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I've shot video on my Panasonic Lumix G9 in natural profile. After export from Davinci Resolve 17, the colors (especially skin tone) look completely different that what's in the edit timeline. I've watched blackmagic's video on color management here:

but it all went over my head. Surely there's a simple way to get WYSIWYG? I tried playing around with different input/output options by I either get really washed out colors or intense reddish skin tones but nothing matching exactly what i see in the timeline.
 
The first thing you need to understand is once it's out of Resolve it's out of Resolves control. How did you watch it? Which viewer? Same monitor?

The next question is what did you do? I think you mentioned colour management . Tell us exactly what you did.

Oh won't hurt to include export settings.
 
I would suggest you go to the Resolve forum on the Blackmagic website. There are a number of posts about this and its solution. A lot depends on whether you are using a PC or MAC as to the correct settings for rendering .

As been said once the render leaves you it's anybody's guess to what it will look like on other peoples devices. One check you can do it open the render in Resolve. Does it look as it should?
 
NickZ2016 said:
The first thing you need to understand is once it's out of Resolve it's out of Resolves control. How did you watch it? Which viewer? Same monitor?
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i was just pressing spacebar in the Mac Finder to preview it. It was on the same monitor. Interestingly after I uploaded it to youtube it looked different again. Not matching either resolve nor the preview in finder

NickZ2016 said:
The next question is what did you do? I think you mentioned colour management . Tell us exactly what you did.

Oh won't hurt to include export settings.
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I really tried out a bunch so I don't remember. none of them worked. I was more hoping that there is a single correct setting for the Panasonic Lumix G9 Natural Profile. Because in the blackmagic tutorial they used arri alexa and it was a no brainer for them to select that camera. but my camera doesn't exist on the list. even sony has a bunch of options. panasonic only had one. and that one didn't work out for me.
 
CanonC100User said:
I would suggest you go to the Resolve forum on the Blackmagic website. There are a number of posts about this and its solution. A lot depends on whether you are using a PC or MAC as to the correct settings for rendering .

As been said once the render leaves you it's anybody's guess to what it will look like on other peoples devices. One check you can do it open the render in Resolve. Does it look as it should?
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OK this is actually a good idea. i'll try this.
 
I can also recommend Cullen Kelly.

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thetrystero said:
i was just pressing spacebar in the Mac...
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Resolve works slightly differently on a Mac, as far as I know.

For output profile (in standard dynamic range), you need to use gamma Rec 709-A instead of Rec. 709 (according to Daria Fissoun who "wrote the book" on DaVinci Resolve color grading). Plus change your user settings.


If that doesn't work, we really need to see a sample of what your output looks like. You can play the video you rendered and then do a screen grab and upload it here if you want, or upload a short clip to youtube.
 
Off The Mark said:
thetrystero said:
i was just pressing spacebar in the Mac...
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Resolve works slightly differently on a Mac, as far as I know.

For output profile (in standard dynamic range), you need to use gamma Rec 709-A instead of Rec. 709 (according to Daria Fissoun who "wrote the book" on DaVinci Resolve color grading). Plus change your user settings.


If that doesn't work, we really need to see a sample of what your output looks like. You can play the video you rendered and then do a screen grab and upload it here if you want, or upload a short clip to youtube.
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Can you elaborate? It’s my understanding that Rec 709-A contains a gamma correction curve specifically for misinterpretation by the quicktime player. If so, I would not use it as my final delivery.



Can you mention the timecode where Daria talks about this topic? The video is one hour.
 
Hendrik_nl said:
Can you mention the timecode where Daria talks about this topic? The video is one hour.
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Please COPY AND PASTE this link and see if it takes you to the right spot:


I tried to include it at the previous link I posted but I think dpreview cut it off.

Otherwise, click the link below and then go to the 46:15 second mark:


I don't own a Mac so I can't vouch for anything she says but again, she is the one who wrote the color grading training manual for DaVinci Resolve.

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What Middle School Is Really Like:
 
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First make sure that your monitor is calibrated; most monitors are way off base with the default configuration.

Step one, get something like a Blackmagic DeckLink to manage your color output instead of the operating system.

Sep two, buy or rent a colorimeter and calibrate your monitor to Rec.709 or BT.1886 with Resolve or DisplayCal.

