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What do you plan to do with you M gear?
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^ this
no 32, no 11-22, no 56, no 16, no 18-50, no apsc birding lens
to get great IQ from an R7 you need to go heavy and spend A FORTUNE
NO DEAL
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The M50II catches up eyes being smaller in the frame (it does this even better than the M6II). That might be a reason to put the more telephoto on the mkI and the wider angle on the mkII.
For me the M6II + 32mm are a problem sometimes with subject tracking when subjects are smaller in the frame. (I'm switching to R5 + 50mm Art in these cases, but M50II + Sigma 30mm is a whole lot more compact....). If you use single point AF and do the tracing yourself it might be a different story as this is reported to work better.
A very nice way to solve the dilemma is upgrading the mkI to another mkII. 620 euro only, viewfinder included. That's a bargain.....
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for me is also not the right answer/choice available. :-(
I just came back from my first international airtravel trip with Sony RX 10 IV (plus RX 100 VII) as travel camera instead of my M-system. I like it a lot to have 1 camera with a great (IQ) lens and wide focal range at hand without swapping lenses and other accessory.
Also packing was a lot easier and no need to contemplate which lens to take and which to leave back home. Camera, flash, spare batteries, mini tripod and polarizer in a small massenger bag, stowed with tablet and other stuff in my standard backpack as carry-on item. So far I am happy with the performance of the 1" sensor as it meeets my needs...
Next trip by plane will be to Portugal in July, again with small travel package for more in-depth testing.
In fall, I will be travelling by car and will take M-system in addition to find out what I like better in the end.
As of today, I might just hang on to what I have at this time and use M for local stuff and the Sonys on tour.
For now I am undecided about what to do with my M-gear; keep or sell it.
for me is also not the right answer/choice available. :-(
I just came back from my first international airtravel trip with Sony RX 10 IV (plus RX 100 VII) as travel camera instead of my M-system. I like it a lot to have 1 camera with a great (IQ) lens and wide focal range at hand without swapping lenses and other accessory.
Also packing was a lot easier and no need to contemplate which lens to take and which to leave back home. Camera, flash, spare batteries, mini tripod and polarizer in a small massenger bag, stowed with tablet and other stuff in my standard backpack as carry-on item. So far I am happy with the performance of the 1" sensor as it meeets my needs...
Next trip by plane will be to Portugal in July, again with small travel package for more in-depth testing.
In fall, I will be travelling by car and will take M-system in addition to find out what I like better in the end.
As of today, I might just hang on to what I have at this time and use M for local stuff and the Sonys on tour.
For now I am undecided about what to do with my M-gear; keep or sell it.
One can still use the first four lenses on an RF-S camera with adaptor.
The M6II should be compared to the R10, not the R7. Where I live they are roughly the same price (976 Euros vs 1099 Euros (adaptor included) body only. If you find the M6II more attractive than the R10 that is another story.
I believe that Canon will not kill off the M-system, but they will let it die off by making the R-system more attractive. IMO, it is only a matter of time before they release an R50 (an entry level camera) and an RF-S 32 1.4 and an 11-22.
this is wrong
32.5 mpxl with great APSc glass matters
the m6II matters
on the contrary they don’t want it too good, or it will compete with their FF systems
Yeah right - Not
where is the siggy 16, 56? Nowhere to be found
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I'm aware of that fact. But
Why? I'm not willing to go down from 32Mp, and the EF lenses I use with the M6II can handle 32Mp. DR of the M6II is pretty good, not sure if the R10 will match it. I think the R7 will be comparable to the M6II for IQ, the R10 won't.
Having the 18-35mm Art I could go by without the 11-22mm, but there's no fun in shooting crop cameras without that 32mm f/1.4.
The problem is the RF 35mm f/1.8 IS stm is one of the very few compact, relatively affordable, full frame lenses to lure in customers coming from crop into full frame. A 32mm isn't gonna help with that strategy, as that lens will blow the full frame lens out of the water on a crop sensor. Killing M is basically killing the 32mm, bringing us back to the middle ages where Canon only gave the option for a budget 50mm or a crazy expensive f/1.2 L. The nasty 50mm gap is back again. RIP 32mm. We will remember you as the only Canon compact and affordable yet well performing 50mm field of view lens......
this is exactly right
and the reason I bought an m6II with 32 is because canon would never make an affordable 50 fov sharp wide open lens that was sharp across the frame - you had to stop down to f2.8
With m, canon never had to worry about taking away from their FF objectives. Releasing an RF 32 f1.4 s would be an issue for them
As for now, one of the main reasons to stay with M is its having the trio of 22, 32, and 11-22. But what would most of us do when Canon reproduces those in RFS mount? And what if Canon releases a compact RFS body?
