Planning for obsolescence

MyM6II said:

nnowak said:

I pulled up the elgiganten.se website you are referencing. Under the interchangeable lens camera category, they only have 2 Canon, 1 Olympus, 6 Panasonic, and 10 Sony cameras. If you are traveling to Sweden it looks like you would be better off packing a Sony kit,

M4Mobility said:

So explain again to the 25 million price sensitive to various degree customers why the only Canon available to them is obsoleted by camera which by all accounts doesn't really exist.

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A better question would be why Sony has 5 times as many models for sale compared to Canon. It looks like Canon does not care to sell any cameras to that region, regardless of mount.

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Making such conclusions based on just one website, is just ridiculous.

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So I take it Fujifilm has zero interest in sellng X-T4 to oil rich norwegians?

EL Kjob/El Giganten er is not just another website, it is the best buy of the nordics and is owned by same company which owns Dixons in the UK.

Of course there are specialist stores selling EOS R and highend Fuji in the nordics

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Kwick1 said:

Let’s assume for a second that the rumors of the M line coming to an end are true. How are you planning for the end?

Buying a spare body? Lenses? Switching now? Not worrying about it?

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Hi!

I have M and M6 and plenty of lenses. I also use other brands/ systems. This is no existential crisis...

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MyM6II said:

PhotoKhan said:

Larry Rexley said:

The demise of M has been a constant theme since I bought into the system 2.5 years

ago.

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2.5...?...Try 6 years.

People keep talking about its demise, when it sells by the boatload in Asia. Why would a brand kill a line that accounts for 30% of their mirrorless sales?

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I think it was 30% of their total camera revenue. (not only mirrorless.)

M4Mobility said:

This mix of negative wishfull thinking with illogical reasoning has become a case study.

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It's like a cult. ;-)

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being an RP and an M6II owner, news of the R10 and likely future R100 is disheartening

it likely means they quit producing the m6II

it likely means they probably will not develop another sub $1000 RP FF update

it likely means that they will only take RF-s glass as far as they took EF-s glass - lackluster

it likely means that the sizes will be bigger

it likely means the pricing will be higher

it likely means the IQ will not match m32 f1.4 and siggy trio quality

the R7 was the right direction for birders and sports shooters with long L

but R10, R100 without RF-s glass up to m32 f1.4 and m11-22 and siggy trio standards, makes little sense to me

Canon is going to get their lunch eaten imo without having the glass or a roadmap - and giving up small and value pricing makes no sense

with no roadmap, and inferior apsc small glass, many will flee, including me

sony and fuji, with some good body updates, will win apsc with that siggy glass 16, 30, 56, 18-50

MAC said:

MyM6II said:

PhotoKhan said:

Larry Rexley said:

The demise of M has been a constant theme since I bought into the system 2.5 years

ago.

Click to expand...

2.5...?...Try 6 years.

People keep talking about its demise, when it sells by the boatload in Asia. Why would a brand kill a line that accounts for 30% of their mirrorless sales?

Click to expand...

I think it was 30% of their total camera revenue. (not only mirrorless.)

MAC said:

This mix of negative wishfull thinking with illogical reasoning has become a case study.

Click to expand...

It's like a cult. ;-)

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Canon is going to get their lunch eaten imo without having the glass or a roadmap - and giving up small and value pricing makes no sense

with no roadmap, and inferior apsc small glass, many will flee, including me

sony and fuji, with some good body updates, will win apsc with that siggy glass 16, 30, 56, 18-50

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They are counting on the size difference between RF-S and EF-M not being a deal breaker for most people. Especially since phones are increasingly taking over the compact market. Sony and Fuji are bigger than EOS M, and comparatively pretty expensive, after all, so I don't see why Canon couldn't compete with them if they want to. Surely you can see the cost benefit to focusing on a single mount. I think it's pretty clear this is the direction Canon is headed, regardless of what we would like them to do.

dan the man p said:

MAC said:

MyM6II said:

PhotoKhan said:

Larry Rexley said:

The demise of M has been a constant theme since I bought into the system 2.5 years

ago.

Click to expand...

2.5...?...Try 6 years.

People keep talking about its demise, when it sells by the boatload in Asia. Why would a brand kill a line that accounts for 30% of their mirrorless sales?

Click to expand...

