craziness would drive some people crazy.

Pick the camera that meets your needs. I suspect your needs are not the same as mine.
 
One of the important differences between Interchange Lens Cameras (ILC) and bridge cameras is the "shooting envelope". That's the range of images the camera can capture.

You want to get a camera that has a large enough shooting envelope to capture the images you want. You don't need to worry about the ability to capture other types of images.

As a general rule you get the same image with the same subject, aperture diameter, and shutter speed. This is independent of sensor size. By "same image", I mean same depth of field, motion blur and overall image noise.

The advantage of larger sensor cameras is that the generally allow you the option of using larger aperture diameters, which yield shallower depth of field and the associated better low light performance. While some photographers love the look of very shallow depth of field, it isn't for everyone. If you don't need it, then you don't need a camera that provides it.

An advantage of an ILC is that you can change lenses. If you decide you want a wide angle lens, a macro lens for very close focusing, a fisheye lens, a probe lens, or other specialty lens, then you can get one. If you are not interested in that sort of thing, then you don't need an ILC.

An advantage of an all-on-one camera is that it is convenient, light weight, and tends to be more affordable. If you can find one that covers the shooting envelope you are interested in, then they can be an excellent option.

Consider the RX10-IV. It's roughly a 3X crop body. The actual focal range of the lens is somewhere around 8mm to 200mm, and it has a relative aperture range of f/2 to f/4.4. This camera covers a reasonable shooting range, and can be a good choice for many.

Aperture diameter is the focal length divided by the f/stop. At the wide end the RX10-IV lens has a 4mm aperture diameter (8mm/4). At the telephoto end it has a 45mm aperture diameter (200mm/4.4).

It's a crop body, and that lens offers the same angle of view as you would get with a 600mm lens on a full frame. A 45mm aperture diameter on a 600mm lens would be about f/13.2. Therefore, we know that the 200mm f/4.4 lens on the RX10-IV is going to give us the same results as a 600mm f/13.2 lens on a full frame.
Very-Very Misleading ...

It is a f/2.4 to f/4
Some people are under the impression that with a full frame body, you would need to spend $12,000 on a 600mm f/4 lens in order to match the results of the RX10-IV. That's not the case.
If I have a (FF) dSLR and I shoot a shot (aka of a bird @ 600mm) and I want to shoot ISO-100 (for lowest noise), and 1/2000s (to stop/freeze the bird), I may indeed want/need that ($12,000) f/4.

I can then get the RX10-IV and use the EXACT same exposure settings, (aka 600mm-EFL f/4).

I can shoot that because the lens is indeed f/2.4 to f/4.

The ONLY thing different is that I will indeed have a deeper DOF, and relatively higher-noise, (but effectively NO-noise until it becomes noticeably-objectionable).
A sigma 150-600mm f/6.3 lens for a full frame is around $850 ($899). That not only matches the results, it's a few stops faster than the RX10-IV (in this context "faster" means it lets in more total light, allowing faster shutter speeds without objectionable noise).
Again mis-leading because f/6.3 would REQUIRE (on FF dSLR) either a longer shutter-speed or higher-ISO.

(note that the obvious choice would be higher-ISO with a higher-chance of noticeably-objectionable noise)

But there is even more to the story ... because the RX10-IV lens is a ZEISS and well acknowledged to be extremely sharp, (especially at full-tele where the others tend to be softer).

It also ignores that the RX10-IV has a (unique) "stacked" sensor that enables 24fps and a (fastest in class) 9-34ms shutter-lag/Auto-Focus
You can find a Canon EF 75-300mm F/4-5.6 for under $250. You can find third party 2X teleconverters for around $250. Combine the two, and for $500 you get a 600mm f/11 lens. That's a hair faster than the RX10-IV.
Nope .. RX10-IV is f/2.4 to f/4

And tele-convertors contribute to un-sharpness, avoid if at all possible.
Obviously, it can be more convieninet to use a built in lens with a wide range. But it's convenience you are getting, not exceptional performance.
Again, not necessarily true ... but even if it was ... "SPEED and CONVENIENCE" is a big-deal and very-very often means the difference between getting a photo when there was no-time to carry & change lenses.
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Personally, I think you need to think about where you might want to go with your photography, and what you enjoy. If you think you might like to try strange lenses, then you should consider an ILC. If you like playing with gear, and like being able to find the right combination of body, lens, accessories, flash, etc., then you should look at an ILC from a brand with a large ecosystem.

