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When news of the CO State Fare brew-ha-ha hit I immediately got myself a Midjourney account to play with it. It's a blast. It's both easier and harder to do than you can imagine. You can just give it a few words of scene description and enjoy being surprised at what it comes up with. Alternatively, if you have something very specific in mind it may take a lot of work to come up with a description that the A.I. interprets the way you want - or not at all. I tried to make a "ghost" from scratch. It can find pre-made ghost images in its learned set but trying to make one yourself is very frustrating. I would rate my efforts as "only slightly" successful.

The basic subscription is only $10/mo but if you're like most people you'll chew through the monthly limit in a couple of days. I ended up upgrading to $30/mo (I'll scale back when the newness wares off).

I posted a bunch on my website listed in my signature below.
 

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Hmmm ... 'mine'.

Do you feel that you've created these works? Or do you regard then as collaborations with the website operators and software designers?

Another question: Do you feel you create the photos you shoot? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the gear manufacturers and software designers?

If there's a difference in the way you feel about ownership with the two pursuits, what is it?
 
JohnSil said:
DMKAlex said:
This AI generated photo won first price in the digital category at the Colorado State Fair.

It looks very much like a copy cat pictures created by someone who appreciated composition and lighting after a visit from a art gallery.

Personally, I would question the existence and placement of the brighter red object on the far right.

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Oh that bright red area HAS to be there. That's the curtain from which behind it the Wizard of Oz is pulling and pushing the levers!!!

Likewise I'm surprised it won in Colorado and not Kansas!!! LoL

Actually it would depend on the category into which it was entered. Some categories allow any amount of digital manipulation/PS. For example it would have been disqualified immediately in Journalism or nature if it had been a digitized bird!

John
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It was something like the "heavily edited digital image" category and he was up front that he used A.I..

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Photos at http://inasphere.com
 
sybersitizen said:
Hmmm ... 'mine'.

Do you feel that you've created these works? Or do you regard then as collaborations with the website operators and software designers?

Another question: Do you feel you create the photos you shoot? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the gear manufacturers and software designers?

If there's a difference in the way you feel about ownership with the two pursuits, what is it?
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Each of them represents several hours of working with Midjourney to achieve the affect I was after, so in that respect they're mine. But like every artist that borrows techniques and styles from other artists I stand on the shoulders of giants.

My postings usually start off "Me & Midjourney", but not always.
 
Regarding Midjourney, might as well share a few images that have come out of me playing with it:

Faux portrait of a company chairman
Faux portrait of a company chairman



This was actually kind of happy accident, since I didn't ask for the city to be on fire
This was actually kind of happy accident, since I didn't ask for the city to be on fire



H.R. Giger vibes
H.R. Giger vibes



Santa Claus, the Terminator edition
Santa Claus, the Terminator edition

Midjourney, Stable Diffusion etc. aren't going to replace photography for me anytime soon, but they offer a way to play with visualising ideas that I could never draw or paint in a million years, or would be kind of difficult to photograph.
 
Carey Brown said:
sybersitizen said:
Hmmm ... 'mine'.

Do you feel that you've created these works? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the website operators and software designers?

Another question: Do you feel you create the photos you shoot? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the gear manufacturers and software designers?

If there's a difference in the way you feel about ownership with the two pursuits, what is it?
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Each of them represents several hours of working with Midjourney to achieve the affect I was after, so in that respect they're mine. But like every artist that borrows techniques and styles from other artists I stand on the shoulders of giants.
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I'm not just talking about techniques or styles. I'm also talking about the technologies without which such works could not exist at all.
Carey Brown said:
My postings usually start off "Me & Midjourney", but not always.
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So do you or do you not regard those works - or your photography - as collaborations with the entities I mentioned (whether or not such collaborations are specifically credited)?
 
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sybersitizen said:
Carey Brown said:
sybersitizen said:
Hmmm ... 'mine'.

Do you feel that you've created these works? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the website operators and software designers?

Another question: Do you feel you create the photos you shoot? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the gear manufacturers and software designers?

If there's a difference in the way you feel about ownership with the two pursuits, what is it?
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Each of them represents several hours of working with Midjourney to achieve the affect I was after, so in that respect they're mine. But like every artist that borrows techniques and styles from other artists I stand on the shoulders of giants.
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I'm not just talking about techniques or styles. I'm also talking about the technologies without which such works could not exist at all.
sybersitizen said:
My postings usually start off "Me & Midjourney", but not always.
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So do you or do you not regard those works - or your photography - as collaborations with the entities I mentioned (whether or not such collaborations are specifically credited)?
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See my last sentence.
 
sybersitizen said:
Carey Brown said:
sybersitizen said:
Hmmm ... 'mine'.

Do you feel that you've created these works? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the website operators and software designers?

