Have camera makers "abandoned" entry level?

Somewhat valid for the folks that might be on some forums or in a photo club, but a doubt that is a drop in a bucket compared to the thousands of potential buyers that stroll through each and every big box store on Friday evening (payday) just ready to spend money. But typically not looking to drop their entire weeks pay on one item.
Off topic, but is what you describe a thing that actually happens in, presumably, the US? Do you get payed weekly? In cash, even?
I let Bob tell you the US version (or you can Google it...) but

as a comparison, this is the Australian way :

As at August 2020, the data indicated that 31% of employees are paid weekly; 50% are paid fortnightly; 13% paid monthly; and 6% are paid quarterly or infrequently.
 
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I wouldn't actually be surprised if the used market is part of the reason why theres been less focus on entry level.
I tend to agree.
As improvements in digital cameras have slowed down buying used has I'd say become a better option. I'm guessing part of the reason blogger cams are the one area they do focus on more for entry level is thats one area were buying used isnt as easy as improvements in video in recent years have been greater.
Definitely. It takes a while for gear created for new markets and new applications to get into the used market.
If you were shooting stills for that kind of money you could say buy a used D810 in good condition When entry level cameras were at their peak in the late 00's and early 00's there really wasnt the chance of doing that.

Video though were still in a rapid advancement phase so modern tech hasnt really filtered onto the cheaper end of the used market yet, theres still a reason to sell entry level bodies there that can beat the performance of used higher end cams from 5+ years ago.
 
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My last three or four cameras have been secondhand, there are so many cameras out there, you can pick up a camera in excellent to mint condition for a lot less than the cost of new and lenses too. I have traded in several times with WEX photo and never had a problem and I have just used MPB for the first time and traded in my Olympus gear towards a secondhand Sony RX10iv. So there is plenty of choice for the budget conscious
 
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Totally agree. When the first digital full-frame cameras came out they were very expensive. Just look at the Canon 5D, which came out just after I graduated from high school. It was 3299! Now look at the Canon RP, which is only $999. That's entry level, and the RP of course crushes the 5D in every way imaginable.

Now, at one point there was a surge of extremely low entry level cameras, like the Nikon D3200 whose new price was around $350.
I don't doubt your memory of the D3200 being available for so little, but Imaging Resource's review from 2012 indicates it didn't start out that way, "The Nikon D3200 started shipping April 2012 as a kit with the Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR lens for US$700."
You are right. I was remembering the camera when I went to see it in 2016 and body only.
 
We have less choices, new or used simply because there are far less cameras being sold globally, each and every year. I assume that's it also actually cheaper to make an mirrorless camera as opposed to an DSLR. It's certainly less weight with far more plastic being used as opposed to more exotics build materials. But yet the price is often double.
Could you provide examples in which cameras offering same level of performance and marketed to same general audience are built of cheap materials and at twice the cost? I see a lot of similar spec’d cameras reporting same magnesium bodies and very similar prices. The Z9, for example, is actually less expensive than the DSLR it replaces. The R5 released at a same price as the 5D-IV did in 2017.
 
I strongly believe this, but suppose the manufacturers have statistics to lead them to believe otherwise.
 
Running that through the US inflation calculator, that's $975 in 2022 money.
and that doesn’t count the ongoing cost of film and processing. That was the hidden, sunken cost of using film cameras. If you were an avid amateur photographer that could easily be hundreds of dollars per year. If you were a professional, it was thousands but you marked up that cost and passed it along to your clients. I suspect it was the profits from film sales which kept most camera stores in business.
 
Yes. Smartphones are the new entry level.

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I remember going camera shopping with a friend around 1984. He ended up with a Nikon FG, Nikon's entry level camera of the day. The FG launched in 1982, at $325. Running that through the US inflation calculator, that's $975 in 2022 money. There are a ton of capable cameras today at that price point.
My first ICL was a Minolta SRT101 purchased in 1969-70 with a 50mm lens for around $150. That's $1200 in today's money.
 
How true, folks who started with digital probably don't think much about that and how good things are now that way. I can remember way way way back when that I could go and buy a roll of film, 24 or 36 exposures, then send it in for processing, sometimes even had to purchase flash bulbs, and spend the biggest part of a day's take home pay. And then also, if you did something stupid and messed up could end up with no photos at all for the same money and not know it until it came back from the processor. Now outside of prints, it's all free on that part of it.
 
Ditto. I live in San Francisco, a tourist hot spot and jumping off spot for wine country, mountains, etc. I see large numbers of tourists from all over the world. Very few are using a camera of any type. The smartphone is it for whatever results it produces. A digital zoom is fine because most of the pics will be viewed on another small device. Probably few are printed and in 15 years of so, most will probably be gone or not usable due to technology changes, software etc. No memories in a photo album for the next generation. A visual text message, soon gone.

Greg
 
If you were an avid amateur photographer that could easily be hundreds of dollars per year.
Month. Fixed that for ya. My first “pro” digital body — considered an extravagance by many — easily paid for itself within a year.

Stay poor. Shoot Film.
 
The way it looks they keep removing a layer of cameras till there will only be pro ones left at this rate.

Yes phones are great now but i still hate shooting with them, its not the same at all.
 
Yes, because entry level is now a smartphone ..

My Moto smart phone only cost me £160 and the camera isn't bad at all.

Mark_A
 
... is that 'entry level" has been taken over by cell phones. If someone really wants to delve into the world of dedicated camera gear though, they can get something that may not be dirt cheap, but isn't much more (and maybe even less than a current iphone... so I don't see the prices as being restrictive. Any camera these days can be run in program mode so they're definitely beginner friendly just as even cheaper cameras have manual settings if one wants to mess with that... so I don't see that something that's dedicated for beginners is really even necessary. It seems to me that a lot of the attraction to moving from a cell phone to a dedicated camera would be in the challenge of learning just how photography works and thus having some manual control...
 
Running that through the US inflation calculator, that's $975 in 2022 money.
and that doesn’t count the ongoing cost of film and processing. That was the hidden, sunken cost of using film cameras. If you were an avid amateur photographer that could easily be hundreds of dollars per year. If you were a professional, it was thousands but you marked up that cost and passed it along to your clients. I suspect it was the profits from film sales which kept most camera stores in business.
Also D&P , in particular if you had a busy mini lab, as well as accessories in general.

Filters, lens caps, hoods, cleaning kits, gadget bags , tripods, cable release etc, all had 50-200% mark up. Without them a brick and mortar store could not have remained in business selling cameras at 10-20% mark up most often selling them well after they were already fully paid .
 
Most first time camera buyers aren't going to buy a high-end camera. Without entry level cameras to attract first time buyers, camera companies will eventually die.
They know the market will dry up soon, so they make as much money they can right now, and that is the high end segment.
 

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