If you want to concentrate on your images, and not the gear, and the images you want to shoot fall into the shooting envelope of a bridge camera, then that can be an excellent choice.
I agree ...
 
One of the important differences between Interchange Lens Cameras (ILC) and bridge cameras is the "shooting envelope". That's the range of images the camera can capture.

You want to get a camera that has a large enough shooting envelope to capture the images you want. You don't need to worry about the ability to capture other types of images.

As a general rule you get the same image with the same subject, aperture diameter, and shutter speed. This is independent of sensor size. By "same image", I mean same depth of field, motion blur and overall image noise.

The advantage of larger sensor cameras is that the generally allow you the option of using larger aperture diameters, which yield shallower depth of field and the associated better low light performance. While some photographers love the look of very shallow depth of field, it isn't for everyone. If you don't need it, then you don't need a camera that provides it.

An advantage of an ILC is that you can change lenses. If you decide you want a wide angle lens, a macro lens for very close focusing, a fisheye lens, a probe lens, or other specialty lens, then you can get one. If you are not interested in that sort of thing, then you don't need an ILC.

An advantage of an all-on-one camera is that it is convenient, light weight, and tends to be more affordable. If you can find one that covers the shooting envelope you are interested in, then they can be an excellent option.

Consider the RX10-IV. It's roughly a 3X crop body. The actual focal range of the lens is somewhere around 8mm to 200mm, and it has a relative aperture range of f/2 to f/4.4. This camera covers a reasonable shooting range, and can be a good choice for many.

Aperture diameter is the focal length divided by the f/stop. At the wide end the RX10-IV lens has a 4mm aperture diameter (8mm/4). At the telephoto end it has a 45mm aperture diameter (200mm/4.4).

It's a crop body, and that lens offers the same angle of view as you would get with a 600mm lens on a full frame. A 45mm aperture diameter on a 600mm lens would be about f/13.2. Therefore, we know that the 200mm f/4.4 lens on the RX10-IV is going to give us the same results as a 600mm f/13.2 lens on a full frame.
Very-Very Misleading ...

It is a f/2.4 to f/4
Sorry. Let me correct my statement to "200mm at f/4 on a 3X crop body will give us the same results as 600mm f/12 on a full frame."
Some people are under the impression that with a full frame body, you would need to spend $12,000 on a 600mm f/4 lens in order to match the results of the RX10-IV. That's not the case.
If I have a (FF) dSLR and I shoot a shot (aka of a bird @ 600mm) and I want to shoot ISO-100 (for lowest noise), and 1/2000s (to stop/freeze the bird), I may indeed want/need that ($12,000) f/4.

I can then get the RX10-IV and use the EXACT same exposure settings, (aka 600mm-EFL f/4).
Now you are being "misleading". You seem to be implying that the same exposure will get you the same results. You are also mixing effective and actual settings to give an incorrect impression of what the results will be.

If you want to talk actual numbers, the RX10 has a 200mm f/4 lens. That's a 50mm max aperture diameter.

If your concern is the resulting image, you can match that result on a full frame with a 600mm f/12 lens (also a 50mm max aperture diameter).

Yes, you would need a higher ISO setting on the full frame. But even with that higher ISO setting, you would get the same image noise from the full frame as you would from the RX10 at ISO 100.

But if you want to use the same settings on the full frame, your full frame should also have a 200mm f/4 lens. You can then crop the image from the full frame to match your RX10, and you will get the same results in terms of image noise, depth of field etc.

