Xiaomi 12S Ultra with 1-inch main sensor part 2

dazed1 · Sep 5, 2022

Parisian said:
has anyone done a heic vs jpg quality comparison on xiaomi 12s ultra? I wonder if there's any drop in quality by using HEIC?

Also which is the telegram channel to follow for new XML updates on 12SU Gcam?

lastly, I'm curious how the intermediate zoom works. E.g. in 2x mode, does it simply do a crop + interpolation OR does it apply some smart algorithm and mix the 1x and 5x sensors to give a better output like Huawei? Knowing this will give me more confidence to use the in-between zoom levels even though it's not recommended.

This 2, usually if there is a major update ill share it, here is the latest i use, nothing major changed, but still some small improvements

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Its DSLR like output, very low sharpening, and organic processing, works best when used with shutter speed around 1/15 ~ 1/4 in low light condition

Parisian · Sep 5, 2022

dazed1 said:
Parisian said:

has anyone done a heic vs jpg quality comparison on xiaomi 12s ultra? I wonder if there's any drop in quality by using HEIC?

Also which is the telegram channel to follow for new XML updates on 12SU Gcam?

lastly, I'm curious how the intermediate zoom works. E.g. in 2x mode, does it simply do a crop + interpolation OR does it apply some smart algorithm and mix the 1x and 5x sensors to give a better output like Huawei? Knowing this will give me more confidence to use the in-between zoom levels even though it's not recommended.

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This 2, usually if there is a major update ill share it, here is the latest i use, nothing major changed, but still some small improvements

https://files.fm/f/4ps76m7sb

Its DSLR like output, very low sharpening, and organic processing, works best when used with shutter speed around 1/15 ~ 1/4 in low light condition

Hi! do you mind sharing the telegram invite link please? I tried googling but couldn't find these 2 groups publicly.

Which group do you get it from if we want photos that are "ready for social media"?

Does this also mean you use the native cam when in brightly lit conditions? Would love a XML that can handle huge group photos in backlit conditions well too.

dazed1 · Sep 5, 2022

Parisian said:
dazed1 said:

Parisian said:

has anyone done a heic vs jpg quality comparison on xiaomi 12s ultra? I wonder if there's any drop in quality by using HEIC?

Also which is the telegram channel to follow for new XML updates on 12SU Gcam?

lastly, I'm curious how the intermediate zoom works. E.g. in 2x mode, does it simply do a crop + interpolation OR does it apply some smart algorithm and mix the 1x and 5x sensors to give a better output like Huawei? Knowing this will give me more confidence to use the in-between zoom levels even though it's not recommended.

Click to expand...

This 2, usually if there is a major update ill share it, here is the latest i use, nothing major changed, but still some small improvements

https://files.fm/f/4ps76m7sb

Its DSLR like output, very low sharpening, and organic processing, works best when used with shutter speed around 1/15 ~ 1/4 in low light condition

Click to expand...

Hi! do you mind sharing the telegram invite link please? I tried googling but couldn't find these 2 groups publicly.

Which group do you get it from if we want photos that are "ready for social media"?

Does this also mean you use the native cam when in brightly lit conditions? Would love a XML that can handle huge group photos in backlit conditions well too.

Im not sure if its allowed to share links here, send me a pm.

GCAM community stirs away from most social media ready like photos, we like organic DSLR like photos, sorry. Increase sharpness, saturation, contrast, and clarity if you want to achieve that look.

JaczZ · Sep 6, 2022

Drzewoid said:
I think this difference comes from XML and settings, not device and sensor. Same LIB and settings - MI10 Ultra vs 12 S Ultra.

MI10 Ultra

12 S Ultra

And finally if someone is interested how P40 PRO competite with both phone - i think not bad

Thanks for the real life photo comparisons between different phone models! The 3 above are all impressive at 1:1 view even at this crazy image size level (48 MPix and 50 MPix).

In terms of shutter lag, time required to hold the phones still while taking the scene, and post processing time, how does the Mi 12S U compared with Mi 10 U and P40 Pro?

Also, I heard P40 Pro can only take this level of detail at 50 MPix on static, bright scene. Can Mi 12S U have the same quality on more challenging scenes at 48 MPix?

dazed1 · Sep 6, 2022

JaczZ said:
shutter lag, time required to hold the phones still while taking the scene, and post processing time, how does the Mi 12S U compared with Mi 10 U and P40 Pro?