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If Canon does not release a higher-end successor to M, and if they release an APS-C R body that is truly compact and more capable than M6II (I care most about pixel count and low light ability), and with these lenses in RF-S, I will certainly be tempted. Especially since I have R lenses already, and they would work on such a body.
That is a lot of ifs, and I'm very happy with my M6II.
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Apply for a second mortgage to cover this GAS madness?
What a good idea! At least I have some time until Canon meets all the requirements. Until then, let's enjoy what we have in our hands.
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In my opinion, Canon has not made M series to replace APSC Rebels. Now they are about to truly replace them with RFS bodies. So to my eyes M system has been playing another role in another segment. Let's see what Canon would do for the area. Would they continue M for the compact system or use RFS for all?
I am enjoying my M system very much and will do, but I have to say there are some wants.
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That's never. I just explained to you why Canon will never port over the 32mm f/1.4 to the RF mount. Canon doesn't want a concurrent being stronger (on crop) than the RF 35mm f/1.8 IS stm in the RF line up, as such a lens will keep crop shooters from upgrading to full frame, whereas the 35mm f/1.8 IS stm makes that upgrade even more attractive.
Look, for the 11-22mm it's another story, that might happen.
But for a sigma RF-s 56mm f/1.4 it's the same story, as that one will compete too strong on crop with the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. When Sigma brings out a lens like that for RF-s it will receive the same treatment as the Samyang RF 85mm f/1.4, Sigma knows this, so they won't even try. (Luckily my 50mm Art will do, and I've sold the ef-m 56mm f/1.4. )
Well, there's also the RF 16mm f/2.8 stm, and if you're getting the scheme you know how about the likelihood of a Sigma RF-s 16mm f/1.4. Absolute zero. The RF lens will be fine on crop, however, it's two full stops darker, so Canon is protecting a full frame RF 24mm f/2.0 here the didn't even develop yet.....
You're left with RF full frame primes, still having slow stm AF, having darker apertures and performing worse on crop than the primes available ef-m, and, it this won't be temporarily, it will stay that bad until you pay the big bucks to go full frame.
It's Canon. We've seen these games before. Canon wants to have gaps between consumer and pro lenses. And Canon hates options like the Samyang RF 85mm f/1.4, Sigma ef-m 56mm f/1.4, Sigma 50&85&105mm f/1.4 Art without AF problems. For the R6II and R5II Canon might even remove the EF AF protocol from these cameras. Canon will do everything they can to let you pay the price of the monopoly RF lenses. Nothing wrong with that, but factor in those prices when going RF mount, even if it's just RF-s for now.
Your point is one of my worries for RFS and one of my reliefs for EFM. Canon has never produced EF-S 30/32/35 1.4. Not even 50 1.4 II. The same reason might also be true with RF-S 15mm because of RF 16 f/2.8 and RF-S 50/56mm because of RF 50mm 1.8. If it is the case, RFS bodies are only for backups or supplements for RF body users. The possible, best RFS lens would be 17-55 f/2.8, and that's it. No compelling primes.
Right. The fact that the RF mount is closed only to Canon is so discouraging those who are eager to see another solution when Canon does not want to meet their needs.
Let's see if Canon would cripple RFS bodies on purpose by just giving mediocre RFS lenses alone just as they did for EFS and EFM bodies. To be honest with you, it looks very likely.
EFM 32mm and 11-22mm, which I love so much, are exceptional.
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If it's sad and nasty enough, it's probably true. ;-)
Canon didn't discontinue these lenses so far, and Canon might do an M6III over 4 or 5 years of so, when the R7II will get a newer sensor.
I don't see how Canon is gonna port over all the M50 and M200 buyers to the RF mount. When it has to generate profit it would become just a little bit too low end maybe to pair with the RF mount. It might simply survive long enough because of the low prices and low production costs to stay alive until 32Mp sensors will become available again for lower priced cameras, and the 32mm is crippled enough with 24Mp only until then to be allowed next to RF.
EF-s is dead, no more lenses are being produced, R7 kills it almost, and the R10 does the final killing.
M isn't dead yet.
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I have been simplifing my setup, sold X-T1 and EOS RP and bought M6ii and 18-150, I now have the entire EF-M lens line up in production because there is nothing else from anyone comparative to M6ii in price/size/performance.
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