S1R + Sigma macros: no focus peaking? and other advice

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I'm renting an S1R and a Sigma 105 macro. I already own the Sigma 70mm macro L mount. Trying to decide whether I want to swap my Fuji GFX-R + Mamiya 645 120 macro for this kit mainly for scanning negatives and to use for the very occasional digital shooting. Manual focusing for extremely sharp detail (tested against a 1951 USAF high frequency target) with the Fuji kit isn't always as precise as I want.

I spent yesterday figuring out the S1R, and, I have to say, fears of its UI's complexity are vastly exaggerated. It's not Leica or HB simple, but it's a lot easier to use than, say, Fuji. It does a lot of cool things, and I really like the body. So far, so good.

Just looking for some quick advice about best set-ups with the 105 and 70 lenses (testing to find which is sharper and at what aperture) to put against the Fuji kit for macro work.

One thing I'm noticing is that I can't figure out when/why focus peaking is working.

thanks for any quick advice! (returning the camera on Friday August 26)
 
I'm renting an S1R and a Sigma 105 macro. I already own the Sigma 70mm macro L mount. Trying to decide whether I want to swap my Fuji GFX-R + Mamiya 645 120 macro for this kit mainly for scanning negatives and to use for the very occasional digital shooting. Manual focusing for extremely sharp detail (tested against a 1951 USAF high frequency target) with the Fuji kit isn't always as precise as I want.

I spent yesterday figuring out the S1R, and, I have to say, fears of its UI's complexity are vastly exaggerated. It's not Leica or HB simple, but it's a lot easier to use than, say, Fuji. It does a lot of cool things, and I really like the body. So far, so good.

Just looking for some quick advice about best set-ups with the 105 and 70 lenses (testing to find which is sharper and at what aperture) to put against the Fuji kit for macro work.

One thing I'm noticing is that I can't figure out when/why focus peaking is working.

thanks for any quick advice! (returning the camera on Friday August 26)
I assume that you have downloaded the S1R manual.

Look at the section "6. Focus/Zoom" -> "Record using MF"

A few pages later (page 120 in the manual version I have) there's a page with a pale blue background which lists various relevant settings.

the ones you're likely interested in are:
  • "You can change the display method of the magnified screen:"
  • "Change the peaking sensitivity and the display method:"
  • "The camera memorises the focus position when you turn it off:"
I seem to prefer bright green focus indication. You might like something else.

Remembering focus position tends to help a lot for macro with a fly-by-wire lens.

Panasonic DfD/contrast detect focus is only sensitive to horizontal contrast (vertical edges). This is reflected in the focus "peaking" displays in manual focus.
 
I'm renting an S1R and a Sigma 105 macro. I already own the Sigma 70mm macro L mount. Trying to decide whether I want to swap my Fuji GFX-R + Mamiya 645 120 macro for this kit mainly for scanning negatives and to use for the very occasional digital shooting. Manual focusing for extremely sharp detail (tested against a 1951 USAF high frequency target) with the Fuji kit isn't always as precise as I want.

I spent yesterday figuring out the S1R, and, I have to say, fears of its UI's complexity are vastly exaggerated. It's not Leica or HB simple, but it's a lot easier to use than, say, Fuji. It does a lot of cool things, and I really like the body. So far, so good.

Just looking for some quick advice about best set-ups with the 105 and 70 lenses (testing to find which is sharper and at what aperture) to put against the Fuji kit for macro work.

One thing I'm noticing is that I can't figure out when/why focus peaking is working.

thanks for any quick advice! (returning the camera on Friday August 26)
I assume that you have downloaded the S1R manual.

Look at the section "6. Focus/Zoom" -> "Record using MF"

A few pages later (page 120 in the manual version I have) there's a page with a pale blue background which lists various relevant settings.

the ones you're likely interested in are:
  • "You can change the display method of the magnified screen:"
  • "Change the peaking sensitivity and the display method:"
  • "The camera memorises the focus position when you turn it off:"
I seem to prefer bright green focus indication. You might like something else.

Remembering focus position tends to help a lot for macro with a fly-by-wire lens.

Panasonic DfD/contrast detect focus is only sensitive to horizontal contrast (vertical edges). This is reflected in the focus "peaking" displays in manual focus.
Thanks so very much for this! In particular, I didn't know about the horizontal contrast only. That might explain some things for me. Much appreciated!
 