It blows them away. 12SU even in night mode/low light, finishing the scene in like 1/2 second, to 1 second on average. In extreme low light its 3 seconds vs other phones@7+

_vlad · Sep 7, 2022

dazed1 said:
JaczZ said:

shutter lag, time required to hold the phones still while taking the scene, and post processing time, how does the Mi 12S U compared with Mi 10 U and P40 Pro?

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It blows them away. 12SU even in night mode/low light, finishing the scene in like 1/2 second, to 1 second on average. In extreme low light its 3 seconds vs other phones@7+

Well - I do not know where from you got those numbers - just tested it - M40P in pretty no light (actually ISO 409000 and SS 0,4s - is it enough low?) when I actually did not see anything on the display, was less than 3 secs - from pressing the shutter button +focus+shutter lag+processing+writing to memory inclusive.

Nevertheless question is repeatability and reliability of focusing - but there is the same question with XIA as with HUA. AFAIk XIA is certainly not on the top.

Just my 0,02$

JaczZ · Sep 7, 2022

_vlad said:
dazed1 said:

JaczZ said:

shutter lag, time required to hold the phones still while taking the scene, and post processing time, how does the Mi 12S U compared with Mi 10 U and P40 Pro?

Click to expand...

It blows them away. 12SU even in night mode/low light, finishing the scene in like 1/2 second, to 1 second on average. In extreme low light its 3 seconds vs other phones@7+

Click to expand...

Well - I do not know where from you got those numbers - just tested it - M40P in pretty no light (actually ISO 409000 and SS 0,4s - is it enough low?) when I actually did not see anything on the display, was less than 3 secs - from pressing the shutter button +focus+shutter lag+processing+writing to memory inclusive.

Nevertheless question is repeatability and reliability of focusing - but there is the same question with XIA as with HUA. AFAIk XIA is certainly not on the top.

Just my 0,02$

I think dazed1 might be referring to taking such detailed photo at 48/50 MPix?

For HUA, under the high res AI mode which produces good quality for 50 MPix, I read that you need to hold the phone steady for 3s to take in the scene, and then another 7s for the phone to process. Does this sound familiar with M40P?

If 12SU takes total 1 second only from pressing shutter to producing such great quality high res photo, this is a big difference and makes the mode that much more usable.

dazed1 · Sep 8, 2022

_vlad said:
dazed1 said:

JaczZ said:

shutter lag, time required to hold the phones still while taking the scene, and post processing time, how does the Mi 12S U compared with Mi 10 U and P40 Pro?

Click to expand...

It blows them away. 12SU even in night mode/low light, finishing the scene in like 1/2 second, to 1 second on average. In extreme low light its 3 seconds vs other phones@7+

Click to expand...

Well - I do not know where from you got those numbers - just tested it - M40P in pretty no light (actually ISO 409000 and SS 0,4s - is it enough low?) when I actually did not see anything on the display, was less than 3 secs - from pressing the shutter button +focus+shutter lag+processing+writing to memory inclusive.

Nevertheless question is repeatability and reliability of focusing - but there is the same question with XIA as with HUA. AFAIk XIA is certainly not on the top.

Just my 0,02$

Im talking for most phones, M40P might be a bit faster, usually they are much slower, vivo, samsung, op, other xiaomi phones, are all much slower, also the results are very different in terms of exposure, 1 sec on 12SU = 3 on others in terms of light gathering.

Drzewoid · Sep 8, 2022

JaczZ said:
Thanks for the real life photo comparisons between different phone models! The 3 above are all impressive at 1:1 view even at this crazy image size level (48 MPix and 50 MPix).

Yes, agree.

JaczZ said:
In terms of shutter lag, time required to hold the phones still while taking the scene, and post processing time, how does the Mi 12S U compared with Mi 10 U and P40 Pro?

I think it is very similar time if we talk about 12 mpix auto mode. 1,5 to 3 seconds , depends of scene and number of frames. If there is very very dark and You switch to 27 frames it can be 4-5 seconds on MI10 Ultra and 12S Ultra. Huawei takes photo faster then, but You can change number of frames and time will be similar.

JaczZ said:
Also, I heard P40 Pro can only take this level of detail at 50 MPix on static, bright scene.

Not exactly - You get extra details in night also

I posted here comparasion thread between Mi 10 Ultra and P40 PRO - You can check this and see what is difference between 12 mpix and 50 mpix mode.

JaczZ said:
Can Mi 12S U have the same quality on more challenging scenes at 48 MPix?

