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The phablets are eating the laptops - maybe shoot vertical?

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Brad Bohland said:
Mark B. said:
Brad Bohland said:
I never got the point of social media. What is it?
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If you don't get it now, nobody can explain it to you. You either like it, or you don't and either one is ok.
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Yes, and you could say the same applies to the vertical/horizontal debate.
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Except...there's no reason not to shoot horizontally when the situation calls for it. It isn't something like social media that's optional. Shooting horizontally is - literally - right there for the user at all times.
 
tbcass said:
Brad Bohland said:
I never got the point of social media. What is it?
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I get the point but have little interest in it. Social media is mostly for communicating with friends and has taken the place of email, phone calls, and letters by mail.
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I don't want Facebook in my business so I only post non-personal stuff. All personal communications go by other means.
 
Carey Brown said:
tbcass said:
Brad Bohland said:
I never got the point of social media. What is it?
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I get the point but have little interest in it. Social media is mostly for communicating with friends and has taken the place of email, phone calls, and letters by mail.
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I don't want Facebook in my business so I only post non-personal stuff. All personal communications go by other means.
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It's actually pretty easy to only share posts with people on your friend list and not with everyone on FB, or even with just select friends/family.
 
The nice thing about phones, tablets and "phablets" is that they auto-orient. I shoot mostly horizontal (for computer viewing) and just turn the phone or other device as needed.

Tablets (to me) are castrated laptops. They just can't do as much, except be portable. They are cheap, but their capability is commensurate with the price, most of the time.

I read something a year or two ago, where some agency was using reporters with their cell phones to take pix. Their only rule was to shoot horizontal as a rule. (leaving aside the fact that reporters are probably not the best photographers, even when the phone is adequate)
 
Mark B. said:
Carey Brown said:
tbcass said:
Brad Bohland said:
I never got the point of social media. What is it?
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I get the point but have little interest in it. Social media is mostly for communicating with friends and has taken the place of email, phone calls, and letters by mail.
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I don't want Facebook in my business so I only post non-personal stuff. All personal communications go by other means.
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It's actually pretty easy to only share posts with people on your friend list and not with everyone on FB, or even with just select friends/family.
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I'm not concerned about "everyone", just Facebook themselves.
 
In this age of "giga"pixel sensor, why not make a big old round sensor, have the user pick preference between portrait or landscape. If set to landscape, ANY picture/video taken with the device at ANY angle would be automatically rotated and saved as landscape. This would also help with all the pictures with crooked horizons. Fix this before shooting so we don't have to fix it in post. Crooked horizon videos and stills...solved! Of course there would be an override feature so one could intentionally take a crooked picture.
 
Lucio Cicuto said:
In this age of "giga"pixel sensor, why not make a big old round sensor, have the user pick preference between portrait or landscape. If set to landscape, ANY picture/video taken with the device at ANY angle would be automatically rotated and saved as landscape. This would also help with all the pictures with crooked horizons. Fix this before shooting so we don't have to fix it in post. Crooked horizon videos and stills...solved! Of course there would be an override feature so one could intentionally take a crooked picture.
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Not everyone wants every picture saved as landscape. This is a non existent problem
 
Lucio Cicuto said:
I said make it a selectable feature like setting auto-focus. Not everyone like auto-"anything" all the time either.
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I still don't get the point. Why would someone want a photo taken with a device in portrait orientation to come out as landscape? Esp since the preview would get super small? Seems like a solution in search of a problem
 
Smaug01 said:
The nice thing about phones, tablets and "phablets" is that they auto-orient. I shoot mostly horizontal (for computer viewing) and just turn the phone or other device as needed.

Tablets (to me) are castrated laptops. They just can't do as much, except be portable. They are cheap, but their capability is commensurate with the price, most of the time.

I read something a year or two ago, where some agency was using reporters with their cell phones to take pix. Their only rule was to shoot horizontal as a rule. (leaving aside the fact that reporters are probably not the best photographers, even when the phone is adequate)
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Tablets work in the app ecosphere, laptops in the traditional desktop ecosphere. Each have their place. I am on a tablet a lot every day doing things I don't really do on my laptop.
 
sportyaccordy said:
Funny enough, I just went on a vacation and shot with nothing but my phone. I cast my gallery to my Roku + TV, and immediately regret shooting all the videos vertically. Amazingly, the video & photo IQ of the phone held up on my 55" TV, even when zoomed in. I mean it wasn't phenomenal, but it looked no worse than a streamed broadcast. So even the IQ argument for ILCs is shaky.
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Streamed broadcasts look terrible when you hit pause so you are supporting the IQ argument for ILCs. The constant motion of video hides the flaws.
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But yes, the viewing medium absolutely matters, and has become another reason ILCs are irrelevant to the mass market.
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Why do you bring up the mass market? It's not relevant to DPR members.
 