One thing I find annoying about Panasonic is that, like Canon, but unlike Nikon, Panasonic doesn't report true f/numbers for macro lenses.

If, on Panasonic, if you focus a 105mm f/2.8 macro lens at infinity, at f/2.8, and then focus at 1:1 magnification, Panasonic still reports f/2.8, when the true f/number is f/5.6 (or possibly more, depending on pupil magnification).

On a Nikon body, something like the true f/number would be reported (though it appears to me that Nikon's f/number reporting only accounts for the effect of subject distance / magnification in the case of "macro" lenses).

In a modern fly-by-wire lens, on a modern digital camera, the lens should be able to tell the body both the magnification and the pupil magnification, and the body should be able to report both magnification, and true f/number.
 
One thing I find annoying about Panasonic is that, like Canon, but unlike Nikon, Panasonic doesn't report true f/numbers for macro lenses.

If, on Panasonic, if you focus a 105mm f/2.8 macro lens at infinity, at f/2.8, and then focus at 1:1 magnification, Panasonic still reports f/2.8, when the true f/number is f/5.6 (or possibly more, depending on pupil magnification).

On a Nikon body, something like the true f/number would be reported (though it appears to me that Nikon's f/number reporting only accounts for the effect of subject distance / magnification in the case of "macro" lenses).

In a modern fly-by-wire lens, on a modern digital camera, the lens should be able to tell the body both the magnification and the pupil magnification, and the body should be able to report both magnification, and true f/number.
Thanks for this as well....still learning...
 
I'm starting to use the 105 with the S1R and it's a very capable combination.

As for setup tips, I'm assuming this is tripod based work, and you are turning off the in-body stabilization.

You can setup the focus assist to automatically zoom in when you twist the focus barrel, which can be handy or annoying, depending on the situation.

To get all the MF-goodness, be sure & set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, as well as the rotating switch on the body.

Beware the switch that is on the lower right front (as you are looking down the barrel of the lens) of the body - if you accidentally flip it to "2" certain capabilities may become disabled, depending on how it's configured (don't recall what the default is). It's a common stumbling block for new users.

Have you experimented with hi-res mode?

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I'm starting to use the 105 with the S1R and it's a very capable combination.

As for setup tips, I'm assuming this is tripod based work, and you are turning off the in-body stabilization.

You can setup the focus assist to automatically zoom in when you twist the focus barrel, which can be handy or annoying, depending on the situation.

To get all the MF-goodness, be sure & set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, as well as the rotating switch on the body.

Beware the switch that is on the lower right front (as you are looking down the barrel of the lens) of the body - if you accidentally flip it to "2" certain capabilities may become disabled, depending on how it's configured (don't recall what the default is). It's a common stumbling block for new users.

Have you experimented with hi-res mode?
thanks for all this.

Yes, I'm using a mammoth Beseler enlarger that probably weights 80 lbs. And yes, thanks, stabilization off.

What is "the rotating switch on the body"?

I haven't used hi-res yet. I've seen comparisons on another board and didn't think it made much of a difference. I'm already getting 100 mps+ files out of my GFX-R kit. But, of course, these aren't pixel-shifted.

Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.

thanks again for taking the time to answer.
 
I have the Sigma 105mm f2.8 macro, it is a killer lens, you will love it for everything from infinity to macro.
Thanks. I'm liking it a lot already. Love that it has an aperture ring, too. I already own the 70, so I'm testing to see the difference in IQ. Have you found an optimal aperture on the 105? I've heard it's f/5.6 even though f/8 is often the sharpest on lenses. But on my Mamiya macro, it's definitely f/11.
 
I'm using it for non macro mostly. It's got lovely bokeh wide open at f2.8.

It's one of those rare lenses that improves very little when stopped down.

f5.6 is the optimal aperture when I'm not looking for max bokeh.

Very flare resistant so I use a small metal lens hood with a lens cap on it's front to keep the size down.
 
I'm using it for non macro mostly. It's got lovely bokeh wide open at f2.8.

It's one of those rare lenses that improves very little when stopped down.

f5.6 is the optimal aperture when I'm not looking for max bokeh.

Very flare resistant so I use a small metal lens hood with a lens cap on it's front to keep the size down.
Thanks so much. f/5.6 is what someone else told me, too: I'm going to start with that: you may. have save me a lot of work. Thanks!
 