Xiaomi Full resolution mode deliver extra details over 12 mpix, but 12 mpix night photos are more than enhough, so i don't use it very often. With tripod and very long exposure time or using astro mode - photos looks amazing and You definitely get top notch full res photos. This is example in auto mode without tripod, but with older GCAM port and new one(second photo). I think older GCAM is better in night with noise reduction.

Xiaomi 12S Ultra currently doesn't have working full res mod or i don't know about it

12mpix mode to compare

_vlad · Sep 8, 2022

JaczZ said:
_vlad said:

dazed1 said:

JaczZ said:

shutter lag, time required to hold the phones still while taking the scene, and post processing time, how does the Mi 12S U compared with Mi 10 U and P40 Pro?

Click to expand...

It blows them away. 12SU even in night mode/low light, finishing the scene in like 1/2 second, to 1 second on average. In extreme low light its 3 seconds vs other phones@7+

Click to expand...

Well - I do not know where from you got those numbers - just tested it - M40P in pretty no light (actually ISO 409000 and SS 0,4s - is it enough low?) when I actually did not see anything on the display, was less than 3 secs - from pressing the shutter button +focus+shutter lag+processing+writing to memory inclusive.

Nevertheless question is repeatability and reliability of focusing - but there is the same question with XIA as with HUA. AFAIk XIA is certainly not on the top.

Just my 0,02$

Click to expand...

I think dazed1 might be referring to taking such detailed photo at 48/50 MPix?

For HUA, under the high res AI mode which produces good quality for 50 MPix, I read that you need to hold the phone steady for 3s to take in the scene, and then another 7s for the phone to process. Does this sound familiar with M40P?

If 12SU takes total 1 second only from pressing shutter to producing such great quality high res photo, this is a big difference and makes the mode that much more usable.

With HUA you have two HiRes modes non AI and with AI. The first is instant, good for pro work with smooth transitions, less sharpening and slightly muted colors. AI HiRes needs some time for processing (4-5 secs) however after pressing shutter and taking the shot (say less than a second) you need no more to point the phone to the object (although message on the display says so) as the exposure is done, the rest is a task for phone. That might be a problem if you want to shoot some kind of action, but it's an advantage because you can shoot moving objects without the risk of unsharpness or kind of trails etc..... moving truck at does 100km/hour is perfectly ok). On the other hand no multishot pic can compete with detail from HiRes AI because the detail is picked from subpixel level unlike GCam where you must align several shots together and then process. Due to different movement in center and corners (perspective distortion) that is nearly impossible handheld. Yes they are very detailed but not that much as HiResAi. HUA is truly workhorse and it pays-off when you know how to use it.

Vlad

dazed1 · Sep 9, 2022

_vlad said:
JaczZ said:

_vlad said:

dazed1 said:

JaczZ said:

shutter lag, time required to hold the phones still while taking the scene, and post processing time, how does the Mi 12S U compared with Mi 10 U and P40 Pro?

Click to expand...

It blows them away. 12SU even in night mode/low light, finishing the scene in like 1/2 second, to 1 second on average. In extreme low light its 3 seconds vs other phones@7+

Click to expand...

Well - I do not know where from you got those numbers - just tested it - M40P in pretty no light (actually ISO 409000 and SS 0,4s - is it enough low?) when I actually did not see anything on the display, was less than 3 secs - from pressing the shutter button +focus+shutter lag+processing+writing to memory inclusive.

Nevertheless question is repeatability and reliability of focusing - but there is the same question with XIA as with HUA. AFAIk XIA is certainly not on the top.

Just my 0,02$

Click to expand...

I think dazed1 might be referring to taking such detailed photo at 48/50 MPix?

For HUA, under the high res AI mode which produces good quality for 50 MPix, I read that you need to hold the phone steady for 3s to take in the scene, and then another 7s for the phone to process. Does this sound familiar with M40P?

If 12SU takes total 1 second only from pressing shutter to producing such great quality high res photo, this is a big difference and makes the mode that much more usable.

Click to expand...