Now, if you want to mislead people, you can choose to use the equivalent focal length on the full frame, but not the equivalent ISO or equivalent aperture.
I can shoot that because the lens is indeed f/2.4 to f/4.

The ONLY thing different is that I will indeed have a deeper DOF, and relatively higher-noise, (but effectively NO-noise until it becomes noticeably-objectionable).
To be fair, you could have stopped the full frame 600mm lens down to f/12. Then you would have the same depth of field, and same image noise of the RX10.

Your complaint with the full frame, is that if you choose to use a wider aperture diameter, you get shallower depth of field.

If your concern is depth of field, why on earth would you choose to use a smaller aperture diameter?
A sigma 150-600mm f/6.3 lens for a full frame is around $850 ($899). That not only matches the results, it's a few stops faster than the RX10-IV (in this context "faster" means it lets in more total light, allowing faster shutter speeds without objectionable noise).
Again mis-leading because f/6.3 would REQUIRE (on FF dSLR) either a longer shutter-speed or higher-ISO.
With a full frame, at the same aperture diameter you would use a higher ISO. At that higher ISO the noise of the full frame would match the noise of the crop body.

As you have made clear, you are fine with that noise level.

Again, if your concern is depth of field, and you are happy with the noise level on the RX10, why on earth would you choose to shoot the full frame with shallower depth of field and lower noise?

Where are you getting the idea that you should choose the same ISO and same aperture independent of sensor size? You seem to understand that you should use a different focal length for different sensor sizes, what's your issue where you feel compelled to change focal lengths but nothing else?
(note that the obvious choice would be higher-ISO with a higher-chance of noticeably-objectionable noise)

But there is even more to the story ... because the RX10-IV lens is a ZEISS and well acknowledged to be extremely sharp, (especially at full-tele where the others tend to be softer).

It also ignores that the RX10-IV has a (unique) "stacked" sensor that enables 24fps and a (fastest in class) 9-34ms shutter-lag/Auto-Focus
No one denies that there are advantages to the RX10. However those advantages don't include deeper depth of field.
You can find a Canon EF 75-300mm F/4-5.6 for under $250. You can find third party 2X teleconverters for around $250. Combine the two, and for $500 you get a 600mm f/11 lens. That's a hair faster than the RX10-IV.
Nope .. RX10-IV is f/2.4 to f/4

And tele-convertors contribute to un-sharpness, avoid if at all possible.
To be fair wide zoom ranges (i.e. 10X), also contribute to un-sharpness. Some suggested avoiding those when possible.
Obviously, it can be more convieninet to use a built in lens with a wide range. But it's convenience you are getting, not exceptional performance.
Again, not necessarily true ... but even if it was ... "SPEED and CONVENIENCE" is a big-deal and very-very often means the difference between getting a photo when there was no-time to carry & change lenses.
Here's the deal. You seem to think that bridge cameras score better by every metric. That's not the case. They have advantages and disadvantages.

You want to point out they are convieninet. I don't have an issue with that.

You want to claim they offer deeper depth of field. That I have an issue with, because that's just plain incorrect.

You want to claim that post processing can be used to address some of the limitations of a small sensor. I have no problem with that. However, that post processing can also be used to improve images from a full frame. Thus this doesn't change the fact that the larger sensor offers a wider shooting envelope.

You want to claim that bridge cameras are smaller and easier to carry. I agree. However, I disagree that this advantage outweighs all other limitations in the general case.

Let's focus on the actual advantages and disadvantages, and not jump to conclusions on which is better for someone else.
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Personally, I think you need to think about where you might want to go with your photography, and what you enjoy. If you think you might like to try strange lenses, then you should consider an ILC. If you like playing with gear, and like being able to find the right combination of body, lens, accessories, flash, etc., then you should look at an ILC from a brand with a large ecosystem.

If you want to concentrate on your images, and not the gear, and the images you want to shoot fall into the shooting envelope of a bridge camera, then that can be an excellent choice.
I agree ...
 

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