I'm starting to use the 105 with the S1R and it's a very capable combination.

As for setup tips, I'm assuming this is tripod based work, and you are turning off the in-body stabilization.

You can setup the focus assist to automatically zoom in when you twist the focus barrel, which can be handy or annoying, depending on the situation.

To get all the MF-goodness, be sure & set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, as well as the rotating switch on the body.

Beware the switch that is on the lower right front (as you are looking down the barrel of the lens) of the body - if you accidentally flip it to "2" certain capabilities may become disabled, depending on how it's configured (don't recall what the default is). It's a common stumbling block for new users.

Have you experimented with hi-res mode?
thanks for all this.

Yes, I'm using a mammoth Beseler enlarger that probably weights 80 lbs. And yes, thanks, stabilization off.

What is "the rotating switch on the body"?

I haven't used hi-res yet. I've seen comparisons on another board and didn't think it made much of a difference. I'm already getting 100 mps+ files out of my GFX-R kit. But, of course, these aren't pixel-shifted.

Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.

thanks again for taking the time to answer.
You are welcome!

Generally speaking, Panasonic's hi-res mode is considered by some to be the best in the business. You get a 187 MP raw file on the card - no extra processing necessary - and you can configure it to also keep a regular raw file just in case things don't work out on the 187 MP file. Of course, motion can cause problems with hi-res, but if you are digitizing negatives that shouldn't be an issue. Generally speaking, in addition to the higher resolution files, you may find the colors and DR to be a little better as well. Seems like a no-brainer for digitizing negatives, but then you'll need to sort that out for yourself, of course.

The "rotating switch" I am referring to is the switch that lets you choose between AF-S, AF-C, and MF. If you set it to MF you should also set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, otherwise some of the MF behaviors will not be available.
 
I'm starting to use the 105 with the S1R and it's a very capable combination.

As for setup tips, I'm assuming this is tripod based work, and you are turning off the in-body stabilization.

You can setup the focus assist to automatically zoom in when you twist the focus barrel, which can be handy or annoying, depending on the situation.

To get all the MF-goodness, be sure & set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, as well as the rotating switch on the body.

Beware the switch that is on the lower right front (as you are looking down the barrel of the lens) of the body - if you accidentally flip it to "2" certain capabilities may become disabled, depending on how it's configured (don't recall what the default is). It's a common stumbling block for new users.

Have you experimented with hi-res mode?
thanks for all this.

Yes, I'm using a mammoth Beseler enlarger that probably weights 80 lbs. And yes, thanks, stabilization off.

What is "the rotating switch on the body"?

I haven't used hi-res yet. I've seen comparisons on another board and didn't think it made much of a difference. I'm already getting 100 mps+ files out of my GFX-R kit. But, of course, these aren't pixel-shifted.

Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.

thanks again for taking the time to answer.
You are welcome!

Generally speaking, Panasonic's hi-res mode is considered by some to be the best in the business. You get a 187 MP raw file on the card - no extra processing necessary - and you can configure it to also keep a regular raw file just in case things don't work out on the 187 MP file. Of course, motion can cause problems with hi-res, but if you are digitizing negatives that shouldn't be an issue. Generally speaking, in addition to the higher resolution files, you may find the colors and DR to be a little better as well. Seems like a no-brainer for digitizing negatives, but then you'll need to sort that out for yourself, of course.

The "rotating switch" I am referring to is the switch that lets you choose between AF-S, AF-C, and MF. If you set it to MF you should also set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, otherwise some of the MF behaviors will not be available.
Thanks a lot for this. Now I understand the "rotating switch". I discovered that by accident, but didn't understand before what you've now explained, and I appreciate it. I wonder why it's necessary, then, to do 3 things: set it on manual on the lens, the rotating switch, and the recording mode dial. I can understand the lens and dial, but
 
I'm starting to use the 105 with the S1R and it's a very capable combination.

As for setup tips, I'm assuming this is tripod based work, and you are turning off the in-body stabilization.
Indeed.
You can setup the focus assist to automatically zoom in when you twist the focus barrel, which can be handy or annoying, depending on the situation.

To get all the MF-goodness, be sure & set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, as well as the rotating switch on the body.
Switching either the lens M/A switch or the body M/S/C switch to MF has the same effect for me.

This being a fly-by-wire system, neither and both of the MF switches, of course [!], don't disable focus changes initiated by the camera, or even disable AF.