The Neutral profile will need some selective contrast & saturation tweaks to get it to look right.

Assuming that you shot 8-bit video, make sure that your Data Levels are set to video in clip attributes.
 
Andrew S10 said:
First make sure that your monitor is calibrated; most monitors are way off base with the default configuration.

Step one, get something like a Blackmagic DeckLink to manage your color output instead of the operating system.

Sep two, buy or rent a colorimeter and calibrate your monitor to Rec.709 or BT.1886 with Resolve or DisplayCal.

The Neutral profile will need some selective contrast & saturation tweaks to get it to look right.

Assuming that you shot 8-bit video, make sure that your Data Levels are set to video in clip attributes.
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I don't agree.
What you are suggesting is absolutely not needed for his use case.
A BM decklink is only needed for high-end professionals. You get great results when you use a modern display, preferably hardware calibrated with a i1 Display Pro colorimeter using the internal LUT of the display.
You normally calibrate to it's native colour space and gamma and use colour aware applications. You don't tweak display profiles after this.
 
Off The Mark said:
Hendrik_nl said:
Can you mention the timecode where Daria talks about this topic? The video is one hour.
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Please COPY AND PASTE this link and see if it takes you to the right spot:


I tried to include it at the previous link I posted but I think dpreview cut it off.

Otherwise, click the link below and then go to the 46:15 second mark:


I don't own a Mac so I can't vouch for anything she says but again, she is the one who wrote the color grading training manual for DaVinci Resolve.
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Thank you for this link. I didn't knew Daria did a new show with him. Shall take a look at a later time.
Yes, she talks about the problem with Apple displays and QT-player. The REC 709-A codec will add a correction gamma curve to render it correctly on these displays. It's a workaround and only needed for Apple. I would not use REC 709-A as a final delivery, because it's not an official codec. BUT, color management is very complex because there are many parameters that can change everything.

I suggest doing some research. There are different discussions about this topic. This is a recent one.

Most important question is, can you use REC 709-A without any disadvantage? I don't know the answer myself.
 
Hendrik_nl said:
Andrew S10 said:
First make sure that your monitor is calibrated; most monitors are way off base with the default configuration.

Step one, get something like a Blackmagic DeckLink to manage your color output instead of the operating system.

Sep two, buy or rent a colorimeter and calibrate your monitor to Rec.709 or BT.1886 with Resolve or DisplayCal.

The Neutral profile will need some selective contrast & saturation tweaks to get it to look right.

Assuming that you shot 8-bit video, make sure that your Data Levels are set to video in clip attributes.
Click to expand...
I don't agree.
What you are suggesting is absolutely not needed for his use case.
A BM decklink is only needed for high-end professionals. You get great results when you use a modern display, preferably hardware calibrated with a i1 Display Pro colorimeter using the internal LUT of the display.
You normally calibrate to it's native colour space and gamma and use colour aware applications. You don't tweak display profiles after this.
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I think it's prudent to limit the variables.

I've only seen loadable LUTs as a feature in higher-end monitors & TVs.

I think most people will have to calibrate with a colorimeter and save an ICC profile on their computer, but the operating system can still monkey with your color and contrast, despite using a calibrated ICC profile.
 
Andrew S10 said:
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Hendrik_nl said:
Andrew S10 said:
First make sure that your monitor is calibrated; most monitors are way off base with the default configuration.

Step one, get something like a Blackmagic DeckLink to manage your color output instead of the operating system.

Sep two, buy or rent a colorimeter and calibrate your monitor to Rec.709 or BT.1886 with Resolve or DisplayCal.

The Neutral profile will need some selective contrast & saturation tweaks to get it to look right.

Assuming that you shot 8-bit video, make sure that your Data Levels are set to video in clip attributes.
Click to expand...
I don't agree.
What you are suggesting is absolutely not needed for his use case.
A BM decklink is only needed for high-end professionals. You get great results when you use a modern display, preferably hardware calibrated with a i1 Display Pro colorimeter using the internal LUT of the display.
You normally calibrate to it's native colour space and gamma and use colour aware applications. You don't tweak display profiles after this.
Click to expand...
I think it's prudent to limit the variables.