I think it was 30% of their total camera revenue. (not only mirrorless.)

dan the man p said:

This mix of negative wishfull thinking with illogical reasoning has become a case study.

Click to expand...

It's like a cult. ;-)

Click to expand...

Canon is going to get their lunch eaten imo without having the glass or a roadmap - and giving up small and value pricing makes no sense

with no roadmap, and inferior apsc small glass, many will flee, including me

sony and fuji, with some good body updates, will win apsc with that siggy glass 16, 30, 56, 18-50

Click to expand...

They are counting on the size difference between RF-S and EF-M not being a deal breaker for most people. Especially since phones are increasingly taking over the compact market. Sony and Fuji are bigger than EOS M, and comparatively pretty expensive, after all, so I don't see why Canon couldn't compete with them if they want to. Surely you can see the cost benefit to focusing on a single mount. I think it's pretty clear this is the direction Canon is headed, regardless of what we would like them to do.

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Except for 1 orphan mount, canon doesn’t do f1.4 lenses for APSc - and canon hasn’t developed a 18-50 f2.8 as good as sigma

MAC said:

dan the man p said:

MAC said:

MyM6II said:

PhotoKhan said:

Larry Rexley said:

The demise of M has been a constant theme since I bought into the system 2.5 years

ago.

Click to expand...

2.5...?...Try 6 years.

People keep talking about its demise, when it sells by the boatload in Asia. Why would a brand kill a line that accounts for 30% of their mirrorless sales?

Click to expand...

I think it was 30% of their total camera revenue. (not only mirrorless.)

MAC said:

This mix of negative wishfull thinking with illogical reasoning has become a case study.

Click to expand...

It's like a cult. ;-)

Click to expand...

Canon is going to get their lunch eaten imo without having the glass or a roadmap - and giving up small and value pricing makes no sense

with no roadmap, and inferior apsc small glass, many will flee, including me

sony and fuji, with some good body updates, will win apsc with that siggy glass 16, 30, 56, 18-50

Click to expand...

They are counting on the size difference between RF-S and EF-M not being a deal breaker for most people. Especially since phones are increasingly taking over the compact market. Sony and Fuji are bigger than EOS M, and comparatively pretty expensive, after all, so I don't see why Canon couldn't compete with them if they want to. Surely you can see the cost benefit to focusing on a single mount. I think it's pretty clear this is the direction Canon is headed, regardless of what we would like them to do.

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Except for 1 orphan mount, canon doesn’t do f1.4 lenses for APSc - and canon hasn’t developed a 18-50 f2.8 as good as sigma

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Then what makes you think they care so much about competing with Sony and Fuji in APS-C?

dan the man p said:

MAC said:

dan the man p said:

MAC said:

MyM6II said:

PhotoKhan said:

Larry Rexley said:

The demise of M has been a constant theme since I bought into the system 2.5 years

ago.

Click to expand...

2.5...?...Try 6 years.

People keep talking about its demise, when it sells by the boatload in Asia. Why would a brand kill a line that accounts for 30% of their mirrorless sales?

Click to expand...

I think it was 30% of their total camera revenue. (not only mirrorless.)

dan the man p said:

This mix of negative wishfull thinking with illogical reasoning has become a case study.

Click to expand...

It's like a cult. ;-)

Click to expand...

Canon is going to get their lunch eaten imo without having the glass or a roadmap - and giving up small and value pricing makes no sense

with no roadmap, and inferior apsc small glass, many will flee, including me

sony and fuji, with some good body updates, will win apsc with that siggy glass 16, 30, 56, 18-50

Click to expand...

They are counting on the size difference between RF-S and EF-M not being a deal breaker for most people. Especially since phones are increasingly taking over the compact market. Sony and Fuji are bigger than EOS M, and comparatively pretty expensive, after all, so I don't see why Canon couldn't compete with them if they want to. Surely you can see the cost benefit to focusing on a single mount. I think it's pretty clear this is the direction Canon is headed, regardless of what we would like them to do.

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Except for 1 orphan mount, canon doesn’t do f1.4 lenses for APSc - and canon hasn’t developed a 18-50 f2.8 as good as sigma

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Then what makes you think they care so much about competing with Sony and Fuji in APS-C?