The AF-ON button still performs AF, AF can be triggered from the touch screen, and switching the camera off and on resets focus (unless "The camera memorises the focus position" is switched on).

This made me quite Whisky Tango Foxtrot when I first put the thing on a macro rail, since I'm used to setting the focus/magnification, with AF off at the lens, and then racking the camera on the rail to focus. Without the lens focus changing unless I change it myself. Of course, this isn't just a problem with macro, it's a problem any time we want to set up the camera, switch it off, and later switch it on and expect it to be in the state we left it in.

I sortof guess that some Panasonic beta tester wrote a not entirely polite email to Panasonic about the behaviour, leading to the "The camera memorises the focus position" menu option.

Perhaps Sigma could put a hole in the side of the lens, where we can put a locking pin that physically jams the focus mechanism. :-x
Beware the switch that is on the lower right front (as you are looking down the barrel of the lens) of the body - if you accidentally flip it to "2" certain capabilities may become disabled, depending on how it's configured (don't recall what the default is). It's a common stumbling block for new users.

Have you experimented with hi-res mode?
thanks for all this.

Yes, I'm using a mammoth Beseler enlarger that probably weights 80 lbs. And yes, thanks, stabilization off.

What is "the rotating switch on the body"?

I haven't used hi-res yet. I've seen comparisons on another board and didn't think it made much of a difference. I'm already getting 100 mps+ files out of my GFX-R kit. But, of course, these aren't pixel-shifted.

Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.

thanks again for taking the time to answer.
[...]

The "rotating switch" I am referring to is the switch that lets you choose between AF-S, AF-C, and MF. If you set it to MF you should also set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, otherwise some of the MF behaviors will not be available.
I was thinking of the "Fn Lever" at the lower left front of the body, which, by default, switches the camera to "silent mode" (including electronic shutter). I've managed to knock that, and then be quite puzzled why flash has just stopped working.
Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.
Generally speaking, Panasonic's hi-res mode is considered by some to be the best in the business. You get a 187 MP raw file on the card - no extra processing necessary - and you can configure it to also keep a regular raw file just in case things don't work out on the 187 MP file. Of course, motion can cause problems with hi-res, but if you are digitizing negatives that shouldn't be an issue. Generally speaking, in addition to the higher resolution files, you may find the colors and DR to be a little better as well. Seems like a no-brainer for digitizing negatives, but then you'll need to sort that out for yourself, of course.
Yes, the high-resolution mode is very good, when the subject is completely static. Not because it delivers significantly higher resolution - it doesn't, but because:
  • Aliasing - including moiré - is essentially eliminated. The oversampling pattern, which gives 1R,2G,1B samples both at the original pixel centres, plus (IIUC) the centres of the square gaps between the original pixel centres, combined with sinc(x)-like MTF of the sensor microlenses alone is enough to eliminate for practical purposes spatial frequencies above the Nyquist limit of the double-pixel-resolution output file, in all colour channels, before even considering the Airy Disc (diffraction) MTF, or the lens MTF.
  • SNR (per un-shifted pixel area) is improved by ~1.5EV. That's a lot. There's so little noise that there have been complaints on this forum about Mach-band effects in out-of-focus areas of High-Resolution mode images rendered at 8 bits/component, because there isn't enough noise to dither transitions between 8-bit R'G'B' values.
The 47MP S1R has a small enough pixel pitch (4.3μm) that it can usually - but not always - avoid bad aliasing effects in normal single-shot capture, even though it lacks an anti-aliasing filter on the front of the sensor. Sometimes stopping down to f/11 or more may be necessary to control aliasing.

The 24MP S1 & S5, with 5.9μm pixel pitch, and no AA filter, are quite prone to moiré and spurious colours at normal f/numbers in de-bayered images.

This DPR page allows comparison of S1 & S1R with- and without- High-resolution mode. The black-on-white text in the test scene is a good testcase. It's clear that HR mode doesn't turn an S1R into a Fuji GFX-100.

It's also interesting to compare Sony A7R4 (60MP) pixel-shift implementation with Panasonic's S1R (47MP) implementation on that DPR page. The A7R4 pixel-shifted images show noticeable aliasing in the form of stair-stepping on sharp diagonal edges, and colour fringing, which are not present in the S1R (or S1) HR images. Perhaps Sony could fix this with better PC software to combine the shifted images. Look at the slanted-edges and Siemens-stars in the scene.
 