tbcass said:
sportyaccordy said:
Funny enough, I just went on a vacation and shot with nothing but my phone. I cast my gallery to my Roku + TV, and immediately regret shooting all the videos vertically. Amazingly, the video & photo IQ of the phone held up on my 55" TV, even when zoomed in. I mean it wasn't phenomenal, but it looked no worse than a streamed broadcast. So even the IQ argument for ILCs is shaky.
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Streamed broadcasts look terrible when you hit pause so you are supporting the IQ argument for ILCs. The constant motion of video hides the flaws.
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You are conflating two unrelated things (still and video IQ). Evaluating video IQ with stills IQ standards is a red herring. ILC video IQ is also worse than ILC stills IQ too.

IMO the content out of the phone had good enough IQ, even on a 55" TV, that the IQ boost from a "real camera" would not have been worth the added hassle.
tbcass said:
tbcass said:
But yes, the viewing medium absolutely matters, and has become another reason ILCs are irrelevant to the mass market.
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Why do you bring up the mass market? It's not relevant to DPR members.
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It's only irrelevant to anyone who never plans on buying gear ever again, or to people who don't use social media etc. The whole trajectory of the camera industry over the last 2 decades was hugely impacted by the mass market's entry and exodus.
 
You are right! Bad idea.

But I still think in camera auto-leveling will eliminate all the crooked pictures I take when I rush to take one while focussing on the subject and don't pay attention to the level.
 
Lucio Cicuto said:
You are right! Bad idea.

But I still think in camera auto-leveling will eliminate all the crooked pictures I take when I rush to take one while focussing on the subject and don't pay attention to the level.
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This I could see being helpful. I was going to say, maybe a square camera in a fully rotating housing but I don't know how the wiring would work. Maybe having IBIS also work to straighten the camera.... something.
 
Lucio Cicuto said:
In this age of "giga"pixel sensor, why not make a big old round sensor, have the user pick preference between portrait or landscape. If set to landscape, ANY picture/video taken with the device at ANY angle would be automatically rotated and saved as landscape. This would also help with all the pictures with crooked horizons. Fix this before shooting so we don't have to fix it in post. Crooked horizon videos and stills...solved! Of course there would be an override feature so one could intentionally take a crooked picture.
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Not exactly what you're describing, but Canon's recent R7 appears to have an option for auto-leveling the horizon using image stabilization. I don't know how much of a tilt it can handle though.
 
Brad Bohland said:
tbcass said:
Brad Bohland said:
I never got the point of social media. What is it?
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I get the point but have little interest in it. Social media is mostly for communicating with friends and has taken the place of email, phone calls, and letters by mail.
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Communicating, entertaining, informing. Not to my (elitist) taste either.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that social media is not social at all. We are a hyper-individualized society and look to our devices to escape the loneliness and boredom caused by our social isolation. We have a virtual social life to make up for the lack of a real social life. We're like the character in Woody Allen's Sleeper who falls in love with the virtual love machine. Is it vertical or horizontal? Who cares, it's a robot and it keeps us company either way.
 
Strobist said:
With the trend of larger and larger mobiles, and the fact that 98.3% of facebook users log into the mobile, while only 1.7% use laptop/desktop exclusively, there is a lesson to be learnt here:

Like it or not, the vertical online photography and vertical videos are here to reign.

(not everybody care to twist their phone in landscape mode - far, far from it.)

Vertical does not just apply to personal sharing, commercial giants like Coca Cola and BMW know exactly how their customers behave from market feedback - and they have turned to vertical online campaigns.

So if you only photograph for yourself, and not to share with others, any format would do.

But if you are competing for customers *online* or do share photographs for fun *online* - can you afford to not shoot vertically, when so many has left their laptop behind, and watching/working vertically on their phablets?

I guess some airheads will say, nah, my art is so great that people will turn their mobiles to landscape mode when they watch my masterpieces, or Im really an modern Ansel, my art is too great for mobile, it can only be printed large and seen in fine-art exhibitions.

To them i would say, sure buddy, sure...
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Some platforms like instagram are so restrictive that they don't even allow a vertical image beyond 4x5 ratio. They only want squares and the vast majority of users on instagram post squares.

Oddly, instagram allows wide screen images, I think to 16x9 ratio, but no wider. The problem is the instagram app does not allow rotating the phone, so, that's dumb!

Head over to Youtube and you'll find that 99% of the videos are still widescreen orientation.

100% of movies and TV are still produced in widescreen format.

You can buy a 65 inch TV, a Roku, and Netflix for a year for less money than the latest iPhone costs.
 
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