I've only seen loadable LUTs as a feature in higher-end monitors & TVs.

I think most people will have to calibrate with a colorimeter and save an ICC profile on their computer, but the operating system can still monkey with your color and contrast, despite using a calibrated ICC profile.
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Yes, I agree, but it's very expensive to get everything optimal.
Dell has affordable wide gamut displays with international LUT. Just make sure to set color management to off in the driver of the graphics card.
For most non-professional users it's good enough.
 
Andrew S10 said:
I think it's prudent to limit the variables.

I've only seen loadable LUTs as a feature in higher-end monitors & TVs.

I think most people will have to calibrate with a colorimeter and save an ICC profile on their computer, but the operating system can still monkey with your color and contrast, despite using a calibrated ICC profile.
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While I would never discourage someone from calibrating a monitor, I think we are missing the point a bit by going down this path.

It seems the issue from the original poster is that the exported version of the video looks different than the version in the display window inside resolve.

if you follow that link that I posted to the Casey Ferris interview with Daria Fissoun, she specifically addresses this issue with Macs display colors one way when using a Apples in-built software (Safari, Quicktime, Final Cut Pro), but display colors a different way when using a non-Apple application (like DaVinci Resolve).

You will probably have to copy and paste this link in a new browser to go to the exact point she reference it (as opposed to simply clicking on the link which will possibly just take you to the start of the video).


If you aren't taken to that exact point, then go tot he 46:15 mark of the video
 
Hendrik_nl said:
Andrew S10 said:
First make sure that your monitor is calibrated; most monitors are way off base with the default configuration.

Step one, get something like a Blackmagic DeckLink to manage your color output instead of the operating system.

Sep two, buy or rent a colorimeter and calibrate your monitor to Rec.709 or BT.1886 with Resolve or DisplayCal.

The Neutral profile will need some selective contrast & saturation tweaks to get it to look right.

Assuming that you shot 8-bit video, make sure that your Data Levels are set to video in clip attributes.
Click to expand...
I don't agree.
What you are suggesting is absolutely not needed for his use case.
A BM decklink is only needed for high-end professionals. You get great results when you use a modern display, preferably hardware calibrated with a i1 Display Pro colorimeter using the internal LUT of the display.
You normally calibrate to it's native colour space and gamma and use colour aware applications. You don't tweak display profiles after this.
Click to expand...
I have an EIZO 10-bit monitor (CS2731) calibrated using the i1.

I use it mainly to softproof my photographic prints and it works beautifully for that. My prints are always pretty much spot on for a variety of paper types.

But for video I must admit I'm shooting in the dark in this respect. I have the notion (not sure from where) that for the video type i'm doing I should calibrate to sRGB, and that's the profile I use when editing in Resolve. Is Rec.709 different from sRGB?
 
sRGB is correct for photos (provided your camera is set to sRGB & not Adobe RGB), but video uses a number of different standards, Rec.709 being the most common, which is similar to sRGB, but not the same.

Since the mid-90s, computer monitors have traditionally been sRGB native, so that became the web delivery standard, but now smart TVs are pretty common place, so I think it makes sense to calibrate to Rec.709 & swap back to your sRGB ICC profile when you're editing photos.

Does your camera have the "Like 709" profile? If so, you could always use that if you didn't want to grade, but you'd sacrifice dynamic range.
 
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thetrystero said:
Hendrik_nl said:
Andrew S10 said:
First make sure that your monitor is calibrated; most monitors are way off base with the default configuration.

Step one, get something like a Blackmagic DeckLink to manage your color output instead of the operating system.

Sep two, buy or rent a colorimeter and calibrate your monitor to Rec.709 or BT.1886 with Resolve or DisplayCal.

The Neutral profile will need some selective contrast & saturation tweaks to get it to look right.

Assuming that you shot 8-bit video, make sure that your Data Levels are set to video in clip attributes.
Click to expand...
I don't agree.
What you are suggesting is absolutely not needed for his use case.
A BM decklink is only needed for high-end professionals. You get great results when you use a modern display, preferably hardware calibrated with a i1 Display Pro colorimeter using the internal LUT of the display.
You normally calibrate to it's native colour space and gamma and use colour aware applications. You don't tweak display profiles after this.
Click to expand...
I have an EIZO 10-bit monitor (CS2731) calibrated using the i1.