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I'm starting to use the 105 with the S1R and it's a very capable combination.

As for setup tips, I'm assuming this is tripod based work, and you are turning off the in-body stabilization.
Indeed.
You can setup the focus assist to automatically zoom in when you twist the focus barrel, which can be handy or annoying, depending on the situation.

To get all the MF-goodness, be sure & set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, as well as the rotating switch on the body.
Switching either the lens M/A switch or the body M/S/C switch to MF has the same effect for me.

This being a fly-by-wire system, neither and both of the MF switches, of course [!], don't disable focus changes initiated by the camera, or even disable AF.

The AF-ON button still performs AF, AF can be triggered from the touch screen, and switching the camera off and on resets focus (unless "The camera memorises the focus position" is switched on).

This made me quite Whisky Tango Foxtrot when I first put the thing on a macro rail, since I'm used to setting the focus/magnification, with AF off at the lens, and then racking the camera on the rail to focus. Without the lens focus changing unless I change it myself. Of course, this isn't just a problem with macro, it's a problem any time we want to set up the camera, switch it off, and later switch it on and expect it to be in the state we left it in.

I sortof guess that some Panasonic beta tester wrote a not entirely polite email to Panasonic about the behaviour, leading to the "The camera memorises the focus position" menu option.

Perhaps Sigma could put a hole in the side of the lens, where we can put a locking pin that physically jams the focus mechanism. :-x
Beware the switch that is on the lower right front (as you are looking down the barrel of the lens) of the body - if you accidentally flip it to "2" certain capabilities may become disabled, depending on how it's configured (don't recall what the default is). It's a common stumbling block for new users.

Have you experimented with hi-res mode?
thanks for all this.

Yes, I'm using a mammoth Beseler enlarger that probably weights 80 lbs. And yes, thanks, stabilization off.

What is "the rotating switch on the body"?

I haven't used hi-res yet. I've seen comparisons on another board and didn't think it made much of a difference. I'm already getting 100 mps+ files out of my GFX-R kit. But, of course, these aren't pixel-shifted.

Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.

thanks again for taking the time to answer.
[...]

The "rotating switch" I am referring to is the switch that lets you choose between AF-S, AF-C, and MF. If you set it to MF you should also set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, otherwise some of the MF behaviors will not be available.
I was thinking of the "Fn Lever" at the lower left front of the body, which, by default, switches the camera to "silent mode" (including electronic shutter). I've managed to knock that, and then be quite puzzled why flash has just stopped working.
Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.
Generally speaking, Panasonic's hi-res mode is considered by some to be the best in the business. You get a 187 MP raw file on the card - no extra processing necessary - and you can configure it to also keep a regular raw file just in case things don't work out on the 187 MP file. Of course, motion can cause problems with hi-res, but if you are digitizing negatives that shouldn't be an issue. Generally speaking, in addition to the higher resolution files, you may find the colors and DR to be a little better as well. Seems like a no-brainer for digitizing negatives, but then you'll need to sort that out for yourself, of course.
Yes, the high-resolution mode is very good, when the subject is completely static. Not because it delivers significantly higher resolution - it doesn't, but because:
  • Aliasing - including moiré - is essentially eliminated. The oversampling pattern, which gives 1R,2G,1B samples both at the original pixel centres, plus (IIUC) the centres of the square gaps between the original pixel centres, combined with sinc(x)-like MTF of the sensor microlenses alone is enough to eliminate for practical purposes spatial frequencies above the Nyquist limit of the double-pixel-resolution output file, in all colour channels, before even considering the Airy Disc (diffraction) MTF, or the lens MTF.
  • SNR (per un-shifted pixel area) is improved by ~1.5EV. That's a lot. There's so little noise that there have been complaints on this forum about Mach-band effects in out-of-focus areas of High-Resolution mode images rendered at 8 bits/component, because there isn't enough noise to dither transitions between 8-bit R'G'B' values.
The 47MP S1R has a small enough pixel pitch (4.3μm) that it can usually - but not always - avoid bad aliasing effects in normal single-shot capture, even though it lacks an anti-aliasing filter on the front of the sensor. Sometimes stopping down to f/11 or more may be necessary to control aliasing.

The 24MP S1 & S5, with 5.9μm pixel pitch, and no AA filter, are quite prone to moiré and spurious colours at normal f/numbers in de-bayered images.