With HUA you have two HiRes modes non AI and with AI. The first is instant, good for pro work with smooth transitions, less sharpening and slightly muted colors. AI HiRes needs some time for processing (4-5 secs) however after pressing shutter and taking the shot (say less than a second) you need no more to point the phone to the object (although message on the display says so) as the exposure is done, the rest is a task for phone. That might be a problem if you want to shoot some kind of action, but it's an advantage because you can shoot moving objects without the risk of unsharpness or kind of trails etc..... moving truck at does 100km/hour is perfectly ok). On the other hand no multishot pic can compete with detail from HiRes AI because the detail is picked from subpixel level unlike GCam where you must align several shots together and then process. Due to different movement in center and corners (perspective distortion) that is nearly impossible handheld. Yes they are very detailed but not that much as HiResAi. HUA is truly workhorse and it pays-off when you know how to use it.

Vlad

Im not sure for moving objects

But for static shots nothing bests gcam IQ, 28, 48, or 50MP moded phones with properly tuned configs are above anything i saw stock

dazed1 · Sep 15, 2022

Don't mess with big boys apple,

Bob A L · Sep 16, 2022

From those samples, looks like they did a pretty fair job of it.

dazed1 · Sep 16, 2022

Bob A L said:
From those samples, looks like they did a pretty fair job of it.

Sure, its ok. But quite inferior to even stock 12U. If one put gcam on the 12SU, its not even close.

tusenkonstnar · Sep 17, 2022

Are here any recomenaation of gCAM versions to run? I have been trying BigCaka but it crasches contantly.

As situation is now I prefer my old Mi 11 Ultra but HW is better in 12s Ultra so while hoping that the camera software get fixed I'm looking for a "replacement app".

dazed1 · Sep 17, 2022

tusenkonstnar said:
Are here any recomenaation of gCAM versions to run? I have been trying BigCaka but it crasches contantly.

As situation is now I prefer my old Mi 11 Ultra but HW is better in 12s Ultra so while hoping that the camera software get fixed I'm looking for a "replacement app".

Yes LMC 8.4 + an xml that im using and custom lib, send me a pm

dazed1 · Sep 22, 2022

Drzewoid said:
Here is new comparasion - i set number of frames to 7 to get more objective results and installed new LMC 8.4 on MI10 Ultra, the same as 12. MI10 Ultra proably thanks to Dual Native ISO have similar performance like 12S Ultra. When using 27 frames - images looks the same on both phones, when using 7 frames 12 S Ultra have less noise on sky, but not always details looks better - look at first picture, here 10 Ultra is winner, but on second photo it's 12 S Ultra.

MI10 Ultra

12 S Ultra

10S Ultra

12 S Ultra

10 Ultra

12S Ultra

I somehow missed this, look at the big difference in NR, even with 1/8 on 10U vs 1/10 on 12SU,

10U 1/8

12SU 1/10

10U 1/7

12SU 1/10

rizakayan · Feb 24, 2023

dazed1 said:
Like i mentioned, in order to see the difference you need strong contrast in the scene, always when there is contrast the difference will be much larger, like the clouds scene for example

Also keep in mind 27 frames clean tons of noise its astonishing the difference that it makes, ot can make even much worse sensors look great, and we know ov48c is a great one

Do you use same xml/apk on both? Since that also can make huge difference

Send me a pm i will give tou you one very good xml, then try the versus again

This is what you want to evaluate difference, very dark shadows, and very bright source near them, flashlight in the middle of the wall, but sides very dark, then you evaluate the shadows

Can u give a good gcam and xml, lib for 12s ultra. I tried agc8.4.300 Bigkaka 8.4, colors are very off. Shamim has better colors but lack detail.

dazed1 · Feb 24, 2023

rizakayan said:
dazed1 said:

Like i mentioned, in order to see the difference you need strong contrast in the scene, always when there is contrast the difference will be much larger, like the clouds scene for example

Also keep in mind 27 frames clean tons of noise its astonishing the difference that it makes, ot can make even much worse sensors look great, and we know ov48c is a great one

Do you use same xml/apk on both? Since that also can make huge difference

Send me a pm i will give tou you one very good xml, then try the versus again

This is what you want to evaluate difference, very dark shadows, and very bright source near them, flashlight in the middle of the wall, but sides very dark, then you evaluate the shadows

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Can u give a good gcam and xml, lib for 12s ultra. I tried agc8.4.300 Bigkaka 8.4, colors are very off. Shamim has better colors but lack detail.

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rizakayan · Feb 28, 2023

Edit : found it, by double pressing right side of the shutter.

Thanks, in this version i can't seem to find xml loading menu. I tried every menu i guess. In which sub menu can it be?

Also which .so file do you use? I have dimixfix_8.4, matteo22d, matteo16f.

I need dslr pureness, not artificial sharpening.

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