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they have competed with the sony and the fuji with the m mount that represents up to 30% of their business

with RF-s though, they could lose that competitive edge to compete, as I've explained in this thread

KEG said:

MyM6II said:

nnowak said:

I pulled up the elgiganten.se website you are referencing. Under the interchangeable lens camera category, they only have 2 Canon, 1 Olympus, 6 Panasonic, and 10 Sony cameras. If you are traveling to Sweden it looks like you would be better off packing a Sony kit,

KEG said:

So explain again to the 25 million price sensitive to various degree customers why the only Canon available to them is obsoleted by camera which by all accounts doesn't really exist.

Click to expand...

A better question would be why Sony has 5 times as many models for sale compared to Canon. It looks like Canon does not care to sell any cameras to that region, regardless of mount.

Click to expand...

Making such conclusions based on just one website, is just ridiculous.

Click to expand...

Let me add another:

So I take it Fujifilm has zero interest in sellng X-T4 to oil rich norwegians?

EL Kjob/El Giganten er is not just another website, it is the best buy of the nordics and is owned by same company which owns Dixons in the UK.

Of course there are specialist stores selling EOS R and highend Fuji in the nordics

Click to expand...

Power.se has:

10 Canon
10 Panasonic
3 Sony
0 Fuji

MyM6II said:

KEG said:

MyM6II said:

nnowak said:

I pulled up the elgiganten.se website you are referencing. Under the interchangeable lens camera category, they only have 2 Canon, 1 Olympus, 6 Panasonic, and 10 Sony cameras. If you are traveling to Sweden it looks like you would be better off packing a Sony kit,

M4Mobility said:

So explain again to the 25 million price sensitive to various degree customers why the only Canon available to them is obsoleted by camera which by all accounts doesn't really exist.

Click to expand...

A better question would be why Sony has 5 times as many models for sale compared to Canon. It looks like Canon does not care to sell any cameras to that region, regardless of mount.

Click to expand...

Making such conclusions based on just one website, is just ridiculous.

Click to expand...

Let me add another:

So I take it Fujifilm has zero interest in sellng X-T4 to oil rich norwegians?

EL Kjob/El Giganten er is not just another website, it is the best buy of the nordics and is owned by same company which owns Dixons in the UK.

Of course there are specialist stores selling EOS R and highend Fuji in the nordics

Click to expand...

Power.se has:

10 Canon
10 Panasonic
3 Sony
0 Fuji

Click to expand...

You can also use prisjakt.nu

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KEG

dan the man p said:

MAC said:

MyM6II said:

PhotoKhan said:

Larry Rexley said:

The demise of M has been a constant theme since I bought into the system 2.5 years

ago.

Click to expand...

2.5...?...Try 6 years.

People keep talking about its demise, when it sells by the boatload in Asia. Why would a brand kill a line that accounts for 30% of their mirrorless sales?

Click to expand...

I think it was 30% of their total camera revenue. (not only mirrorless.)

dan the man p said:

This mix of negative wishfull thinking with illogical reasoning has become a case study.

Click to expand...

It's like a cult. ;-)

Click to expand...

Canon is going to get their lunch eaten imo without having the glass or a roadmap - and giving up small and value pricing makes no sense

with no roadmap, and inferior apsc small glass, many will flee, including me

sony and fuji, with some good body updates, will win apsc with that siggy glass 16, 30, 56, 18-50

Click to expand...

They are counting on the size difference between RF-S and EF-M not being a deal breaker for most people. Especially since phones are increasingly taking over the compact market. Sony and Fuji are bigger than EOS M, and comparatively pretty expensive, after all, so I don't see why Canon couldn't compete with them if they want to. Surely you can see the cost benefit to focusing on a single mount.

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There isn't much cost benefit to EF-s users, and a huge cost to EOS M users as none of their EF-M lenses can be adapted to RF-s mount. The cost benefit to Canon is not having to spend much time and effort developing APS-C lenses. And having a feeder from APS-C to FF, if that's a thing any more. The RF-s 18-45mm is brand new and simpler than the EF-M 15-45mm and the RF-s 18-150mm looks very similar to the EF-M one. All they're missing is an ultra-wide zoom, and the cynics might think they would hold off on that, sell you the 15-30mm as an improved standard zoom, then sell you the RP to turn it into an ultra-wide zoom.

dan the man p said:

I think it's pretty clear this is the direction Canon is headed, regardless of what we would like them to do.

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