This DPR page allows comparison of S1 & S1R with- and without- High-resolution mode. The black-on-white text in the test scene is a good testcase. It's clear that HR mode doesn't turn an S1R into a Fuji GFX-100.

It's also interesting to compare Sony A7R4 (60MP) pixel-shift implementation with Panasonic's S1R (47MP) implementation on that DPR page. The A7R4 pixel-shifted images show noticeable aliasing in the form of stair-stepping on sharp diagonal edges, and colour fringing, which are not present in the S1R (or S1) HR images. Perhaps Sony could fix this with better PC software to combine the shifted images. Look at the slanted-edges and Siemens-stars in the scene.
Thanks so very, very much for all of this. All very helpful technical information, and comparing the various cameras on the DPR page you linked is terrific. The immediate take-away for me is that the SiR in High-rez mode outperforms my GFX-R.

Of course a glaring methodological problem here are the lenses. The S1R is using the Leica SL 90 Cron APO--which costs nearly 2x as much as the S1R itself.

This is extremely valuable for me and a great guide. In the end, I'll have to test (tonight) the S1R with the 70 and 105 Sigmas against the GFX-R with the Mamiya 645 120 macro on a high frequency pattern.

Thanks again!
 
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I'm starting to use the 105 with the S1R and it's a very capable combination.

As for setup tips, I'm assuming this is tripod based work, and you are turning off the in-body stabilization.
Indeed.
You can setup the focus assist to automatically zoom in when you twist the focus barrel, which can be handy or annoying, depending on the situation.

To get all the MF-goodness, be sure & set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, as well as the rotating switch on the body.
Switching either the lens M/A switch or the body M/S/C switch to MF has the same effect for me.

This being a fly-by-wire system, neither and both of the MF switches, of course [!], don't disable focus changes initiated by the camera, or even disable AF.

The AF-ON button still performs AF, AF can be triggered from the touch screen, and switching the camera off and on resets focus (unless "The camera memorises the focus position" is switched on).

This made me quite Whisky Tango Foxtrot when I first put the thing on a macro rail, since I'm used to setting the focus/magnification, with AF off at the lens, and then racking the camera on the rail to focus. Without the lens focus changing unless I change it myself. Of course, this isn't just a problem with macro, it's a problem any time we want to set up the camera, switch it off, and later switch it on and expect it to be in the state we left it in.

I sortof guess that some Panasonic beta tester wrote a not entirely polite email to Panasonic about the behaviour, leading to the "The camera memorises the focus position" menu option.

Perhaps Sigma could put a hole in the side of the lens, where we can put a locking pin that physically jams the focus mechanism. :-x
Beware the switch that is on the lower right front (as you are looking down the barrel of the lens) of the body - if you accidentally flip it to "2" certain capabilities may become disabled, depending on how it's configured (don't recall what the default is). It's a common stumbling block for new users.

Have you experimented with hi-res mode?
thanks for all this.

Yes, I'm using a mammoth Beseler enlarger that probably weights 80 lbs. And yes, thanks, stabilization off.

What is "the rotating switch on the body"?

I haven't used hi-res yet. I've seen comparisons on another board and didn't think it made much of a difference. I'm already getting 100 mps+ files out of my GFX-R kit. But, of course, these aren't pixel-shifted.

Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.

thanks again for taking the time to answer.
[...]

