Foggy8
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Too bad it’s a film camera. Anything available with these specs in a digital camera having a sensor larger than m4/3?
That would be nice.
That would be nice.
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Full frame 35, 28-120mm, weighing 7 oz
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Not with that range, and certainly not at that weight. The closest thing might be something like the Canon G1X iii. That has an APS-C sensor and a 24-70 (FF equivalent) f/2.8-5.6 zoom lens, but it's twice the weight of this Pentax. And if you're OK with m43, the Panasonic LX100ii has a fairly bright 24-75 (FF equiv.) zoom lens, but again, it's twice the weight of the Pentax.Too bad it’s a film camera. Anything available with these specs in a digital camera having a sensor larger than m4/3?
That would be nice.
The Fuji X100 and Ricoh GR series both offer APS-C sensors with faster lenses (and the Ricoh is only 9 oz.), but they're both fixed-prime-lens cameras, not zooms. And of course the Leica Q2 is a high MP full-frame sensor, but again, it's a prime lens, it weighs well more than 7 oz, and it's incredibly expensive.
So it's just a matter of where you want to make the trade-offs between sensor size, range, speed, price, etc.
You might want to look around in some of the point and shoot forums here at dpr to see some of the photos shared by owners of the various small sensor pocket type cameras. I believe you will see that there are many 1" type sensor cameras and some 1/1.7" and 1/2.3" sensor cameras that are nearly that size and can outperform the little 35mm film ones like the Pentax by a wide margin.
Foggy8
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You read my mind. On my walk yesterday I tested the Pentax film camera with a Canon a1400 which has an OVF like the Pentax and a 28-140 lens, close to the Pentax 28-120. The Canon has a 1/2.3” sensor and no RAW.
I looked at the Canon images and they are fine. I still have a 12 exposures left in the Pentax so no comparisons yet.
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1" sensor: Canon G5Xii 24-120 eq
aps-c sensor: Canon G1xiii 24-72 eq
aps-c sensor: Canon G1xiii 24-72 eq
Hope you took some comparison shots. I would love to know the results. I have threatened to do that some time with one of my old 35mm pocket cameras and one of my digital point and shoots, but just can't get myself motivated to do it. But from looking at a lot of old prints from some of my film point and shoots, I will almost bet you that the pocket digital produces better results.
Let us know what the comparison shows if you get some. Enjoy, that's what it's all about. To me enjoying my cameras is way more important than the ultimate image quality required for 20x24 prints. If it looks great and has good details viewed full screen on my high resolution screens it's good enough for me.
Let us know what the comparison shows if you get some. Enjoy, that's what it's all about. To me enjoying my cameras is way more important than the ultimate image quality required for 20x24 prints. If it looks great and has good details viewed full screen on my high resolution screens it's good enough for me.
strawbale
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My 1/1.7" 28-200 (eq) Nikon P7800 gives better prints than my Yashica T4 did.
Foggy8
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Absolutely Bob. Thanks.
Foggy8
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Zoom lens and small format beats prime lens and full frame. What’s this world coming to?
Love that sensor size. I have a Canon S95 and a Olympus Stylus 1 with it and they are both excellent producers. It's a shame that mfg's seemed to abandon it. The newer 1" type is probably a bit better, but not a huge difference. I do believe the 1" does higher iso better.
strawbale
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Probably, but when I compared iso 100 shots of my P7800 with identical shots with a borrowed RX10mk2, I didn't see a noticeable difference when filling my 27" monitor.
strawbale
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I know - at the same time these T4's are fetching $500+ on eBay :-OZoom lens and small format beats prime lens and full frame. What’s this world coming to?
PS: check some of my gallery photos at original size
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strawbale
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Indeed!I can believe that. The 1/1.17" sensor just works better than it seems like it should based on physical size. My Oly Stylus 1 holds up well up to 800 iso or so quite well I think.
PS: check some of my gallery photos at original size
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Sony RX 100 VI?
Foggy8
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Hi Bob, I finished my roll and should have the comparisons in a few days. In the meantime while looking through some photos I took on a Minolta Freedom Escort (34mm f3.5 lens), the photos showed nice bokeh on the full frame image compared to what I would get from a 1/1.7" sensor unless I purposely shot everything at f2 which takes the fun out of just pointing and shooting. The film shots were shot with little technical thought except remembering to turn the flash to off.
Other than the shallower depth of field of the higher end 35mm P&S cameras, the 1/1.7" sensors should produce "better" results.
Minolta Freedom Escort 34mm f3.5 lens
That is my belief also. But as noted I have not made any attempt to shoot any comparison shots of the same subject with film and digital for probably 20 years at the least. And as memory serves me, some old 6mp and less cameras could match film prints way back then when I did do a fair amount of comparison between film and digital with mp ratings between 2.7 and 6 mp. And too lazy in my old age to dig out a film camera and repeat test today, but I am sure it would have me wondering how we ever got by with film.
Foggy8
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I am comparing two consumer grade zoom point and shoot cameras. The 35mm full frame film camera has a 28-120mm lens. The digital compact is a Canon A1400 with a 28-140mm (equiv.) lens and a 1/2.3" sensor size. Descriptions accompany the images.
Size comparison
Canon A1400 unedited file shot at ISO 100
Pentax IQ Zoom 120SW original scan from the lab Fujicolor 200 film
Canon A1400 crop file size about 900x1400
Pentax IQZ crop file size about 900 x1400
Canon A1400 edited to my liking
Pentax IQZ 120sw film camera edited to my liking
Size comparison
Canon A1400 unedited file shot at ISO 100
Pentax IQ Zoom 120SW original scan from the lab Fujicolor 200 film
Canon A1400 crop file size about 900x1400
Pentax IQZ crop file size about 900 x1400
Canon A1400 edited to my liking
Pentax IQZ 120sw film camera edited to my liking
:-D pictures speak louder than words --- nuff said. Does not surprise me at all. Actually closer than I expected. Shows how good we have it today for sure. Especially with how crazy bad many think the little sensors are, and that one is consumer all the way and a few generations old even. Great comparison. Hope a bunch of folks see this.
Thanks for the effort.
Thanks for the effort.
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