Another question: Do you feel you create the photos you shoot? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the gear manufacturers and software designers?

If there's a difference in the way you feel about ownership with the two pursuits, what is it?
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Each of them represents several hours of working with Midjourney to achieve the affect I was after, so in that respect they're mine. But like every artist that borrows techniques and styles from other artists I stand on the shoulders of giants.
Click to expand...
I'm not just talking about techniques or styles. I'm also talking about the technologies without which such works could not exist at all.
sybersitizen said:
My postings usually start off "Me & Midjourney", but not always.
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So do you or do you not regard those works - or your photography - as collaborations with the entities I mentioned (whether or not such collaborations are specifically credited)?
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Midjourny's license agreement states (in some fashion) that in paying for the product I'm entitled to call the results "mine". (Regardless of how I (or you) feel about it.)
 
Carey Brown said:
sybersitizen said:
Carey Brown said:
sybersitizen said:
Hmmm ... 'mine'.

Do you feel that you've created these works? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the website operators and software designers?

Another question: Do you feel you create the photos you shoot? Or do you regard them as collaborations with the gear manufacturers and software designers?

If there's a difference in the way you feel about ownership with the two pursuits, what is it?
Click to expand...
Each of them represents several hours of working with Midjourney to achieve the affect I was after, so in that respect they're mine. But like every artist that borrows techniques and styles from other artists I stand on the shoulders of giants.
Click to expand...
I'm not just talking about techniques or styles. I'm also talking about the technologies without which such works could not exist at all.
Carey Brown said:
My postings usually start off "Me & Midjourney", but not always.
Click to expand...
So do you or do you not regard those works - or your photography - as collaborations with the entities I mentioned (whether or not such collaborations are specifically credited)?
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Midjourny's license agreement states (in some fashion) that in paying for the product I'm entitled to call the results "mine". (Regardless of how I (or you) feel about it.)
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I'm just curious about how those who get involved see the question. And regardless of what you're entitled to call "yours", there's a bit more to consider, even if you're paying for your account:

https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/09/copyright-law/

In its terms of service, the company further specifies that you grant Midjourney a “perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, sublicensable no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare Derivative Works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute text, and image prompts you input into the Services, or Assets produced by the service at your direction.” In other words, even if you “create” a new piece of art, and you have all rights to use the images the service creates, Midjourney also keeps its own license to use your works, including sublicensing.

It sounds like the Midjourney folks consider "your" works collaborations for many practical purposes.

There's a two-square-foot piece of ground in Scotland that my wife and I are entitled to call "ours", along with calling ourselves Laird and Lady of Glencoe ... but there are some caveats as to how those entitlements work. The Midjourney thing kind of reminds me of that.

And just for the record, I do think of my photos as collaborations with the other entities I mentioned. However, I don't bother to credit them as such, and they don't have any rights in the matter (that I know of).
 
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That's not a photo, but still looks amazing! :D
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tbcass said:
ovrebekk said:
tbcass said:
Is it AI-generated or computer art? AI to me implies minimal human interaction. If it's AI-generated then it is not art IMO. Art should be the result of human design and creation.
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The picture is the result of human design and creation. Humans wrote the AI framework, made most (if not all?) of the pictures used to train the AI, and guided the AI training itself.

Even if no human can understand how the AI model made that particular image using the provided prompt and data set, the final image would never have happened without human involvement.
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Sorry but I disagree and that is that.
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Thanks for removing any shadow of doubt. Guess we can't all agree on everything (would make for pretty boring debates TBH) ;)
 
Great pieces of art, what do you use to create such images?
 
Thanks for sharing the link. This quote from the artist adds important context to my appreciation of the digital artwork, "I have been exploring a special prompt that I will be publishing at a later date, I have created 100s of images using it, and after many weeks of fine tuning and curating my gens, I chose my top 3 and had them printed on canvas after unshackling with Gigapixel AI.”

This sounds every bit like the process an artist would use to develop their technique with the tools of a new medium to create an original work. I say, "Congratulations!" to the artist on his win.
 
WiltshireMoonraker59 said:
Great pieces of art, what do you use to create such images?
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The program is Midjourney. I studied the online tutorials and watched what others were doing live on the Discord forum.

Then I took various bits of that, stirred in a bunch of imagination, and heaps of experimentation. Only one out of 25 attempts were worth keeping. Had gobs of fun in the process. Learned that there are just some subjects that Midjourney doesn't do well.

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Photos at http://inasphere.com
 
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Like anything else when technology gets ahead of rules and regulations it catches people flat-footed. Thats what happened here. Next year there will be a new category at the state fair that clarifies what is digital art and what is photography.

I live in the town that hosts the fair and this subject was a good discussion at our monthly camera club meeting.

Al
 
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