The "rotating switch" I am referring to is the switch that lets you choose between AF-S, AF-C, and MF. If you set it to MF you should also set the switch on the lens barrel to MF, otherwise some of the MF behaviors will not be available.
I was thinking of the "Fn Lever" at the lower left front of the body, which, by default, switches the camera to "silent mode" (including electronic shutter). I've managed to knock that, and then be quite puzzled why flash has just stopped working.
Have you tried the hi-res? has it made much of a difference.
Generally speaking, Panasonic's hi-res mode is considered by some to be the best in the business. You get a 187 MP raw file on the card - no extra processing necessary - and you can configure it to also keep a regular raw file just in case things don't work out on the 187 MP file. Of course, motion can cause problems with hi-res, but if you are digitizing negatives that shouldn't be an issue. Generally speaking, in addition to the higher resolution files, you may find the colors and DR to be a little better as well. Seems like a no-brainer for digitizing negatives, but then you'll need to sort that out for yourself, of course.
Yes, the high-resolution mode is very good, when the subject is completely static. Not because it delivers significantly higher resolution - it doesn't, but because:
  • Aliasing - including moiré - is essentially eliminated. The oversampling pattern, which gives 1R,2G,1B samples both at the original pixel centres, plus (IIUC) the centres of the square gaps between the original pixel centres, combined with sinc(x)-like MTF of the sensor microlenses alone is enough to eliminate for practical purposes spatial frequencies above the Nyquist limit of the double-pixel-resolution output file, in all colour channels, before even considering the Airy Disc (diffraction) MTF, or the lens MTF.
  • SNR (per un-shifted pixel area) is improved by ~1.5EV. That's a lot. There's so little noise that there have been complaints on this forum about Mach-band effects in out-of-focus areas of High-Resolution mode images rendered at 8 bits/component, because there isn't enough noise to dither transitions between 8-bit R'G'B' values.
The 47MP S1R has a small enough pixel pitch (4.3μm) that it can usually - but not always - avoid bad aliasing effects in normal single-shot capture, even though it lacks an anti-aliasing filter on the front of the sensor. Sometimes stopping down to f/11 or more may be necessary to control aliasing.

The 24MP S1 & S5, with 5.9μm pixel pitch, and no AA filter, are quite prone to moiré and spurious colours at normal f/numbers in de-bayered images.

This DPR page allows comparison of S1 & S1R with- and without- High-resolution mode. The black-on-white text in the test scene is a good testcase. It's clear that HR mode doesn't turn an S1R into a Fuji GFX-100.

It's also interesting to compare Sony A7R4 (60MP) pixel-shift implementation with Panasonic's S1R (47MP) implementation on that DPR page. The A7R4 pixel-shifted images show noticeable aliasing in the form of stair-stepping on sharp diagonal edges, and colour fringing, which are not present in the S1R (or S1) HR images. Perhaps Sony could fix this with better PC software to combine the shifted images. Look at the slanted-edges and Siemens-stars in the scene.
Thanks so very, very much for all of this. All very helpful technical information, and comparing the various cameras on the DPR page you linked is terrific. The immediate take-away for me is that the SiR in High-rez mode outperforms my GFX-R.

Of course a glaring methodological problem here are the lenses. The S1R is using the Leica SL 90 Cron APO--which costs nearly 2x as much as the S1R itself.

This is extremely valuable for me and a great guide. In the end, I'll have to test (tonight) the S1R with the 70 and 105 Sigmas against the GFX-R with the Mamiya 645 120 macro on a high frequency pattern.

Thanks again!
It will be interesting to see the results. Keep in mind that the hi-res files can be a little more picky about sharpening settings than the standard files - I have generally found that the S1R hi-res file benefit from stronger sharpening settings (both amount and radius) than normal files. This of course will depend on the lens used, the content, etc.

Interestingly, when I download the 187 MB S1R file from the comparison page referenced above, and then load it into Capture One, even at the default sharpening settings it looks noticeably sharper than what is shown in the comparison tool. So perhaps C1 does a better job with the HR files than LR? Not sure, but I agree the S1R HR shot looks soft in the comparison tool.

Anyway, be sure and experiment with sharpening on those HR files. If you prefer not to adjust sharpness, then the HR files may not have much appeal to you.

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Thanks so very, very much for all of this. All very helpful technical information, and comparing the various cameras on the DPR page you linked is terrific. The immediate take-away for me is that the SiR in High-rez mode outperforms my GFX-R.

Of course a glaring methodological problem here are the lenses. The S1R is using the Leica SL 90 Cron APO--which costs nearly 2x as much as the S1R itself.
Hmm. I can't find any quantitative review of the Leica lens.

Quantitative reviews of the Sigma 105mm DG DN Macro are quite favourable.

It seems quite sharp at f/4-f/5, depending on whether central sharpness or edge sharpness is more important to you.

With Leica, much of the price seems to be for the branding, and the exclusivity of the price. Much of Leica-branded lens design seems to be by Sigma folk these days.