I use it mainly to softproof my photographic prints and it works beautifully for that. My prints are always pretty much spot on for a variety of paper types.

But for video I must admit I'm shooting in the dark in this respect. I have the notion (not sure from where) that for the video type i'm doing I should calibrate to sRGB, and that's the profile I use when editing in Resolve. Is Rec.709 different from sRGB?
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Does your display have an internal LUT? If so, make sure to bypass any Color management in your driver of the graphics card. If you have a Nvidia Card:

* Go to Nvidia Control Panel and go to Adjust Desktop Color Settings, select: 'Override to Reference Mode' (it's now still on Accurate mode)
* Under menu "Change Resolution"
* Select “Use Nvidia Color Settings.” (it is still on Use Default Color Settings).
* Select the “Highest (32-bit)” option in the Desktop Color Depth option.
* Set Output Color Depth to 10bpc.
* Calibrate the internal LUT of the display as normally.

Is Rec.709 different from sRGB? They are near identical with only a slight gamma difference. Just Google for in depth information. Use Rec.709 as your final delivery for video. Use sRGB for images.
 
Andrew S10 said:
sRGB is correct for photos (provided your camera is set to sRGB & not Adobe RGB), but video uses a number of different standards, Rec.709 being the most common, which is similar to sRGB, but not the same.
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i use adobeRGB for photos. i'll need to check to see how to calibrate for rec.709
Andrew S10 said:
Since the mid-90s, computer monitors have traditionally been sRGB native, so that became the web delivery standard, but now smart TVs are pretty common place, so I think it makes sense to calibrate to Rec.709 & swap back to your sRGB ICC profile when you're editing photos.

Does your camera have the "Like 709" profile? If so, you could always use that if you didn't want to grade, but you'd sacrifice dynamic range.
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i'm using lumix. maybe cinelike-D? i'm not sure. but the concensus seems to be that natural is the best for people like me who don't want to grade.
 
Hendrik_nl said:
thetrystero said:
Hendrik_nl said:
Andrew S10 said:
First make sure that your monitor is calibrated; most monitors are way off base with the default configuration.

Step one, get something like a Blackmagic DeckLink to manage your color output instead of the operating system.

Sep two, buy or rent a colorimeter and calibrate your monitor to Rec.709 or BT.1886 with Resolve or DisplayCal.

The Neutral profile will need some selective contrast & saturation tweaks to get it to look right.

Assuming that you shot 8-bit video, make sure that your Data Levels are set to video in clip attributes.
Click to expand...
I don't agree.
What you are suggesting is absolutely not needed for his use case.
A BM decklink is only needed for high-end professionals. You get great results when you use a modern display, preferably hardware calibrated with a i1 Display Pro colorimeter using the internal LUT of the display.
You normally calibrate to it's native colour space and gamma and use colour aware applications. You don't tweak display profiles after this.
Click to expand...
I have an EIZO 10-bit monitor (CS2731) calibrated using the i1.

I use it mainly to softproof my photographic prints and it works beautifully for that. My prints are always pretty much spot on for a variety of paper types.

But for video I must admit I'm shooting in the dark in this respect. I have the notion (not sure from where) that for the video type i'm doing I should calibrate to sRGB, and that's the profile I use when editing in Resolve. Is Rec.709 different from sRGB?
Click to expand...
Does your display have an internal LUT? If so, make sure to bypass any Color management in your driver of the graphics card. If you have a Nvidia Card:

* Go to Nvidia Control Panel and go to Adjust Desktop Color Settings, select: 'Override to Reference Mode' (it's now still on Accurate mode)
* Under menu "Change Resolution"
* Select “Use Nvidia Color Settings.” (it is still on Use Default Color Settings).
* Select the “Highest (32-bit)” option in the Desktop Color Depth option.
* Set Output Color Depth to 10bpc.
* Calibrate the internal LUT of the display as normally.

Is Rec.709 different from sRGB? They are near identical with only a slight gamma difference. Just Google for in depth information. Use Rec.709 as your final delivery for video. Use sRGB for images.
Click to expand...
my graphics card is an RX560. great. will look in to the internal LUT.
 
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