Which of these lenses is better?
  1. https://www.wexphotovideo.com/leica-24-70mm-f2-8-vario-elmarit-sl-asph-lens-1778831/
  2. https://www.wexphotovideo.com/sigma-24-70mm-f2-8-af-dg-dn-art-lens-l-mount-1723032/
This is extremely valuable for me and a great guide. In the end, I'll have to test (tonight) the S1R with the 70 and 105 Sigmas against the GFX-R with the Mamiya 645 120 macro on a high frequency pattern.
Mamiya 645 120 macro - a classic. Let us know how you get on.
 
georgehudetz wrote
It will be interesting to see the results. Keep in mind that the hi-res files can be a little more picky about sharpening settings than the standard files - I have generally found that the S1R hi-res file benefit from stronger sharpening settings (both amount and radius) than normal files. This of course will depend on the lens used, the content, etc.

Interestingly, when I download the 187 MB S1R file from the comparison page referenced above, and then load it into Capture One, even at the default sharpening settings it looks noticeably sharper than what is shown in the comparison tool. So perhaps C1 does a better job with the HR files than LR? Not sure, but I agree the S1R HR shot looks soft in the comparison tool.

Anyway, be sure and experiment with sharpening on those HR files. If you prefer not to adjust sharpness, then the HR files may not have much appeal to you.
Thanks. I've taken to really liking Topaz Sharpen. I feel I get the equivalent of an extra stop of shutter speed from using it. Astonishing, to my eye, at least, at how quickly it's improved over the past (say) 18 months. So, yes, I'll keep that in mind: really appreciate it.
 
Thanks so very, very much for all of this. All very helpful technical information, and comparing the various cameras on the DPR page you linked is terrific. The immediate take-away for me is that the SiR in High-rez mode outperforms my GFX-R.

Of course a glaring methodological problem here are the lenses. The S1R is using the Leica SL 90 Cron APO--which costs nearly 2x as much as the S1R itself.
Hmm. I can't find any quantitative review of the Leica lens.

Quantitative reviews of the Sigma 105mm DG DN Macro are quite favourable.

It seems quite sharp at f/4-f/5, depending on whether central sharpness or edge sharpness is more important to you.

With Leica, much of the price seems to be for the branding, and the exclusivity of the price. Much of Leica-branded lens design seems to be by Sigma folk these days.

Which of these lenses is better?
  1. https://www.wexphotovideo.com/leica-24-70mm-f2-8-vario-elmarit-sl-asph-lens-1778831/
  2. https://www.wexphotovideo.com/sigma-24-70mm-f2-8-af-dg-dn-art-lens-l-mount-1723032/
This is extremely valuable for me and a great guide. In the end, I'll have to test (tonight) the S1R with the 70 and 105 Sigmas against the GFX-R with the Mamiya 645 120 macro on a high frequency pattern.
Mamiya 645 120 macro - a classic. Let us know how you get on.
Very much appreciate your advice about best aperture for the 105. Of course, the wider the aperture, the faster I can shoot, further minimizing vibrations. The Mamiya lens--a beauty--is quite obviously best at f/11--at least my copy--and so exposure tends to be longer.

You're right, of course, that just because it's Leica doesn't necessarily mean it's sharper. In fact, I don't think that lens is even a macro, which would be really weird. But I am quite sure that all the single focus L mounts are Leica born and bred. I think the zoom you pointed to is the only L mount that's rebadged. And even there, tests show different renderings on the same camera. I'm not a Leica fan-boy (though I own a few), but just pointing out that the lens will significantly impact the testing results.

thanks again!
 
georgehudetz wrote

It will be interesting to see the results. Keep in mind that the hi-res files can be a little more picky about sharpening settings than the standard files - I have generally found that the S1R hi-res file benefit from stronger sharpening settings (both amount and radius) than normal files. This of course will depend on the lens used, the content, etc.

Interestingly, when I download the 187 MB S1R file from the comparison page referenced above, and then load it into Capture One, even at the default sharpening settings it looks noticeably sharper than what is shown in the comparison tool. So perhaps C1 does a better job with the HR files than LR? Not sure, but I agree the S1R HR shot looks soft in the comparison tool.

Anyway, be sure and experiment with sharpening on those HR files. If you prefer not to adjust sharpness, then the HR files may not have much appeal to you.
Thanks. I've taken to really liking Topaz Sharpen. I feel I get the equivalent of an extra stop of shutter speed from using it. Astonishing, to my eye, at least, at how quickly it's improved over the past (say) 18 months. So, yes, I'll keep that in mind: really appreciate it.
Interesting - I have not tried Topaz on a HR file. Please let us know what you find.
 

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